Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by ch1le
First off... Thanks for the interesting reading, ive been following the entire thread with great intrest.

dang, the upper post just gives me the creeps, really, i get shudders from pics of greys, they just freak me out, i feel bad when i see a pic of them.
Maybe you, Sleeper, know the reason for that? Seems like something subliminal to me. As for abductions, well, i really cant distinguish a dream and an abduction, i have had a huuuge fear of e.t since i was a little boy, mby 5 or so years old. Most nights i look into the sky with fear, and at many nights i wake up in the middle of the night not remembering anything, sweating like hell and the first thing i do is i look at the sky, thinking... alien...

im nuts

You may have had contact with drones they are unpleasant they do a job and kick you out the door when they are through with you. But usually they only treat adults that way.

I haven’t had any bad experiences while I was young, I played with others my age inside the ship, sometimes it was parked above earth other times it flew around the solar system and we got to look out thought the portholes.

I hear many stories where people like you describe abductions at an early age and being afraid---many visits are for medical procedures----ET doesn’t use anesthesia so that may explain the fear.

We humans are afraid of a lot of things including life itself----you can only imagine when faced with something extraterrestrial---with brains that are not wired for that kind of experience.

If you are nuts then we all are. No point fearing ET they have your best interest in mind----even the drones can't hurt you.

well sleeper, atleast this thread is popular - if anything youve achived a post that would otherwise be condemed as a trollish attempt to rake up points on other forums im part of - not saying that was the intention here or anything...

All religions and beliefs are fables created by ET as a component of life on earth and millions of other planets like earth.

And where did the ET get the idea for these beliefs and fables? Did they just conjure them out of thin air, or do they have some connection with the past events of our world?

Good and evil are illusions and nothing more than programs running on this computer we call earth. However, there are rewards and consequences on our actions based on that program----murder, rape and a host of other criminal activity will not get you brownie points on the other side.

You sound as if you're saying we pretty much have no free will and have already signed up for exactly what we're getting on this plane of existence. Why then should we be punished or rewarded for anything we do here? Are the rewards and consequences a part of what we signed up for as well?

None of that stuff is true but most will not be allowed to know it until they die---and get their evaluation.

Again, evaluated by who? Evaluated by people who "signed up" to be evaluators for things we have no control over?

Cancer like everything on earth is by design----I don’t think anyone signs up for it---but you never know.

Again, you go on later to say:

You know exactly what you are signing up for----most of the time it is 100% your call.

So then we do sign up for terminal illnesses? I hate to nit pick your posts like this but what else can you expect when you put so much stuff out there.

Jesus was not an ET, nor a man; he is a fable, a well crafted fable by ET.

So Jesus wasn't even a man who ascended the physical realm and reconnected with pure spirit through compassion (as did many others such as Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed), he was just another fable huh? These ETs sure like making stuff up, I'd be careful what they tell you

You will be one of the judges on the panel----the harshest judges on the panel----and a throw the book at you kind of judge----once you cross over your flaws will glow like hot coals----

Again, how can we be judged for predetermined illusions? At what point did we go from pure beings to having flaws to correct? Was that at the signing of the contract to be thrown into this world? Maybe that's where the idea of Satan comes from.

and it is your responsibility to correct those flaws----no one else can do it for you.

You say it's our responsibilty to correct these flaw, no one else can do it for us, then you say:

There is no old bearded man running the whole show, or a mother earth---and there is no hell----but some of us will have to put ourselves into hellish predicaments to remove our flaws---if we don’t do it voluntarily it will be forced up on us----

So now it will be forced up on us? HUGE contradiction.

Originally posted by fallen_sentient

All religions and beliefs are fables created by ET as a component of life on earth and millions of other planets like earth.

And where did the ET get the idea for these beliefs and fables? Did they just conjure them out of thin air, or do they have some connection with the past events of our world?

ET has been around for billions of years they haven’t just fallen off the turnip truck---they probably know a few more things then we do.

Good and evil are illusions and nothing more than programs running on this computer we call earth. However, there are rewards and consequences on our actions based on that program----murder, rape and a host of other criminal activity will not get you brownie points on the other side.

You sound as if you're saying we pretty much have no free will and have already signed up for exactly what we're getting on this plane of existence. Why then should we be punished or rewarded for anything we do here? Are the rewards and consequences a part of what we signed up for as well?

