Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Ok thanks sleeper that makes me realize some things .....

When I was a child this "Humming bird type thing " came up to me as I was playing in the field by my house and it checked me out and scanned my mind or something ! It wasn't a humming bird ! I never have been able to explian it . Do the aliens have anything like that ?

P.S. Everybody i'm not insane!

Originally posted by lost_shaman
Ok thanks sleeper that makes me realize some things .....

When I was a child this "Humming bird type thing " came up to me as I was playing in the field by my house and it checked me out and scanned my mind or something ! It wasn't a humming bird ! I never have been able to explian it . Do the aliens have anything like that ?

P.S. Everybody i'm not insane!

lost_shaman,

It's more like what don't the aliens have? They have every gadget imaginable, and mostly unimaginable----by human concepts.

Their stuff is so futuristic compared to our stuff, that much of it has life like qualities----animation.

Humans are slowly getting there----we have talking cars, coffee pots, microwaves, etc.

Their stuff can move about, make decisions, communicate, and take many forms-----that sometimes change in front of your eyes.

Some of the objects have more personality than the alien beings.

This object that came to you took you to the ship------don't know for what.

I don't like telling things like this to people because that's not my job----and I don't know how it will affect them.

So I will rephrase-----those types of encounters usually, can, may, include a trip to the inside of an alien ship.

For the most part abductions are harmless-----and can be extremely beneficial.

Originally posted by sleeper
Stand in the quite darkness for fifteen minutes----you might force an encounter.

You may also have a heart attack.

Aliens work at night and in the daylight but mostly late at night, when you are sleeping. The human mind can handle alien contact better from a semi-sleep state, and that’s where they keep you for the duration of time spent with them.

It takes a mighty large hair up you butt to meet an alien while you are wide awake.

Are you stating that ETs are omnipresent/omniscient? That they track all human movements at all times?

From your statement, it appears that ETs would prefer to get the jump on humans while they are unaware of their surroundings such as being in a sleep state. Human burglars scare the crap out of people so ETs barging into your house uninvited would never be acceptable to humans either no matter what state of mind a human is in. I doubt ETs would like it if they were in the same position as us having the same stunts pulled on them.

Why do ETs not bother with treating humans with any dignity once they actually do show up for individual contact, but remain hidden to keep human civilization from freaking out? There seems to be a huge divide in reasoning there. To me, that shows that they're here only for their own purposes, not to help in any way. At least if that is the case.

Also you claim ETs will heal some people. Why the seemingly arbitrary and highly selective help? There are billions alive with many living with horrible health or poor environmental conditions. This being the case shows also that ETs have their own agenda first despite the rare kind overtures.

Sleeper, this has been an interesting read. I'm glad to see you are dealing with the debunkers. It's funny to me how quickly these people will set upon any alien experiencer. It's so obvious how desperately they want to defend their orderly view of the world. Personally I see this alien thing as similar to the Pascal argument for belief in God. If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing. It's kind of like that for aliens in my case.

The following quotes from you are in chronological order.

Governments are terrified of the aliens----should they tell that to the people?

This is my favorite quote of yours. It's totally to the point and logical. Governments could not admit that they have no idea what aliens are up to.

Perhaps everything is real, but while inside the ship the atmosphere is like a drug induced experience and difficult to differentiate between reality and imaginary. The minute you step out of the craft the mind goes back to normal.

Have you read Phillip Krapf's story in his books "The Contact has Begun" and "The Challenge of Contact" and if so, what did you think? Your posts are way too short and cryptic so please type in detail what you think. I ask because he mentions the same type of induced calmness during his visit to an alien ship moored on the dark side of the moon

Even though I was in army uniform those who gave me access to the ship acted like they didn’t trust me, so there was little conversation between us. They were not allowed access to the ship when it flew into space, perhaps they were jealous.

My military rank and clearance had nothing to do with my involvement with the aliens; it came about because of my previous contact with aliens from childhood. My clearance to enter the ships was from the aliens, not the military.

So if I understand correctly, these were military persons who had to allow you through because you have alien credentials or something like that? Like going backstage at a concert? Heck, I'd sure be jealous if some dude gets to ride to Alpha Centauri or wherever and I don't.

BTW, I understood the 'pixie dust' comment so don't let those with no sense of humor getcha down.

I smoked a little marijuana until I was told by one of the aliens to stop, I also liked drinking, and they told me to cut back on that

You never answered this question. Why did they tell you to lay off the herb? From my understanding, it has been proven by the CIA that subjects who are stoned are very difficult to hypnotize. I wonder they didn't want your brain to be able to defeat their erasure of your memory. Did they give any details why they wanted you to stop smoking herb but only to "cut back" on alchohol?

