Trump indicted in classified documents case in Florida

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: matafuchs

But every single President did not relay military information to random aides with no security clearance on audio. No President claimed in many interviews and social media posts that "these are mine" " I can do whatever I want with them" "I don't have to give them back". No President asked his attorney to destroy government documents that were requested in a subpoena, after served the subpoena,nor requested them to "pluck out" the "bad ones" before returning them. No President had his attorneys sign a false attestation to the government. No President had his people move boxes with documents requested by the government to purposely unsecured areas and out of the state away from the government.

I’m glad we’ve got folks like you to prove how wrong guys like Dershowitz and Turley and many of their peers are. Must be a real burden to know so much more than them.
You know you’re oh-fer in the Trump wars, right ? Except for the crazy cat lady.
I haven’t seen you this excited since you were cheering for Hottie Avenatti.

a reply to: stevieray

Well, first of all, responding to a post does not indicate one is excited. 2nd of all, you'll be hard pressed to find any post of mine stating "we've got him now" in any of the instances he's been under scrutiny. 3rd of all, Avenatti is a slime ball. 4th of all, I only provided information that is available in the indictment or any other court filing. I don't claim to know more than an attorney or judge, which is why I cite the court filings, unlike many here who are making up defenses for Trump that his attorneys or he himself have never claimed once.

a reply to: IndieA

Trump, his lawyers, the judge, and the jury would all have access to those documents during a trial. Once again, if there were documents damaging to the DOJ, FBI, & current administration, why would they include those documents in a trial.

The same question goes for people saying these are CFH documents. Or people claiming it's just the letters Kim Jong Un and Obama sent to Trump.

The DOJ are very aware how significant this trial is. They also know that if the documents they choose to prosecute on don't involve matters of NATSEC that the common person can understand the significance of them being out in the wild, then they're not going to win over the jury.

These are going to be documents where the DOJ can clearly illustrate why it put the nation at risk for Trump to have them. And the scary thing is, these may not even be the most serious documents Trump had in his possession.

The DOJ are only prosecuting on about half of the Top Secret documents they recovered. It's possible that some of those remaining documents were deemed too sensitive to include in the trial.

a reply to: stevieray

If Trump's case is such a slam dunk why haven't Dershowitz and Turley offered their services? I mean if it's such an easy case that these guys can win it with their eyes closed, why aren't they chomping at the bit to make a few million dollars?

a reply to: Threadbare

So youre arguing why people dont put their names, livelyhoods and possibly lives on the line against a faceless, corrupt and infinite resource federal govt machine?


Youve gone full bootlicker.

Nice

a reply to: Threadbare

Normally, lawyers line up to take a case with high visibility and difficult or unusually prosecuted law.

That they arent tells me they don't want their inside outs probed by 'donk proctologists'. We saw that the IRS went after Matt Taibe (sp?) right after his twitter testimony. Who needs it.

Isolating a person from legal counsel is an old Dixie Mafia trick. They've made working for Trump not worth the possible payoff in lawyer hall of fame membership.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Or maybe it's because Trump has a reputation of being a nightmare client and the headache isn't worth the effort. Especially when there's a good chance they won't be paid if Trump loses.

There's a reason Trusty made sure to get his $5 million retainer up front.

a reply to: Threadbare

If the US government knew about these documents a few years ago, and they are so damning to US security, why are we just getting to it? If it were true I would want to see Trump arrested. He would be treasonous at that point. Even if he was not making anything off it. If he was hurting US National Security stop him.

Why not?

a reply to: Threadbare

Ask Stone and Manafort...and Flynn....and Demetrios Papadopoulos...maybe they do not want a no-knock at 6 AM.

a reply to: matafuchs

They didn't know about thegn a few years ago. There were certain, unique, documents missing from NARA's collection, such as the Kim Jong Un letter. This prompted NARA to inquire whether or not Trump was still in possession of Presidential records.

He ended up being in possession of more Presidential records than expected, which included classified material. This prompted NARA to reach out to the DOJ when they received the Fifteen Boxes in January of last year and discovered this fact.

a reply to: matafuchs

Because its better to leverage scandal in regard to the upcoming election every 2 years. Timing is essential. So you sit on it.

Kinda takes the wind out of the national security crisis sails tho'. Oh, what to do?

a reply to: Threadbare

Just the other day I heard Obama had finally finished working with NARA and his library and docs.

Why doesn't Trump get a library?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

The President or his representatives are solely responsible for choice of the final location for the Library building and for the construction costs. The Presidential Libraries Act (44 U.S.C.)

Now do you know why he doesn't want one? He's responsible financially for costs.
Kinda hard when he's so busy grifting for so many other things.

a reply to: JinMI
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It’s one of those acorn, correct the record, misinformation peoples.
They roll around each election cycle.
It’s gross.

a reply to: frogs453

Well, they have no experience dealing with a single person directly to sort thru the stuff that got scooped up during the move, nor such person having a certain degree of paranoia from being victimized by the same people. Normally they work with a staff to figure it all out.

So what should be done if he opts not to have a library, like you said?

They gotta deal with him. And this is the result.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

He assigned multiple people to his records team at MAL including Kash Patel and reporter John Soloman. He had a staff of at least 6. Granted there should not have been any classified marked docs for them to go through. He was during his Presidency to determine what records were Personal and he could keep. He then had his team and could request assistance from the GSA and NARA if he wanted to in those months after he lost the election to help pack and NARA could have assisted with any questions on something he wanted to retain.

a reply to: Threadbare

Trump, his lawyers, the judge, and the jury would all have access to those documents during a trial. Once again, if there were documents damaging to the DOJ, FBI, & current administration, why would they include those documents in a trial.

That doesn't include the public though. The public wouldn't be able to see the documents, and everyone else you mentioned would be under NDAs.

Unless, it's found that Trump declassified all of those documents before he left office, in which case I think the public should have access to them. That way, we could see what all the, seemingly unequal and bias, fuss is all about.

I see your point about how they would want to exclude anything extra damning, though, especially if it wasn't necessary.

a reply to: Threadbare

So...they...knew...things....were....missing....

The DOJ has filed a number of new filings. Among them a request to postpone the trial until December 11 and a list of 84 witnesses that Trump and Nauta are prohibited from communicating with except through counsel per conditions set during the arraignment.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Threadbare

Just the other day I heard Obama had finally finished working with NARA and his library and docs.

Why doesn't Trump get a library?

Ask him. I would imagine because he doesn't give a horse's ptooey. What's in it for him? He'd have to raise money for its construction, and he certainly isn't about to waste his time fundraising for anything or anyone other than himself.