Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by w1kdtr1p
You really think that 'the private sector' is going to be any more forthcoming about ET and help bring humans forward in life?

I’m not talking about disclosure----which is not up to the government (public sector) or the private sector. ETs are the only ones that can disclose their reality to the world.

I’m not going to embark on private verses public, that’s a discussion for other threads.

1. ET's introducing themselves to a few people and then denying these people any ability to convince others of actual truth is pretty damned cruel of them, I think. But they don't seem to give a damn, and that ticks me off.


2. Assuming that any moment of scientific creativity is attributable to ET aliens is an insult.
Where did Fermi and Hahn and Meitner get their ideas? By having lots of background knowledge and thinking about it.

It's quite true that plopping down a stealth bomber to an aborigine would be futile, as would ET leaving us the keys to "NCC 1701". However, a decent, public interaction between scientists here, and some of their people would be very profitable and enlightening for us. Because of the large knowledge gap between us and them it wouldn't be "spoon feeding" at all---there would still have to be huge efforts in human-directed science to integrate new things in our own language.

What we (as in say scientists from major universities) could use?
Some ideas on an experiment which shows us a key physical principle that we aren't aware of now. We could then run with that. Right now, we appear to understand the basic physics of our everyday world which is feasibly engineerable extremely well. There doesn't seem to be any obvious major loophole. We can describe all physical objects we see on Earth damn well, at least w.r.t. basic science. There are anomalies still unexplained, but they are exotic things in observational cosmology towards the beginning of the universe, or at ultra high energies in particle accelerators.

3. I don't think people would be upset if ETs said "it's your world and your future, you will have to make it yourself, but we'll be there to give you a hand, or at least think about it, if you ask nicely." I think that would be great.

And why is the interaction so one-sided? Why can't WE ask them about, oh, their music or literature, or anything about their culture?

The only answer is because they don't want us to know anything, and that's wrong.

Right now, if what you say is true, then we have ETs flying around everywhere, bumping down into a few mysteriously selected people, and otherwise hiding.

If they officially instigated open diplomatic relations, people would "freak" for about 24 hours. Then, they'd get used to it. Really. OK, they'd s'n-word' just a bit more at the Michael Jackson trial.

On the other hand, if people found out for real that these ETs were skulking around with a thousand ships flying around secretly and doing weird thigns to people without asking permission, then yes, humans would sure freak a hell of a lot more. For good reason. Then they'd form an alliance with whichever ETs were the enemies of the ones who were buzzing us.

I have the feeling that either

1) ETs dont' understand human society and feelings at all.

2) they don't give a # about us or any ethical reciprocity.

Sleeper,

Did you mention earlier anything about your children being involved with ET?

Do you have any idea as to whether they have been abducted or contacted by the ET/Aliens?

Can you share some insights regarding consecutive generational abductions?

Originally posted by mbkennel2What we (as in say scientists from major universities) could use?
Some ideas on an experiment which shows us a key physical principle that we aren't aware of now. We could then run with that. Right now, we appear to understand the basic physics of our everyday world which is feasibly engineerable extremely well. There doesn't seem to be any obvious major loophole. We can describe all physical objects we see on Earth damn well, at least w.r.t. basic science. There are anomalies still unexplained, but they are exotic things in observational cosmology towards the beginning of the universe, or at ultra high energies in particle accelerators.

You insist and believe profoundly that scientist in the past used lots of elbow grease to finagle their theories and inventions from the basic elements of this planet-----and I agree it was their efforts and dedication that led them to the answers they so craved and eventually “received”.

But why are you and other scientist not following in their footsteps, doing all the work, pounding your heads against the wall when you inevitably run into that barrier----that fortress----that keeps secrets tightly and stingily from us. Why should ET give you info if they didn’t give info to your predecessors, as you believe and stated in the quote below?

Originally posted by mbkennel2. Assuming that any moment of scientific creativity is attributable to ET aliens is an insult.
Where did Fermi and Hahn and Meitner get their ideas? By having lots of background knowledge and thinking about it.

Originally posted by mbkennelAnd why is the interaction so one-sided? Why can't WE ask them about, oh, their music or literature, or anything about their culture?

How many of us are interested in our children’s music, or the latest fads they are ensnared by? What if a bunch of MIT guys went to one of those villages, where people still live as they did in the stone age----and told them about their taste in music, their literature----or the latest things you discovered in you lab-----I bet they would really be excited.