I have been approached by normal looking people on base and civilian life that “stopped time” as we know it, and took me onboard a ship.

But time only stopped on the ship, right? You didn't have some sort of experience where others around you were frozen in time while you could move, did you? I think you meant that when you got back from your trip, no time had passed, is that right?

I was never formally questioned by military people but I have observed certain “special” military people abducting other humans “for specific programming.”

So the military will fake abductions? Can you give more details?

Once it was over we were split up and sent to new units, names were aliases, but it didn't matter I had no desire to get back in touch. I’d be surprised if anyone came forward to collaborate, if they are still alive----they were a rough bunch anyway----doubt that they cared about anything.

Why did you serve in Vietnam if you had knowledge of aliens on a very intimate level? Wouldn't such an experiencer usually develop a more pacifistic or at least less-patriotic view of the world? We want to know more about you, so please tell us why you went to war in Vietnam when you had to know the universe really didn't give a crap about that war.

We are like ants cleaning up a piece of candy that has melted on the sidewalk.

I liked this analogy. Very nice.

I apologize for putting so many people through my agonizingly cryptic, detail lacking, boring and tortuous account. ...I can’t promise to do better----I’m regretting my decision for starting this post, if I could take it all back I would. ...I would pay if I could undue what I have started on this post.

Now I have to ask you what your goal is. I mean, there you are with your cars and your business and a successful life, but haven't you spent the last fifty years thinking about these aliens? Why would you post your experiences and then get all silly about it and write something like this? Continue posting and don't back down or pout when people are criticising you. It's the first sign of a fake poster when they want 'love' from the people they're trolling. I've seen it many times on the web. Be tough about what you know/believe and you'll be respected.

My experience began before I was born on this planet. I don’t know if I came from another planet or if they took me out of my mother’s womb during her abduction (no one in my family believes in aliens including my mother).

My mental awareness was not that of a child but near to that of an adult. The ship I was in was all over the place like I was being given a tour of the solar system before they dropped me off or returned me to my mother’s belly.

I remember leaving this solar system and then returning. It was like a train ride I could see planets in the distance some shrouded in the haze of the sun as we made our approach to the earth----at that time I did not know that the planet I was looking at was earth and my new home? The glare of the sun did not bother my eyes---presumably the glass or whatever it was blocked out harmful radiation.

This is a great story. You're saying you had the awareness of an adult while still a child? Is this something that faded over time or were you mentally advanced all through your childhood? I am curious.

Ever pick up a turtle or bird and see the terror in their eyes----they know you are going to eat them and they let loose. That is how most respond to alien contact.

Another great analogy.

Aliens are not allowed to kill humans (intergalactic protocol) -----although, in some cases they have provided support.

How do you know this? What intergalactic protocol is there and how do you know of it? Is there a federation of aliens?

It don't matter how bad you think you are (around other humans) when you are in the presents of an alien you are a small helpless creature----in shock with fear.

You've said that aliens can manipulate our emotions, so possibly this fear is being broadcast into these folks heads? Are you saying that a person couldn't condition themselves toward calmness in the presence of an alien? I mean, what can an alien do to me that a human cannot? Why would I be afraid of them?

Thanks for what you have typed. It's very interesting.

this thread is a hoax. for mutliply reasons. But its almost seems that people have a void in thier lives of discontent to the point that filling that void requires beliving in flying UFO's. Try taking up an instrument, there's real solace in that.
Its not sleepers fault, rather the adoring masses that gobble this up with a desert spoon.

Originally posted by logic_tank
this thread is a hoax. for mutliply reasons. But its almost seems that people have a void in thier lives of discontent to the point that filling that void requires beliving in flying UFO's. Try taking up an instrument, there's real solace in that.
Its not sleepers fault, rather the adoring masses that gobble this up with a desert spoon.

Deny the reality of the subject all you want. There are some who have actually seen UFOs. Myself included and once with witnesses. Mass hallucinations, secret government vehicles, ET spacecraft. Whatever it is, interest will remain. Not sure why you bothered giving your opinion on the reality of the subject.

I wouldn't hold sleeper's words as being credible anyway. There is nothing to back up his statements. Though this has been established since the beginning of the thread.

[edit on 4-5-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by Frith

Not sure why you bothered giving your opinion on the reality of the subject.

cause i have for to long just sat by and watced the most outlanish and lavish topics go unchallenged. After all if you guys are rigth, and i cannot debunk the claims that just add weigh to your argument. On the other hand this mite ruffle a few feathers cause there claims hold less water then a one.