Not all of us are here by choice like I stated in my post that you conveniently ignored. When you sign up to improve yourself for whatever reason----you sign up for the whole ball of wax----otherwise where is the challenge? If you come down here and become a bum, a criminal or what have you then there are consequences.

None of that stuff is true but most will not be allowed to know it until they die---and get their evaluation.

Again, evaluated by who? Evaluated by people who "signed up" to be evaluators for things we have no control over?

When you are in school don’t you do self evaluations---along with teacher evaluations, and parent evaluations? Between lives there are evaluations by a number of entities that know you, and help you.

Cancer like everything on earth is by design----I don’t think anyone signs up for it---but you never know.

Again, you go on later to say:

You know exactly what you are signing up for----most of the time it is 100% your call.

So then we do sign up for terminal illnesses? I hate to nit pick your posts like this but what else can you expect when you put so much stuff out there.

Why do we sky dive, race cars, swim near sharks and do many other stupid things that can and do get us killed or injured? -----for the challenge perhaps

Terminal illnesses is a huge challenge----assuming some one pick that----maybe its punishment for a past life infraction

Jesus was not an ET, nor a man; he is a fable, a well crafted fable by ET.

So Jesus wasn't even a man who ascended the physical realm and reconnected with pure spirit through compassion (as did many others such as Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed), he was just another fable huh? These ETs sure like making stuff up, I'd be careful what they tell you

Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed were real people----Jesus wasn’t---ETs didn’t make that up its simple and basic history.

Even the most harden criminals have compassion, but compassion alone will not clear you of your infraction with the law.

You will be one of the judges on the panel----the harshest judges on the panel----and a throw the book at you kind of judge----once you cross over your flaws will glow like hot coals----

Again, how can we be judged for predetermined illusions? At what point did we go from pure beings to having flaws to correct? Was that at the signing of the contract to be thrown into this world? Maybe that's where the idea of Satan comes from.

Because most souls while on earth don’t know they are illusions---we put up with speed traps and sobriety check points because even good people will break the law if they get the chance to do so.

You can often get away with things on earth but nothing slips by ET and they will point out your shenanigans.

and it is your responsibility to correct those flaws----no one else can do it for you.

You say it's our responsibilty to correct these flaw, no one else can do it for us, then you say:

There is no old bearded man running the whole show, or a mother earth---and there is no hell----but some of us will have to put ourselves into hellish predicaments to remove our flaws---if we don’t do it voluntarily it will be forced up on us----

So now it will be forced up on us? HUGE contradiction.

It will be forced up on us by ET, not a bearded old man with an attitude and a smote inclination.

As a comparison to what you label a contradiction, take the military, most people would never complete military basic training if it were up to them----many are forced through it kicking and screaming---yet now days everyone in the military volunteered to go through basic training.

Most are glad that they weren’t let off the hook---and are proud of their accomplishment----that they needed persuasive encouragement to get through----for their benefit.

Greetings Sleeper,
I'm not sure whether I believe everything in your story, but I just have to say that most of what you say I agree with 100%.
If this is a hoax you've done a hell of a great job!
I've had a few encounters with UFO's, one of which was olive drab with USAF painted with white on the side (happened in northern Michigan).
I don't have any questions, just wanted to give you a pat on the back.

Originally posted by Beer_Guy
Greetings Sleeper,
I'm not sure whether I believe everything in your story, but I just have to say that most of what you say I agree with 100%.
If this is a hoax you've done a hell of a great job!
I've had a few encounters with UFO's, one of which was olive drab with USAF painted with white on the side (happened in northern Michigan).
I don't have any questions, just wanted to give you a pat on the back.

Greetings Beer_Guy

Thanks!

Sounds like the UFO you experienced was an air force Boeing AWACS, or did I misunderstand your comment about UFOs?

I would imagine the AWACS’ pick up many unidentified flying objects while they scan the skies for possible hostile aircraft---from both terrestrial and extraterrestrial origins.

No, it was an actual saucer hovering over the treetops. It was definately owned by the Air Force. I saw it while I was deer hunting. Scared the s**t out of me for a short time.

Thanks for your concern sleeper, I appreciate it.

