Weigh-in on aliens

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

It seems your stuck on a physical ET. What about a non-physical ET? It seems like you are basing intelligence on the notion there is a learning curve associated with it, that something has less intelligent has to precede something more intelligent. Yes, here on Earth this is true; some would call it evolution. How can we conclude that intelligent life doesn't just pop into existence without a evolutionary timeline?

Some of the oldest known objects in the Universe embody unexplainable phenomenon. Take for example quasars at the edges of the observable universe. If Hubble's law is correct, the angular motion of these objects is several times the speed of light which defies the laws of physics as we humans understand them. Okay, a quasar is a physical thing, but something created a quasar, and before quasars there wasn't a whole lot of physical stuff to create anything. So, "what" intelligence did this? Sure, we can say God did it, but honestly "God" is often used as an excuse to explain lots of things we humans can't explain. Again, this isn't a statement about theology, or atheism, or religioin, but one of pure intelligence.

Bottom line...we're not thinking big enough. I think @Terpene hit it on the head...'we're just not that intelligent'.

I am stuck on physical beings because that is what supposedly visits us in physical spacecraft. Four foot beings with large heads. Of course large skulls to contain the large brains they must have. Which is BS thinking because Einstein and Isaac Newton had normal sized heads but just able to use parts of their brains more effectively than we did. That's a human way of thinking.
We could be visited right now by superior intelligence able to seem invisible by bending light waves around themselves. If they are able to travel the Universe they are obviously more technologically advanced than us. If they don't want to be seen they probably wouldn't be.

There could be amoeba-sized intelligence able to travel star to star simply. It could be part of their makeup and abilities and an every day type of thing. Of course the possibilities are endless.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

It seems your stuck on a physical ET. What about a non-physical ET? It seems like you are basing intelligence on the notion there is a learning curve associated with it, that something has less intelligent has to precede something more intelligent. Yes, here on Earth this is true; some would call it evolution. How can we conclude that intelligent life doesn't just pop into existence without a evolutionary timeline?

Some of the oldest known objects in the Universe embody unexplainable phenomenon. Take for example quasars at the edges of the observable universe. If Hubble's law is correct, the angular motion of these objects is several times the speed of light which defies the laws of physics as we humans understand them. Okay, a quasar is a physical thing, but something created a quasar, and before quasars there wasn't a whole lot of physical stuff to create anything. So, "what" intelligence did this? Sure, we can say God did it, but honestly "God" is often used as an excuse to explain lots of things we humans can't explain. Again, this isn't a statement about theology, or atheism, or religioin, but one of pure intelligence.

Bottom line...we're not thinking big enough. I think @Terpene hit it on the head...'we're just not that intelligent'.

I am stuck on physical beings because that is what supposedly visits us in physical spacecraft. Four foot beings with large heads. Of course large skulls to contain the large brains they must have. Which is BS thinking because Einstein and Isaac Newton had normal sized heads but just able to use parts of their brains more effectively than we did. That's a human way of thinking.
We could be visited right now by superior intelligence able to seem invisible by bending light waves around themselves. If they are able to travel the Universe they are obviously more technologically advanced than us. If they don't want to be seen they probably wouldn't be.

There could be amoeba-sized intelligence able to travel star to star simply. It could be part of their makeup and abilities and an every day type of thing. Of course the possibilities are endless.

So then you're agreeing with me? Because, this is exactly what I have been saying since my OP. I thought you were taking exception to the premise(s) I was laying out.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Bisecting the line reminded me of an example of how linear things work. Imagine a chair exactly ten feet from a wall. How many moves will it take for the chair to reach the wall if you move it exactly half way every time?

Post Script: I posed this question to a friends wife once many years ago. She came back about ten minutes later and said, "Four." I still laugh when I think about that...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

LOL!!!

Answer - Infinity!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think aliens exist, they are here, they look like us but they ain't us.

And while most people think I'm talking about Gingers (they have no souls) I'm actually talking about space aliens.

We just don't know enough yet to figure it out.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

From an Earth-dweller perspective, I think we humans are way out in left field if we're looking for ET in any sort of a form which we humans recognize.

We're not looking for ET in that capacity. The conversation for sometime has been centered around the theory of ET being ultra-terrestrial in nature.

It's been discussed for some time that ET is most likely inter-dimensional.

Hal Puthoff wrote an interesting white paper on the topic.

thejournalofcosmology.com...

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk


So then you're agreeing with me? Because, this is exactly what I have been saying since my OP. I thought you were taking exception to the premise(s) I was laying out.

I'm talking about two separate approaches I guess. The stereotypical "grey" humanoid type of being in a UFO visiting Earth and abducting people. Likely (in my belief) would be coming from a planet where it would progressively grow more intelligent as time went on. I mean even as humans we've become more intelligent over time. We didn't *POOF* become intelligent the next day. Then there's the possibility that intelligence can be a completely different looking than anything humanoid, which I believe. Intelligence growing in bacteria etc. Who knows.

Nvm