Logic_tank
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Originally posted by Frith

Are you stating that ETs are omnipresent/omniscient? That they track all human movements at all times?

ETs barging into your house uninvited would never be acceptable to humans either no matter what state of mind a human is in.

Why do ETs not bother with treating humans with any dignity once they actually do show up for individual contact, but remain hidden to keep human civilization from freaking out?

Why the seemingly arbitrary and highly selective help?

Frith,

It's not that big a deal for ETs to be omnipotent, they have the technology.

Have you noticed that cameras are going up everywhere in your city? Have you ever driven in a neighborhood without seeing a single cop and the moment you go over the speed limit they are right there on you?

ETs are infinitely more attune to humanity than that, however, to what degree they get involved, I don't know.

ETs never barge in-----they permeate into your room. Apparently their concepts of privacy and individual rights are vastly different than ours----and the powers that be "alien protocol" must allow it.


We hold a power over our children----we discipline them, go into their room without asking and treat them badly------as they often interpret our actions towards them-----when if fact we are only looking out for their well being.

It's a matter of perspective

Why the selective help----good question.

Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face

....If your michael Jackson perhaps!

Originally posted by smallpeepsWhy did they tell you to lay off the herb? From my understanding, it has been proven by the CIA that subjects who are stoned are very difficult to hypnotize.

smallpeeps, Hi,

They never said why on the herb. I think it has been proven that hypnosis requires a willing subject----in other words most people can be hypnotized if they want to be----like quit smoking, or other human modifications. Aliens don’t hypnotize, they program like software into a computer hard drive. But, only in extreme circumstances-----we still have freewill, and their purpose is not to create robots out of us.

Have you read Phillip Krapf's story in his books "The Contact has Begun" and "The Challenge of Contact"

I haven’t read Krapf’s book, but “The Contact has begun” implies something new is about to happen-----in the old day the aliens are the gods of mythology. Nevertheless, in this New Age environment many people need the affirmation of “Contact” because the gods (for many) no longer apply. It is unfolding for sure, people have been primed by television, movies and crop circles for decades.

But time only stopped on the ship, right?

That was a figure of speech because I don’t know how to describe them taking me from point A to point B----inside the ship. I could have said they “beamed me up” but that’s been over used.

So the military will fake abductions?

They don’t fake them; humans have been trained to perform certain covert operations, which include abductions. This is one item I should have left out of my disclosure, so I won’t elaborate much on it now.

Why did you serve in Vietnam if you had knowledge of aliens on a very intimate level? Wouldn't such an experiencer usually develop a more pacifistic or at least less-patriotic view of the world? We want to know more about you, so please tell us why you went to war in Vietnam when you had to know the universe really didn't give a crap about that war.

The war was in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos; I never said where I was sent to----or what I did, for reason I would rather not elaborate on. It may me difficult to believe but politics is not unique to humans. ETs are not supposed to soil their hands with war----but I know they were involved. ETs have been active in every conflict, from what I have learned. Because of the number of other aliens on this planet earth could me a large chess game-----confusing, I know.

You're saying you had the awareness of an adult while still a child? Is this something that faded over time or were you mentally advanced all through your childhood? I am curious.

It faded but I was always aware of my extraterrestrial rides. When I was young my mental state was not altered while in the ship. I was not a prodigy child, I hated school, did bad in all my subjects.

How do you know this? What intergalactic protocol is there and how do you know of it? Is there a federation of aliens?

I don’t have details but when I have a question in my head they give me round-about answers. The way they do certain things makes it obvious they are bound by rules and policies----those I have contact with are not a band of outlaws----however, alien outlaws probably are out there----humans are not shooting down alien ships.

You've said that aliens can manipulate our emotions, so possibly this fear is being broadcast into these folks heads? Are you saying that a person couldn't condition themselves toward calmness in the presence of an alien? I mean, what can an alien do to me that a human cannot? Why would I be afraid of them?

Good observation, nothing works better than fear as an immobilizer.

We would all like to think we could control our situations but not true, an example would be a pride of lions----some meaner than others-----however, their disposition makes no difference to us----we can cage them, sedate them, operate on them, kill them---do anything we wish to them, even eat them.

Humans have a mind and humans can outwit other humans-----unfortunately and I know no one wants to hear or believe it but ETs hold all the cards. Perhaps there are humans able to condition themselves better----after all we are all unique----I haven’t run into any.