I do have a question. Do the ETs constantly 'browse' or 'download' our Internet for study? Or do they already know everything on earth in an instant through some sort of 'consciousness/spiritual download' in a sense? Do the ETs ever get online and chat?

Also, earlier you stated that SETI was in essence a waste of time since it can't pick up the 'high tech' signals the ETs use due to our primitive state of technology. But what about picking up signals from other primitives/like technology civilizations? Since you stated there were millions upon millions in our galaxy alone.

I brought up Salvia Divinorum before as from what I have heard, the origins of the plant are really unknown, the species was *never* before discovered except for a very small pocket of growth. Many who have partaken of the Herb state they experience interdimensional travel and travel throughout the universe at mind boggling speeds. Experiencing Aliens worlds, walking amongst alien beings, etc. Many times they are 'regarded' but most of the aliens seem indifferent or not concerned with their presence and folks are usually 'noticed' but ignored when visiting these other realms/planets. Thats why I asked your take on it. Perhaps you can ask the ETc about Salvia Divinorum? It has been theorized that the plants were genetically created by ETs and placed here as a communication tool. There is no Lethal Dose possibility, and it has so many safe guards in place it almost seems like it is an advanced software program in many respects. Like the holodeck with all safeties enabled.

AGain I thank you for all you have contributed.

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Originally posted by SirDomino


I brought up Salvia Divinorum before as from what I have heard, the origins of the plant are really unknown, the species was *never* before discovered except for a very small pocket of growth. Many who have partaken of the Herb state they experience interdimensional travel and travel throughout the universe at mind boggling speeds. Experiencing Aliens worlds, walking amongst alien beings, etc. Many times they are 'regarded' but most of the aliens seem indifferent or not concerned with their presence and folks are usually 'noticed' but ignored when visiting these other realms/planets. Thats why I asked your take on it. Perhaps you can ask the ETc about Salvia Divinorum? It has been theorized that the plants were genetically created by ETs and placed here as a communication tool. There is no Lethal Dose possibility, and it has so many safe guards in place it almost seems like it is an advanced software program in many respects. Like the holodeck with all safeties enabled.

I have also heard about salvia. Oh and for the mods who think this is a drug, this is a COMPLETELY legal herb you can buy on the internet. I have always wanted to try this but im too paranoid

Originally posted by noslenwerd

Originally posted by SirDomino


I brought up Salvia Divinorum before as from what I have heard, the origins of the plant are really unknown, the species was *never* before discovered except for a very small pocket of growth. Many who have partaken of the Herb state they experience interdimensional travel and travel throughout the universe at mind boggling speeds. Experiencing Aliens worlds, walking amongst alien beings, etc. Many times they are 'regarded' but most of the aliens seem indifferent or not concerned with their presence and folks are usually 'noticed' but ignored when visiting these other realms/planets. Thats why I asked your take on it. Perhaps you can ask the ETc about Salvia Divinorum? It has been theorized that the plants were genetically created by ETs and placed here as a communication tool. There is no Lethal Dose possibility, and it has so many safe guards in place it almost seems like it is an advanced software program in many respects. Like the holodeck with all safeties enabled.

I have also heard about salvia. Oh and for the mods who think this is a drug, this is a COMPLETELY legal herb you can buy on the internet. I have always wanted to try this but im too paranoid

It's legality doesn't make it not a drug. It's a psychoactive hallucigen. Also, under Louisiana act No. 159 makes it illegal to sell the plant for the purpose of human consumpation in Louisiana. Also, Australia has officially banned the plant in 2002. The US house of representatives has also been trying to place it as a controlled substance.

Originally posted by SirDomino
Thanks for your concern sleeper, I appreciate it.

I do have a question. Do the ETs constantly 'browse' or 'download' our Internet for study? Or do they already know everything on earth in an instant through some sort of 'consciousness/spiritual download' in a sense? Do the ETs ever get online and chat?

The idea of prayer came from ET. Essentially prayer is a form of communication with them. Our thoughts have frequencies like radio transmissions but the frequencies are to high to be picked up by human equipment----ET picks them up instantly. Six billion plus brains on earth---and all have their own unique frequency---like finger prints.

