The Arctic Sea ice may completely melt by the 2030s, scientists warn NYT

originally posted by: mytquin
I stopped believing in this climate change BS after the new ice age never happened.
Scared me to death as a kid in the 70s and 80s, when the people would come on the news and tell us that a new ice age is coming, if we didn't stop climate change. It's all complete and utter bunk!

You were obviously listening to the wrong people. Should have taken notice of what climate scientist were saying, not the charlatans (some of whom are still peddling an imminent ice age, albeit most of the worst culprits are now dead).

The science message has been clear since the 1960s: keep increasing CO2 emissions and we'll see global warming. And get exactly what we're now getting (more extremes of drought, heatwave and flood).

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Yup - it's silly to deny man-made climate change is a thing as it's basic laws of physics to do with heat relection/refraction and specific heat capacity of emitted gasses.

The claims of 'x will happen by date y or x% is caused by man' are generally newspapers or organisations lying with numbers to create headline grabbing things - we're still a long way from the computing power required to properly calculate such things and data/evidence as to be oversimplified for current supercomputers to handle it.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: AndyMayhew

Yup - it's silly to deny man-made climate change is a thing as it's basic laws of physics to do with heat relection/refraction and specific heat capacity of emitted gasses.

The claims of 'x will happen by date y or x% is caused by man' are generally newspapers or organisations lying with numbers to create headline grabbing things - we're still a long way from the computing power required to properly calculate such things and data/evidence as to be oversimplified for current supercomputers to handle it.

Aye, the sequence is usually something like:

1) Scientist says "based on what we currently known, and assuming A and B happen but C does not, we calculate that it is possible event Z could occur with the next X years, possibly even as early as year Y"

2) Media headline reports "Scientists say event Z will occur by year Y"

3) When event A doesn't occur by year Y (for whatever reason) "sceptics" says "see, scientists got it wrong yet again! Global warming is a hoax!"

Although you could place that into the category of fear mongering, the gist of the message is what is important. The Arctic is losing ice/albedo due to what is known as Arctic amplification. Whereas the global temperature rises, the Arctic is experiencing a 2-3 times increase in temperature compared to the global average. Not only is the Arctic polar surface warming, but oceanic temperatures as well, thus resulting in sea ice being warmed from top and bottom, only accelerating this melt process.

There is no denying it. There are vicious amplifying feedbacks in play between the far-right political mobs and accelerating climate change, and they love it.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: AndyMayhew

Yup - it's silly to deny man-made climate change is a thing as it's basic laws of physics to do with heat relection/refraction and specific heat capacity of emitted gasses.

The claims of 'x will happen by date y or x% is caused by man' are generally newspapers or organisations lying with numbers to create headline grabbing things - we're still a long way from the computing power required to properly calculate such things and data/evidence as to be oversimplified for current supercomputers to handle it.

The problem is that historic climate changes do not show CO2 as causal. The most important greenhouse gas is water vapor and computer models have a hard time with phase changes. Data say that we are starting into a cooling cycle that will eventually lead to another ice age in 20,000 to 30,000 years.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: lordcomac

What could be an issue is the huge volume of fresh water screwing up massive planet wide ocean river things...

As The Arctic polar ice melts it adds more fresh water which makes the water less dense. As a result the seawater travels slower and currents like The Gulf Stream bring less warm air.

If The Gulf Stream were to stop it could have an alarming effect on parts of Northern Europe.
Take the three capital cities of Edinburgh, Copenhagen and Moscow. All are at 55 degrees North latitude.
Yet compare the average temperatures, snowfall etc.

Of course this is all if's, but's and maybe's.
But there seems to be little doubt the ice caps are melting and it COULD have a devastating impact on some people's lives.

Diluting seawater also raises the temperature when ice freezes. If they are talking 2-degree increase in the next 7 years (don't hold your breath) we would see more ice at the poles in the winter, but big swings in weather patterns in the summer.

It may melt…..meaning if it doesn’t they are not wrong.

More crap logic and crap ideology.

Selling an agenda.

Just putting this in:

www.bbc.co.uk...

Some UK sea temperatures are currently 3-4C above average. According to the ESA.

I don't buy into any of this being man made, I'm keeping an open mind.

But, it seems that something is going on.

a reply to: vNex92
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: pteridine



They are blaming you because

Because you need water to live, because you need oil to heat your home and keep your lights on, to cook your food. Not because Nestle pumps enough water to give every human on earth 10years of water w/o touching another drop.

No it's not because they sell oil to other countries and refuse to figure out a better way. Not because they mine precious metal and be wasteful with it.. for tacky wear jewelry and their plastic 'recycle program' is really a sham that most of it can't be recycled once created so they spent years secretly discouraging reusable good quality products for money: bye bye glass milk cartons..

It's just easier to blame you then to admit that they purposely let these bastards destroy the planet, sell you lies and then have you believe said lies and give up traditional ways of conservation and reusable HEALTHY ways.

That's just the start.. check the link out, let's see the damage we humans support when we buy bottled water.. Beautiful isn't it?

Carpy, that link I posted answers your question as to why some water's are warmer then they use to be. pteridine Also why 'historical data' doesn't work anymore.