I see no reason to be afraid of them but we are. Pick up a turtle on the road and move it to safety off the road----the turtle knows not that you save its life----it pees out of fear because something strange picked it up.

From Sleeper

" I see no reason to be afraid of them but we are. Pick up a turtle on the road and move it to safety off the road----the turtle knows not that you save its life----it pees out of fear because something strange picked it up."

Great analogy !!! I know that feeling!

[edit on 4-5-2005 by lost_shaman]

the topics on this website really scare the # outta me sometimes..how come so many people arent granted the ability to really experience their time taken aboard a spaceship..someone said they had a hummingbird experience and thought it was some alien spy object..u responded that they were on a spaceship and didnt know it..how come u get to semi understand what has happened to u and remember a lot of what has happened to u...

what really boggled my mind is when u said that u remember being on spaceship before you were born on the planet earth and u when u saw earth arriving in the distance u didnt know this would be your home...as in when u were in an embryionic state..or u were just a soul or something with no body

wild stuff

IllegalAlien

how come so many people arent granted the ability to really experience their time taken aboard a spaceship..

I am surprised that more people who claim to have been abducted don't remember more-----without regression.

That makes it difficult for people to believe those that do remember.

I don't post to change anyone's mind about the subject, but to tell what I have experienced.

what really boggled my mind is when u said that u remember being on spaceship before you were born on the planet earth and u when u saw earth arriving in the distance u didnt know this would be your home...as in when u were in an embryionic state..or u were just a soul or something with no body

There are several possibilities, perhaps life never ends and we continue forever----we go somewhere or come from somewhere else when we die or get transferred, or relocated or stationed like some kind of covert military garrisoned on earth. Oops, I let the cat out of the bag.

Or I am a mixture of whatever concoction the aliens implanted in my mother's womb and taken on several test runs around the solar system before being let loose on this planet, and they bring me in for an occasional tweak, or checkup, or perhaps to clean the bathrooms on the ships---I don't know.

The difference between us and the turtle is that we can't talk to the turtle.

Apparently ETs have the ability, should they so desire, to convey some information to us,
and understand us conversing back. I think that puts more burden on them to explain and justify themselves, and to make more respectful and formal diplomatic relations.

We can't tell the turtle why we picked him off the road. However, if there were a pride of linguistically capable apes, simple-minded, but not unable to comprehend some of what we say---we would feel obligated to explain and negotiate, rather than just perform anything regardless of their desires or understanding.

Basically what I read here (i.e. no clear information) the ET aliens seem kind of like jerks. Not gratuitiously cruel jerksn (for the most part) , but insufferable inexplicable superior bureaucrat jerks.

Your mention of the Vietnam war was interesting. Maybe Earth is a pawn in some other powers' own stupid "Domino Theory".

Who says that advanced technology leads to more wisdom? Do we see much more political wisdom today than we did 2000 years ago in Rome? Not too much. There's a slightly greater degree of guilt over warcrimes but that ain't stopping Sudan.

Originally posted by mbkennel
Apparently ETs have the ability, should they so desire, to convey some information to us,
and understand us conversing back. I think that puts more burden on them to explain and justify themselves, and to make more respectful and formal diplomatic relations.

One would think, however take a look at how well we humans communicate with each other-----there are wars all over the place----always have been.

We have problems communicating with our children (not bragging but I was lucky and had few problems with mine) but I was a pain as a teenager and so are most kids.

Try changing someone’s mine about anything-----communication is not what its crack up to be.

That may be why the aliens don’t talk with their mouths, they use their minds instead.

BTW aliens communicate with humans everyday----on many different levels-----they can talk to us and do----they don’t feel the need to talk to everyone.

How often have you talked to the president of the US, the pope, or other high ups? If the president or the pope had a one on one conversation with an alien yesterday do you think the world would know about it other than them and a few top advisers?

Aliens can make communications easy, they can make themselves look like humans, and chat with you at your favorite drinking hole. How often do they do that and those they are taking to know? Many don’t know they are taking to ETs, and ETs do it plenty.

At this very moment and every minute of the day ETs are talking with humans----most just don’t know it.

Originally posted by mbkennel
Who says that advanced technology leads to more wisdom? Do we see much more political wisdom today than we did 2000 years ago in Rome? Not too much. There's a slightly greater degree of guilt over warcrimes but that ain't stopping Sudan.

Good point. Once we get into space and set up colonies on Mars and the moon----China, US, UN, EU, Japan, India, and others----do you think it’s going to be smooth sailing?

There will be disagreements, conflicts, and wars over land and boarders on those planets. Eventually Mars and the moon will unify under their own flags and separate from earthlings.