ETs do get on line and chat----most humans don’t know about ET and that they can communicate directly with ET so ET uses the conventional means of communication---incognito---prayer no matter which god it’s directed to goes to ET----sometimes ET responses to those requests.

Also, earlier you stated that SETI was in essence a waste of time since it can't pick up the 'high tech' signals the ETs use due to our primitive state of technology. But what about picking up signals from other primitives/like technology civilizations? Since you stated there were millions upon millions in our galaxy alone.

There is no need for the primitives to communicate with each other----for one the distance will never be traversed and physical contact completely out of the question.

Eventually people on earth will build cities on many of the moons and planets in the solar system but the human race will never leave this solar system----alive

Many people alive today will move on to other more advanced planets and solar systems and enjoy contact with a multitude of other life forms-----things that will boggle the mind even once the human blinders are removed.

Others will return to this planet or other cities that get built in the next thousand years---so either way it will be a fun time for most---but not everyone.

I brought up Salvia Divinorum before as from what I have heard, the origins of the plant are really unknown, the species was *never* before discovered except for a very small pocket of growth. Many who have partaken of the Herb state they experience interdimensional travel and travel throughout the universe at mind boggling speeds. Experiencing Aliens worlds, walking amongst alien beings, etc. Many times they are 'regarded' but most of the aliens seem indifferent or not concerned with their presence and folks are usually 'noticed' but ignored when visiting these other realms/planets. Thats why I asked your take on it. Perhaps you can ask the ETc about Salvia Divinorum? It has been theorized that the plants were genetically created by ETs and placed here as a communication tool. There is no Lethal Dose possibility, and it has so many safe guards in place it almost seems like it is an advanced software program in many respects. Like the holodeck with all safeties enabled.

ET can take anyone to any place in the galaxy and the universe if they want to---and they do.

The human body never leaves the solar system, when ET takes people out of this solar system the body remains in a container usually off planet, and the soul is the only thing that travels.

There are many synthetic and organic drugs that will do many things but taking the soul out of the solar system is a stretch.

However, being under the influence of drugs does make it easier to be in the presence of ETs----but ET can do that without drugs

I am not allowed to take drugs.

sleeper - in you last post you wrote a heck of allot of Fiction. If it's not fiction, where are you getting this information?

Those are pretty grand claims and I imagine you'll want to share this proof or evidence to support everything you write is true. Can you post the comprehensive evidence here in this forum so we can review this proof/evidence for ourselves? If you can't supply this, then I will presume it is fiction and based on unfounded speculation bourne of wishful thinking.

There's nothing wrong with Fiction or curious imagination, but writing Fiction as Factual information seriously damages the already battered core of UFO/Alien foundation. Please post some facts and or proof to support your statements.

Originally posted by nullster
sleeper - in you last post you wrote a heck of allot of Fiction. If it's not fiction, where are you getting this information?

I don’t write fiction----I get my information from the horses mouth---ET

Those are pretty grand claims and I imagine you'll want to share this proof or evidence to support everything you write is true. Can you post the comprehensive evidence here in this forum so we can review this proof/evidence for ourselves? If you can't supply this, then I will presume it is fiction and based on unfounded speculation bourne of wishful thinking.

I want to share the proof but the proof is not mine to give----it’s patented and belongs to ET, I have asked----they said no---so you are free to ask them---maybe they will give it to you.

You can presume what I write is fiction---no law against that

I don’t speculate or do wishful thinking, I write what I have experienced and seen with my own eyes.

There's nothing wrong with Fiction or curious imagination, but writing Fiction as Factual information seriously damages the already battered core of UFO/Alien foundation. Please post some facts and or proof to support your statements.

There is something wrong about writing fiction and claiming it’s the truth----I wish people would stop doing that---but if they did much of what’s on the internet and written in books would have to be discarded.

No one has extraterrestrial proof because ET hasn’t given it to anyone----ET doesn’t want the proof out there----and until then there will be no proof.

Only factual stories like mine

Sometimes bits and pieces of truth are found in fiction, objects like the "water container" that is used for "space travel". It might not be a water container and it might not be space travel.

sleeper - I guess if people are allowed to post unverifiable and unproven statements like yours, this forum is hopeless.

