NHS to Ban Puberty Blockers to Children Outside Research Settings

The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

The blue states will do a reset if they start to get sued, plain and simple. The fact still remains that if the psychological treatment fails some people (which it already does with PTSD patients) then they have to turn to other methods, which will include hormonal or surgical treatments. They can't get around that for now.

Can you read my vibes through the screen? Is mindreading and/or remote viewing part of your academia history too?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

The blue states will do a reset if they start to get sued, plain and simple. The fact still remains that if the psychological treatment fails some people (which it already does with PTSD patients) then they have to turn to other methods, which will include hormonal or surgical treatments. They can't get around that for now.

Can you read my vibes through the screen? Is mindreading and/or remote viewing part of your academia history too?

Who says if psychological treatment doesn't work then the next best solution is hormones n surgery?! This is madness!

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

The blue states will do a reset if they start to get sued, plain and simple. The fact still remains that if the psychological treatment fails some people (which it already does with PTSD patients) then they have to turn to other methods, which will include hormonal or surgical treatments. They can't get around that for now.

Can you read my vibes through the screen? Is mindreading and/or remote viewing part of your academia history too?

Who says if psychological treatment doesn't work then the next best solution is hormones n surgery?! This is madness!

I posted the NHS' new processes - see source a little ways back. They are indeed prescribing hormonal therapy to the children that are already receiving it, they are not ending their hormonal therapy. They have ceased giving hormonal therapy to new patients only. However, depending on the child's psychological and transitional treatments, if it is deemed that there is a risk factor of suicide with the child, then they will apply hormonal therapy.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

The blue states will do a reset if they start to get sued, plain and simple. The fact still remains that if the psychological treatment fails some people (which it already does with PTSD patients) then they have to turn to other methods, which will include hormonal or surgical treatments. They can't get around that for now.

Can you read my vibes through the screen? Is mindreading and/or remote viewing part of your academia history too?

Who says if psychological treatment doesn't work then the next best solution is hormones n surgery?! This is madness!

I posted the NHS' new processes - see source a little ways back. They are indeed prescribing hormonal therapy to the children that are already receiving it, they are not ending their hormonal therapy. They have ceased giving hormonal therapy to new patients only. However, depending on the child's psychological and transitional treatments, if it is deemed that there is a risk factor of suicide with the child, then they will apply hormonal therapy.

that doesn't answer my question

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72
The tide is turning n is turning fast

1) bans on 'gender affirming care' for minors
2) bans on transgender women in female sports
3) removal of the woke ideology activist curriculum from schools

No it is not, just in the red states in the u.s.a. and the medical communities elsewhere are doing a reset with some processes because they really don't know what they are doing with so little evidence-based research.

Yes it is-if the blued states are behind then they will catch up later on with the appropriate lawsuit-you seem unhappy

The blue states will do a reset if they start to get sued, plain and simple. The fact still remains that if the psychological treatment fails some people (which it already does with PTSD patients) then they have to turn to other methods, which will include hormonal or surgical treatments. They can't get around that for now.

Can you read my vibes through the screen? Is mindreading and/or remote viewing part of your academia history too?

Who says if psychological treatment doesn't work then the next best solution is hormones n surgery?! This is madness!

I posted the NHS' new processes - see source a little ways back. They are indeed prescribing hormonal therapy to the children that are already receiving it, they are not ending their hormonal therapy. They have ceased giving hormonal therapy to new patients only. However, depending on the child's psychological and transitional treatments, if it is deemed that there is a risk factor of suicide with the child, then they will apply hormonal therapy.

that doesn't answer my question

It most certainly does, you asked "who" I told you "who".

a reply to: quintessentone

I would posit those would be "in a clinical research setting". In other words, patients' parents would be notified of the lack of science backing that approach and the risks involved in making their children Guinea pigs to advance the Brave New World of gender ideology.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

I would posit those would be "in a clinical research setting". In other words, patients' parents would be notified of the lack of science backing that approach and the risks involved in making their children Guinea pigs to advance the Brave New World of gender ideology.