Originally posted by mbkennelI have the feeling that either

1) ETs dont' understand human society and feelings at all.

2) they don't give a about us or any ethical reciprocity.

ETs know us inside and out, better than we know ourselves-----that’s why the have limited contact with us.

ETs come in many different flavors, some care deeply-----most are indifferent-----it’s a job-----then there are those that plain don’t like us-----why? Have no idea.

Originally posted by w1kdtr1p
Sleeper,
Did you mention earlier anything about your children being involved with ET?

Do you have any idea as to whether they have been abducted or contacted by the ET/Aliens?

Can you share some insights regarding consecutive generational abductions?

My children both of them are part of the program-----but they have no idea or any memories of their contact with ET.

I have several brothers and sisters-----none of them are involved----that I know of----none have shown the least bit of interest in the ET phenomenon.

There is a notable difference between myself and my siblings----we get along very well, yet I see the world differently than they do, I often wonder if I am related to them.

They, as most people, are fixated on this planet and can't imagine the existence of extraterrestrials.

They are absorbed in the 9 to 5 everyday existence that makes up the grand allusion many live out their lives in.

DNA is like a barcode, it identifies our basic equipment package, our location (earth) our manufacture (which ET species) and a lot more.

That is why many people involved with ET go back several generations.

Originally posted by mbkennelI don't think people would be upset if ETs said "it's your world and your future, you will have to make it yourself, but we'll be there to give you a hand, or at least think about it, if you ask nicely." I think that would be great.

People meditate in order to discover a higher awareness in themselves. Millions throughout the ages prayed to their gods for guidance----and favors.

Meditation and prayer is simply telepathic communications with higher beings. People fixate on an object or idea and focus energy to it-----sometimes with supernatural results.

Success usually comes to those most determined to get what they desire.

The fact is there are higher beings among us----they have always been around----in various forms-----spiritual, corporal, and something in-between.

If you ask “nicely” they might give you what you want------after all, they have access to most of the secrets of the universe.

They don't care what religion you are, or if you have no beliefs whatsoever.

I haven't sifted through all of the other posts in this thread yet, so correct me if I say something stupid. Didn't you say you were born and raised in Italy Sleeper???? If so, how were you in the U.S. Army?

Originally posted by Herman
I haven't sifted through all of the other posts in this thread yet, so correct me if I say something stupid. Didn't you say you were born and raised in Italy Sleeper???? If so, how were you in the U.S. Army?

I can answer this. Non-U.S. citizens can join the U.S. Army. I believe the primary factor is to gain quick U.S. citizenship.

People meditate in order to discover a higher awareness in themselves. Millions throughout the ages prayed to their gods for guidance----and favors.

Agreeable.

Meditation and prayer is simply telepathic communications with higher beings. People fixate on an object or idea and focus energy to it-----sometimes with supernatural results.

Wha?...
I guess if you think telepathy is the same as talking to yourself.
Meditation and prayer are very different and you even contradict yourself in the first quote.
Also, can you expand on the phrase "simply telepathic" ???

Success usually comes to those most determined to get what they desire.

Pretty much the way it works. Always has.

The fact is there are higher beings among us----they have always been around----in various forms-----spiritual, corporal, and something in-between.

WHA?!!... Fact! Where?

If you ask “nicely” they might give you what you want------after all, they have access to most of the secrets of the universe.

They.....sheesh.

They don't care what religion you are, or if you have no beliefs whatsoever.

Hmmm. you finaly convinced me.

Originally posted by Herman
I haven't sifted through all of the other posts in this thread yet, so correct me if I say something stupid. Didn't you say you were born and raised in Italy Sleeper???? If so, how were you in the U.S. Army?

I was born in Italy, my parents move to America a few years after WW2 and became citizens. I was a US citizen through them and eligible for the draft----I choose to enlist.

Jaychael,

In this big bad world you have to get your own proof-----no earthling has the authority to hand it out.

I have proof but I can't share it so I look the fool-----still, since I am able to remember many of my experiences I take that as sign that I can speak about some of them. Many know something is going on-----so I tell a few things to validate that there is something going on.

What is proof for me? I have listed some in this tread, I have been in ET ships----most of the time I find myself inside them with no idea how I got there----I leave the same way.

