The Arctic Sea ice may completely melt by the 2030s, scientists warn NYT

Can't be true! It already melted back in 2000 according to Nader, Gore et all.

a reply to: vNex92

What is the track record of these scientists?

a reply to: carewemust

0 for infinity

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Insurrectile

FFS, the ONLY point I was trying to make is that its believed that if too much of the Arctic ice-cap melts the fresh water could stop The Gulf Stream which would then most likely affect the climate both sides of The North Atlantic.

That's it.
No comment on the cause of the ice-cap's melting or global climate change.

I'll leave that for other's to discuss.

To be perfectly honest, quite ironically, I'm too hot to be bothered to discuss anything at present.....unusually warm here in North East England.

More problematic would be the melting of the Greenland Ice cap. That would slow the Atlantic conveyer and slow the Gulf stream warming northern Europe which would chill North East England. Further, there would be a change in sea level. Because of the loss of millions of tons of ice gravitationally attracting seawater, the ocean around Greenland would drop, likely many tens of meters. Sea levels would rise elsewhere, of course.

a reply to: Freeborn

I sure don't know what that was about. You mentioned something I had also heard, about the result of melting ice caps, and got pummeled. Seem you deserve a cold one after dealing with such silliness.

Is this predicted by the same climate models that can't accurately hindcast? If so, then why does anyone care what they say because climate changing or not, you may as well cut open a chicken and read its entrails to find out what it all will mean.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Is this predicted by the same climate models that can't accurately hindcast? If so, then why does anyone care what they say because climate changing or not, you may as well cut open a chicken and read its entrails to find out what it all will mean.

For ocean systems we use sea gull entrails, unless it's someone else's tern.

didja ever wonder why all the alarming climate graphs only go back to the 80's?

Arctic Sea Ice Unchanged From 60 Years Ago

Ice-Free Arctic Forecasts

give me a call when they stop flying 200+ private jets to Davos, and sell their beach-front mansions to head for high-ground.

Then we can also discuss their way of meassuring CO2 levels and calling averages...

There's is no way we can contest them, unless some scientists with access to equipment and who are completely independent can confirm or affirm the things we are being told by NASA / NOAA / Etc...

The same NOAA and NASA who has been working in weather modification for ATLEAST 50 years. Which includes spraying silver iodide and CO2 over vast areas (over the states, but it's obvious something similar is going on here in EU)

a reply to: vNex92

Its interesting in the article by NYT they blame northern hemisphere for pollution and global warming.

Blame? That's where you'll find petty much the entire industrialization. What's the grandiose conspiracy theory worth anyway if you can't even fathom the existence of a global south?

That's a whole bowl of elitist bollocks showing right there, impressive! Go and have some crow on my tap?

a reply to: pteridine

Further, there would be a change in sea level. Because of the loss of millions of tons of ice gravitationally attracting seawater, the ocean around Greenland would drop, likely many tens of meters. Sea levels would rise elsewhere, of course.

It's about 7 meters increase in sea water levels, by the way.

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: pteridine

Further, there would be a change in sea level. Because of the loss of millions of tons of ice gravitationally attracting seawater, the ocean around Greenland would drop, likely many tens of meters. Sea levels would rise elsewhere, of course.

It's about 7 meters increase in sea water levels, by the way.

It's a shame nobody told this guy.

a reply to: network dude

I dunno, at some point you've gotta move on and let the science speak for itself.

originally posted by: flice

There's is no way we can contest them, unless some scientists with access to equipment and who are completely independent can confirm or affirm the things we are being told by NASA / NOAA / Etc...

It was done

www.forbes.com...

The results were not what some wanted, though

Yet despite this, and despite past predictions coming all too true today, money talks - hence the big oil concerns still paying to spread disinformation. Even though they knew what carbon emissions would do back in the 1970s! It's a bit like tobacco firms still selling cigarettes today as good for your health and great for kids!

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: network dude

I dunno, at some point you've gotta move on and let the science speak for itself.

These predictions are usually made by computer models. The problem is that at one point you couldn't run these models backwards and have them come close to matching what we know has already happened.

If they can't do that, then they aren't anywhere near accurate enough to give a good picture going forward, either.

What it means is that there is still a lot about the climate we just don't know with any certainty.

2030 is gonna be one helluva year!

a reply to: vNex92

[ snore ]

Again?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: pteridine

Further, there would be a change in sea level. Because of the loss of millions of tons of ice gravitationally attracting seawater, the ocean around Greenland would drop, likely many tens of meters. Sea levels would rise elsewhere, of course.

It's about 7 meters increase in sea water levels, by the way.

That will vary with location. The oceans do not behave like a bath tub.

One volcano ...just one.. a big one and all this climate rubbish is toast..ha literally.

We have been cooling on the whole since the forming of the planet, this is just a little variation in the cooling.





So i think it is all subjective to be honest.

All the best

I stopped believing in this climate change BS after the new ice age never happened.
Scared me to death as a kid in the 70s and 80s, when the people would come on the news and tell us that a new ice age is coming, if we didn't stop climate change. It's all complete and utter bunk!