From the NHS source I posted there was no mention that hormone therapy for at risk patients would be in a clinical research setting.

a reply to: quintessentone

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out. If the guidance is to halt it except for research for the time being, then any patients potentially extended that treatment would be studied for the time being.

This is how it's done with cancer, yes? They study new treatments in clinical trials.

Otherwise, it is unethical in the extreme to simply give unproven treatments to children.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

It doesn't take rocket science to figure out. If the guidance is to halt it except for research for the time being, then any patients potentially extended that treatment would be studied for the time being.

This is how it's done with cancer, yes? They study new treatments in clinical trials.

Otherwise, it is unethical in the extreme to simply give unproven treatments to children.

They are halting it only for new patients, not for existing patients already on a hormone therapy regime...read the source document from NHS.

Also they've been treating with hormone therapy since the 1980s so I'm not sure where you come to the conclusion that these are unproven treatments that can not be applied to children.

a reply to: quintessentone

They are unproven as an effective treatment for gender dysphoria, particularly puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in children. Some of these are drugs I see coming across my desk as cancer treatments with a laundry list of serious, long-term side effects and health consequences.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

Meh, if my child has a psychological problem, drugs would be the very last resort. A lot of neurotic mothers with no patience for behaviors they don't understand, treat them as a first option.

It really isn't up to the mothers or fathers, it's up to the medical professionals as they are the only ones with the medical expertise to properly assess psychological issues and how to help the child.

It absolutely IS up to the mothers and fathers. The medical "professionals" can go eat $h!t, I will do whatever I deem the best course of action for my child is.

You are clearly a fan of Aldous Huxley's magnum opus "Brave New World", you are clearly advocating that you believe that not only is the government benevolent (When the F*ck has that ever been the case?), but that it is up to them to decide what is best for our children? Your false sense of smug moral superiority, thinly veiled as a vague concern for children that are bullied or are depressed, is quite obvious to anyone with a double digit IQ.

Leave the damn children alone and get out from underneath the jackboot that is stamping on you neck.

a reply to: quintessentone

My son wouldn't have access to dolls, nor ask for them as a present. He's a normal child who understands his biology and identity as a young man. Probably because i never filled his head with this garbage and insulated him from most of it. While these poor confused kids spend all their time posing on the internet and trying to gain attention i was teaching my lad to hunt and fish, he also plays football, tennis and is a brown belt at kickboxing. Not to mention top of every class at a grammar school. He doesn't have any social media nor does he watch TV, a huge part of the problem.

Keep your kids informed, entertained, driven, motivated, happy and positive and they won't need to turn to maniacs on the internet for a role model or perverted ideas about sex and gender.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: quintessentone

My son wouldn't have access to dolls, nor ask for them as a present. He's a normal child who understands his biology and identity as a young man. Probably because i never filled his head with this garbage and insulated him from most of it. While these poor confused kids spend all their time posing on the internet and trying to gain attention i was teaching my lad to hunt and fish, he also plays football, tennis and is a brown belt at kickboxing. Not to mention top of every class at a grammar school. He doesn't have any social media nor does he watch TV, a huge part of the problem.

Keep your kids informed, entertained, driven, motivated, happy and positive and they won't need to turn to maniacs on the internet for a role model or perverted ideas about sex and gender.

Bravo!!

Second.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: ketsuko

(i.e. help them to cope with the skin they are in - that isn't conversion therapy; it's dealing with physical reality).

No way?! It seems like a miracle someone somewhere noticed they have common sense and applied it.

Not a miracle.

NHS is not a "for profit" organization. And transgenderism lobbyists are backed by a corrupt American medical industry that only see profits in patients.

More reasons why a National Health Service trumps a profit driven Health industry.

Good news. Just need the same for education system. Therapy only

a reply to: ketsuko