That has been the pattern for thousands of years----who believes that will change?

Aliens do battle each other.

When I was a child this "Humming bird type thing " came up to me as I was playing in the field by my house and it checked me out and scanned my mind or something ! It wasn't a humming bird ! I never have been able to explian it . Do the aliens have anything like that ?

P.S. Everybody i'm not insane!

Shaman, I'd like to hear more about your hummingbird experience. If you feel comfortable, could you provide more details? Don't worry about people thinking you are insane. True insanity exists in the closed minds of others.

I would specifically like to hear how you felt while this device scanned you. At times through my life, I have had hummingbirds hover near me and they will sometimes regard me with their little eye, cocking their head inquisitively for a split second before fluttering away. I always thought this was a kind of magical thing that hummingbirds did but I always saw them as actual birds. In your case, what stuck out as different? Did you feel a sensation as you were scanned? Feel free to U2U me if you want to avoid the debunkers.

sleeper: If you do believe that aliens are like benevolent parents whose job it is to guide us toward a higher state of understanding, then I am interested to know how you personally feel this will happen. I mean, if you were taken on a star-journey while still in embryo and have had alien experiences all your life, you must have some kind of insight or opinion on how future events will unfold. For example, do you believe that these aliens assisted the folks at Los Alamos to build the atomic bomb? Also, do you feel that aliens will allow us to engage in nuclear war?

Originally posted by smallpeeps
If you do believe that aliens are like benevolent parents whose job it is to guide us toward a higher state of understanding, then I am interested to know how you personally feel this will happen. I mean, if you were taken on a star-journey while still in embryo and have had alien experiences all your life, you must have some kind of insight or opinion on how future events will unfold.

I think there is a misconception about what the ETs will do. What they will not do is transform our way of life into their way of life in a day, year, decade, or century---ies.

We have a large portion of the world living like they did four thousand years ago----simple huts, no sanitation, no clean and running water, mind-boggling poverty----why don’t the advanced nations of the world cooperate and bring them into the twenty-first century?

Because not everyone thinks they should interfere with sovereign nations, regardless on how bad off they are.
There is disagreement among the ETs about the level of interference they partake in on this planet as well.


Personally I think everyone should be brought up to a minimum of civilized standards-----and if it were up to me I would love to see this world taken into a way of life similar to that of the ETs----they exist in what we call utopia.

From what I can tell, they are going to gradually and ever-so-slowly take us there-----most will not see it unfolding.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
do you believe that these aliens assisted the folks at Los Alamos to build the atomic bomb? Also, do you feel that aliens will allow us to engage in nuclear war?

ETs assisted in the development of the atom bomb, without them we wouldn’t have nuclear physics. They also allowed the US to drop the bomb on Japan. In affect they allowed a nuclear war to take place, whether they would allow it again is anyone’s guess.

Originally posted by sleeper
We have a large portion of the world living like they did four thousand years ago----simple huts, no sanitation, no clean and running water, mind-boggling poverty----why don’t the advanced nations of the world cooperate and bring them into the twenty-first century?

Advanced nations offer help to uncivilised nations all the time! The deal is, the uncivilised nations (for example, those living in huts and who hunt food in the jungle) would be worse off if we brought them up to civilised standards that we know of. What are they gonna do with a cell phone, or a microwave, or a palm pilot? Civilizations like that are not searching for ways to advance themselves. So, that's why super powers don't run in and set up an internet system in thier village.

But, there is obviously those of us who's lives are spent working towards the next big leap in tech and advancements in bettering our ways of life. These nations would greatly benefit from assistence from an outside influence.

I'm not so sure that those people in huts aren't the smart ones, and that we're the idiots that put ourselves in borderline slavery to our machines....

Bogalla living in a hut doesn't have to hit the alarm clock, worry about bill collectors calling him, car insurance, traffic, deadlines, etc. Which of us is really more advanced?

Originally posted by Gazrok

Bogalla living in a hut doesn't have to hit the alarm clock, worry about bill collectors calling him, car insurance, traffic, deadlines, etc. Which of us is really more advanced?

Are you sure?

Yeah, fishing and hunting 24/7 sounds great, its those added benefits that suck----lots of flies and mosquitoes buzzing around them non-stop, human poop all over the place, the putrid smell might be good for clearing up the sinuses but that’s probably not a good thing.

They drink water that the EPA would classify as a hazard to life as we know it, they eat food that fido would run from. They sweat and are sticky all the time during the day, and freeze their buns off at night.

There are a few benefits to the rat race.