Protests erupt in Paris after police shoot killing teen during traffic stop

a reply to: SprocketUK

I prosecute Crims here. That sort of thing tends to be...kinda, illegal?

Cops killing traffic offenders? Really?

Interested to know what category of Crims it's ok by you to be shot dead.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2


Well none really I am against the idea of the death penalty, but...and it is a big but, I am sick of a section of society that is left alone to do whatever they like because stupid people will riot if they are stopped.

I work in motor insurance and regularly have to deal with people suffering the fallout of little sh1ts like this stealing their cars, or crashing into them and running away.

I just dont understand why these scumbags are allowed to flout the very same laws everyone else has to live by.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Well, I used to do a lot of PI claims against insured drivers.

But they could still claim.

As for riots, the Trumpton ones, yeh, they were bad:

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a reply to: Oldcarpy2


HMHB ace band haha, I worked in PI too, though they can only claim against insured drivers and, as you no doubt know the claim never ever covers all a person loses.
Like their car gets written off, if theres no TP insurer then they lose their excess, the ncd gets squashed and their premium rises and they still have to try and buy the same car for about a grand less than they paid for their old one.

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: tanstaafl

here is my original response, please explain to me how you could not see that as a simple yes and no question, or even as you stated, I was suggesting you said anything prior to me asking or moving the goalposts

originally posted by: UpThenDown
a reply to: tanstaafl

and does said criminal offense warrant the death penalty?

police are employed to arrest and then put perps in front of judge and jury, they are not employed to be said judge and jury

perhaps it is you that does not understand the nuance of language

Exactly what I said. This cop has appointed himself judge, jury, and executioner. A clear sign he didn't understand well his position based on vague interpretations of the laws that a number of cops seem to ignore completely.

What is known, if anyone has travelled or lived in the southern European countries, is that people are not used to these behaviours. The number of police shootings and killings is very low in comparison to the US. But the citizens are very revengeful. It means sometime in the future they most certainly have an attempt against the cop even if he goes to jail for 20 years. I think you understand what I am talking about.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Yeah, but I'm talking about catastrophic injury claims and the MIB?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Dont think they have a MIB in France do they?

Either way, far better not to let gits like this run around ruining lives anyway isnt it?

latest breaking is from Marseilles, where rioters have emptied a weapons arsenal (no details yet). A 'protester' has been arrested with one of those weapons.

So while you all are still debating who has more blame and who has done more wrong between the cop and the boy... what about the rioters (lots of teenagers) who are now in the streets armed with guns instead of stones and fireworks?

a reply to: SprocketUK

Maybe, but no excuse for murder happy cops for traffic offences.

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2
latest breaking is from Marseilles, where rioters have emptied a weapons arsenal (no details yet). A 'protester' has been arrested with one of those weapons.

So while you all are still debating who has more blame and who has done more wrong between the cop and the boy... what about the rioters (lots of teenagers) who are now in the streets armed with guns instead of stones and fireworks?

Failure of the system at all levels.
As I said earlier, these behaviours are not tolerated in southern european countries. People will seek revenge not only for the boy who was killed but for a range of things.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Was that boy armed?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Quite but as I stated earlier, it didnt look to me like straight up murder, it looked like, as I said, something that could be explained away by a lawyer.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Not by this one, mate?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

And you are entitled to your opinion, naturally, I just cant see it in the same terms as some of those american cop videos where they put half a mag into some kid cos they are just scared.

This sort of thing wouldnt have happened if there were like I said, enough cops to park a van in front of him and then drag him out of the car.
That though might mean Macron couldnt bathe in champagne every night or something, so we are left with few enough cops top deal with this that they end up using too much force

a reply to: SprocketUK

www.lemonde.fr...

Police officer charged with voluntary homicide in French teen's killing

A march paying tribute to Nahel M., a 17-year-old shot dead by police earlier this week, ended in a stand-off between law enforcement and demonstrators on Thursday. New violence was expected overnight.

a reply to: AlienBorg


Thanks for sharing that, I note that teh police unions are also up in arms now mostly against Macron...seems theres no one the bloke hasnt turned into an enemy in France now.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Was that boy armed?

As far as I can tell from the available info, no he was not.
What the cop says to him "I'm going to put a bullet in your head", is not something that cops scream around just like that over here. I don't know his motives, the investigation will tell.... but I'm sure he will be sentenced for murder.
Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for the boy and his family, this shouldn't have happened.

The first protests were sincere, the 'white march' was sincere as well... until the boys mother got on top on that car, cheering like a superstar (not like a grieving mother!!!!) and started igniting things.

The riots we have now? For most who participate in them, it got nothing to do with a boy who was shot by a cop.
Burning down police stations, beating up every cop you come across, setting fire to city halls and schools, burning banks and plunder stores,.... That is not the right reaction to this

and btw, if that boy was armed? the outcome would have been the same

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I agree with all of that.

Keep safe.

More protests and rioting at the moment we speak in the entire country. There is talk about curfews but who is going to obey and stay at home? Unless the curfew is enforced by the army.

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2

The riots we have now? For most who participate in them, it got nothing to do with a boy who was shot by a cop.
Burning down police stations, beating up every cop you come across, setting fire to city halls and schools, burning banks and plunder stores,.... That is not the right reaction

Please take note that Czech Rep and Slovenia at this moment in time are not engulfed in flames. Going after an empire overseas will come back to haunt you guys and gals at some point. Especially if you do it badly and I do consider the Francophone Empires as an example of how to do it very badly indeed