I entered them on military bases (walked in) ----as I have already stated in this thread.

However, I have a clear memory of something like a worm hole opening up in my bedroom wall, and an alien came out of it, we talked for awhile and then it took me into the hole and we were in the ship.

This did not occur from a sleep state----it happened before I went to bed. I was one hundred percent awake and cognizant-----until I entered the ship.

Once in the ship I have patches of memory----with many empty gaps. They took me places away from this planet-----much of the time I was asleep or knocked out.

I talk about what I remember-----they obviously don't want me or others to come back with more detailed accounts-----but just enough to know that there is something big going on in our solar system, and that the galaxy is swarming with civilizations millions of years ahead of us.

They gave me proof----and I never asked for it-----they give proof to thousands of people----most will never admit to it, and many will take what they know to the grave with them. It took me fifty-two years to talk about my involvement.

The proof is not "out there" it's here on this planet-----for thousands, maybe millions of people that have tasted it.

Well I for one am convinced of the existence of extraterrestrials..
as a child I watched a UFO while sitting on the hood of a car with my football coach after a late night game. He was bringing me home after a game and we were driving on a small country road in Georgia when we both saw a object doing amazing maneuvers. after being completely stunned from what we were seeing my coach decided to stop the car in the middle of the road and sit on the hood and watch.I was only about 12 or 13 but remember it like it was yesterday.it moved in the sky like a firefly, back and forth side to side and up and down and stopping suddenly like it saw us.. After about 15 min my coach got scared and demanded we get back in the car and leave.I wanted him to flash the headlights at it but he was ready to just leave. The whole experience was hair raising to say the least. and the fact that an adult was acting scared made it all that more real. the funny thing is the next day at school I was telling all my teammates and they were acting like it was a joke so I went and got the coach and told him to tell them what I was saying was true and to my surprise he acted like I was making it all up and he told the team that nothing of the sort ever happened.. Imagine that! My point is even those people that experience these things sometimes they block them out or deny to themselves that they ever happened just to feel normal or to avoid embarrassment. Oh well, it is what it is .... I am a 27 year old computer tech now. And to this day I still think about that embarrassing situation as a child where I learned how people act about things they cant explain..

Originally posted by JaychaelMeditation and prayer are very different and you even contradict yourself in the first quote.
Also, can you expand on the phrase "simply telepathic" ???

I didn’t contradict myself when I said “People meditate in order to discover a higher awareness in themselves.”

Meditation is mental communication with a higher power as is prayer. Unless you believe that the subconscious is just another part of the human brain and dies with the body-----at death----it doesn’t.

The subconscious is a communications center with higher powers outside of the human body. That part of the mind is where we receive much of our “intuition” and other pertinent information that we call creativity, -----and it’s the place where we experience the thing known as “eureka”, after pondering over a problem and getting an answer.

Prayer uses these same facilities. What is telepathy? Taking with other people or invisible entities non-verbally. When people pray they usually do so in silent meditation. If they pray out loud their thoughts are still aimed at certain deities, or objects. All our verbal and non-verbal communications are monitored by the gods----I prefer to call them ETs.

Digital_Reality,

You being a child could get away with talking about ETs, the coach on the other hand probably would have lost his job-----and definitely his credibility-----when those kids went home and told their parents that the coach told them about aliens from outer space, it would have been all over for him.

It’s rare that anyone who sees things like you described------not have had contact-----especially when the coach became fearful. Abductions are not always measured in hours-----they can be a few seconds or a few minutes in duration-----therefore no lost time.

Perhaps the coach remembered more that he wanted-----and was having to deal with that new reality. You apparently don’t remember any of it other than seeing the craft flying around-----and it is very possible that it was only the coach they came to visit.

Abductions are mostly positive-----regardless of the fear and other bizarre things that may take place during an ET encounter.

Many of them are a one shot deal----and it never happens again.

Hi Sleeper,

First off, I applaud your courage to speak about your alien encounters.

In my estimation, the dizziness and disorientation that people have when near Zetan-alien craft is due to a strong electromagnetic field which is tied in with their antigravity wave propulsion system.

Originally posted by sleeper

Humans can't sneak up on ETs even in spiritual form. The ETs allowed the encounter and provided the means of the out of body experience.

Many if not all of those kinds of paranormal episodes are alien encounters-----they are gifts where the alien presents is benign.