But between you and I, we know my aliens are the superior aliens. And they have ok'd you to disclose all your proof to this board by tomorrow.
Now you believe me right? Cool. Can't wait

What I wanted to say in my previous post is something like:

The metaphor: in science fiction, a glass tube filled with water is used for cushioning the body during acceleration phases of space travel. The water rises turbulently, with bubbles of air.

The reality: a volume of space (not exactly an object, because it is not physical but imposed on our reality) is filled with water (but it is not water, because it is light as air and at the same time thick impeding intentional movement). Then it goes all black, filled with little points of light. Next thing, you arrive on your destination: some kind of situation, or scene. At the end, you are evaluated.

Of course all is unsubstantiated: think of the way a prison is built. The purpose of a prison is to cut off communication with the outside world.

Originally posted by sleeper
I don’t write fiction----I get my information from the horses mouth---ET

Hey Sleeper, good to see you back again. You were quiet for a while there.

Anyhooo, just wanted to get your opinion on recent developments since last we chatted. What is your take on the move by numerous governments jockeying to be ambassadors to ET, i.e. Canada and the UN.

Also, how about this recent jump in space travel technology? Mars in 3 hours and all that? Sort of, oh look! We had this idea since the 50's, maybe it would be a good design for space travel. Like, they have been probably using it for years and just want to make it public.

Any and all thoughts appreciated as usual.

The prison is made of materials we can't even imagine, of meta-machinery that works on the principle that the least information possible is transmitted across the boundary with our world. The inner causality of the machinery is orthogonal to our world, there is no direct effect (therefore, absolutely no causal proof). Action is carried out through a kind of non-causal resonance that induces biases of interpretation as a side-effect (the biases are a kind of subjective proof, and can be at times unintended by "them"). The stronger the bias, the closer we are to the boundary.

The meta-machinery is put together by the means of something whose closest concept we would call "interpretation". Our powers of interpretation are just an infinitely weaker version than the higher kinds. And most of our interpretation is not our own, it comes about by resonance with objects that happen to be close, in mindspace.

I understand that sleeper tells that prayer comes from "them". But I disagree that it is intended by them. In some sense, all religions are cargo cults, because we are just imitating "their" powers of interpretation. I think that in the human form we have no hope (and no use, really) for these powers. But religions are there, as part of the structure of the machinery, a kind of structure that injects information from time to time to maintain causal pressure. The religiousness of religion is just one more side-effect.

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy

Anyhooo, just wanted to get your opinion on recent developments since last we chatted. What is your take on the move by numerous governments jockeying to be ambassadors to ET, i.e. Canada and the UN.

Hi howmuch,

Since ET has always been here they have no need of ambassadors. People are frustrated because many suspect that something is going on and their governments are not addressing the ET issue.

Obviously the UN which sees itself as the world representative would throw their hat in the ring, and Canada needing to show the world that it is a progressive country would do so.

But the leaders are only placating certain citizens and doing some grandstanding in the process---I doubt that they are serious---or that they are that naïve to think that ET hasn’t landed because they are confused on who to approach.

Also, how about this recent jump in space travel technology? Mars in 3 hours and all that? Sort of, oh look! We had this idea since the 50's, maybe it would be a good design for space travel. Like, they have been probably using it for years and just want to make it public.

There is no such thing as new technology, everything already exist somewhere. There are people and places on earth that don’t have cellular phones and computers----fewer and fewer places. ET ships exist and some day that magic technology will be just another part of every day things like former magic stuff---electricity, the phone, radio, flight, and sliced bread.

The military is playing with some flying machines now that would boggle the minds of everyone on this planet if they knew about them----ET is releasing fantastic toys at a rapid rate into the hands of certain governments, only slowing down to give us time to incorporate their magic into our reality.

Everything we have today is magic, the airplane, computer, electricity life itself ----yet because people are use to those things they don’t see them for what they are----things of the supernatural world

Originally posted by sleeper
Everything we have today is magic, the airplane, computer, electricity life itself ----yet because people are use to those things they don’t see them for what they are----things of the supernatural world

Well to quote good old Arthur C. Clarke:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

Yes, the technology of today would amaze someone from 20 years ago, never mind 100 years ago. I am looking forward to seeing these technologies emerge into the world.

Did I ever ask you about your take on Planet X, www.zetatalk.com and all that jazz? Fear-mongering, or something we should be genuinely concerned about?