I have to disagree with you on this point. The physical aliens have more advanced technology and a greater industrial base than we have, to be sure. But they have nothing on us in the spiritual or psychic arena. In fact, my own experiences of investigation and research have shown me that they have no telepathic ability whatsoever. Which is not to state that they cannot brainwash an abductee into believing that they have the ability to walk through walls, read minds, etc.

A prisoner who believes that his captors have godlike abilities is less likely to attempt escape and/or resist them.

This is basic psychological manipulation and the aliens know full well how to do this with drugs and implanted screen memories. See: Abductee Brainwashing.

I have found evidence that they are actually afraid of true telekinetic ability, simply because they cannot duplicate it with their machines. Yes, they have antigravity beams and paralysis rays, but they can't actually telekinetically move objects or create matter in any context.

That is their weakness. They are intellectually and technologically gifted but spiritually primitive.

Compassion dictates evolution, not technology.

They have the technology but they don't portray the spirituality.

They are neither omnipotent nor omniscient.



[edit on 13-5-2005 by Paul_Richard]

Paul_richard I think you are right, but I would not go as far to say that us Human's are more advanced spirtually. I think all races take a road of self discovery some lead themselves into a pit of desperation as they try and try to understand and find an answer to "life" while other races conceed that they are merely "pawns" and attempt to live a life of discovery even though they may never find the true answer they are looking for.

IF the "greys" have found only desperation and not the willingness to conceed that "GOD" is still outside of their grasp of understanding. Then maybe they are less spirtual only because they have lost the will to believe in faith. Where humans have more to discover about the universe and thus there remains still many unanswered questions about the universe.

An advanced race like the "greys" if they truely can travel between the stars may have been on thousand year journey's and have an almost infinite life span thanks to cellular engineering, yet have not found the "creator" or discovered the reason why they "live".

So happening upon a race of "humans" that still show a strong belief in a central "creator" facinates them, they study us to find the physilogical changes and the similarities to see if they too share some genetic link, which will provide a basis to believe in a central "creator" of all things in the universe. If mankind share something similar to "greys" then this link of two totally independant races either shows that all life is similar in design or that all life requires a fundemental factor to be considered a "life form".

This could be why the random sampling of (possible) abductees, because some people they can trace a link to and maybe some they can not. And this has them puzzled. Because it verifys and then discounts the possible theory of a central "creator". They are a learning creature (if they even exist) just like man, wondering about their own origins. Just in the "greys" case maybe a few thousand years ahead of us.

As for you sleeper I still think you are a bunch of hog wash that has scrapped a few bits and pieces together from here and there and are trying to make yourself look interesting. Nothing more

Spirituality is a funny thing, no one knows exactly what it is. Although every living thing has a form of it including the ETs-----unless they are biological machines created as probes, or as a workforce around the galaxy.

All living things exist at some level of awareness, presumably the higher the level of awareness the higher the spirituality.

However, spirituality is use as a measure of higher virtue by those who claim to have lots of it.

Here on earth many competing rivals have claimed exclusivity to true “spirituality” and all those others (those with contrary beliefs) are imposters, heathens, and spawns of Satan.

Mormons, Catholics, all five thousand denominations of Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Anarchist, Communist, Socialist, Democrats, Republicans and the thousands of others that I haven’t mentioned.

All these peoples and organizations claim to be more virtuous, more enlightened and therefore, more spiritual, than their competitors.

In that respect spiritually is nothing more than an ego trip.

We have a soul and so do ETs-----unless they are pure machine-----and there are lots of machines out there involved in abductions as part of the ET workforce.

Sleeper your above post was absolutely pointless, we know what the concept of spirtuality is, it does not need explaining here. We all know that it has different meanings in different cultures and religions.

To say that Russians are different from Chinese are different from indian people etc is pretty obvious.

Its called diversity, different names, same basic concept.

Originally posted by robertfenix
As for you sleeper I still think you are a bunch of hog wash that has scrapped a few bits and pieces together from here and there and are trying to make yourself look interesting. Nothing more

Apparently I have failed to make myself look interesting----but thanks for the feedback!

Humans are advanced spiritualy ! O.K. compared to what ? Chimps , Dogs , Turtles! Come on People!

Aliens coming here to checkout our church attendance records my god! You've figured it out !