Freedom of Russia legion evacuating Russians into Ukraine

a reply to: gortex

Well Ukrainians do speak Russian..

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

Russians.

More whataboutisms.

Two wrongs, don't make a right.

Just excuses.

There it is.

So all Russians are looters?

How’s Bakhmut going?

I told you a couple weeks ago in the Bakhmut thread, not to worry. Soon you won’t be engaging in the “Bakhmut Holds!” discussion anymore.

And now you’re crickets.

lol

Guess what’s left now is cheering on this BS “Russian freedom legionaries” PR stunt and distraction coming out of the fall of Bakhmut.

a reply to: vNex92

Americans speak English.

They are a former colony of ours.

Should we invade America based on your false and risible pretext?

a reply to: Imhere

No, not all of them.

Some do.

Bakhmut held for a very long time.

At huge cost to Russia.

Or, to the Wagner Group Nazis.

Whose leader is now a very outspoken critic of your boy Putin.

Me, "crickets"?

No. Right here, in your face.

originally posted by: Imhere

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Imhere
This fiasco is a bunch of BS.

What’s the plan here, for these “freedom legionaries” to evacuate Moscow to Ukraine too?

lol

Thought these “legionaries” are Russian? And not supported by Ukraine?

If that’s true, then these “Russian legionaries” have a steady military supply/support from Russia and Putin.

Which is it?

Again, the evacuation of Russian citizens to Ukraine in conjunction with Ukraine command is hilariously bad.

Actually it’s not funny because NATO stated repeatedly that the military aid is not to be used on Russian territory.

LOL sounds like more of the people voting with thier feet... can't be any more than 5,000 could it? If it's more thats semi problematic for Russia.

Still, we know Russia has no qualms about killing its citizens when embarrassing situations arise. LOL the poor Belgorodans don't know who to believe but if they know their history, I could see loads choosing for safe passage to Ukraine from the front and the Kremlin. Besides anybody left will be interrogated and subject to charges of aiding and abetting the enemy,or worse.

So which is it?

One day it's announced all of the terrifying terrorists and saboteurs have been killed in Belgorod and yet they are still operating in the Russian oblast 3 days later.

LOL, and now the terrifying terrorists are now evacuating citizens who volunteer for asylum away from the Red Army and the Kremlin.

It's actually a brilliant public relations move on top of everything else. Now if Russia doesn't allow the extraction, they look like tyrannical asses. You have one country fighting to save its citizens and you have another attacking its own country and citizens with missiles, such a typical Russian response and tactic.

Seems like Zelensky needs a PR stunt and desperate distraction right after the fall of Bakhmut.

Coming from the same people that were chanting past year that Russia is out of missiles! Are now saying Russia is using missiles on its civilians..

Now, expecting the Russian population to put their hands up and sent to Ukraine lol.

Like I said, it sounds like a bunch of BS. They couldn’t get the Russian population in Crimea to flee and now expecting to evacuate Moscow next.

The Crimea, is that the best you have? try and stay on the subject comrade Imhere, which was the formerly safe border town of Belgorod behind the impervious Russian Iron Curtain.

LOL Russia can't stop these Pancho Villa 1800's type border raids, and lies about it till they have to literally shoot thermobaric missiles at themselves, no wonder the natives are restless.




in other news from Tass

MOSCOW, June 3. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin remains open to any contact that would allow meeting the goals of the special military operation through peaceful means, but the West does not provide such a chance, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in the ‘Moscow. The Kremlin. Putin’ program on the Rossiya-1 TV channel.

An excerpt from the TV program was posted by journalist Pavel Zarubin on his Telegram channel.

"President Putin has been, is, and will be open to any contact in order to attain our objectives by other means than the special military operation. If it is possible, it would be preferable," Peskov said, adding that "both Mr. [French President Emmanuel] Macron and other European leaders should be aware of it."

a reply to: Imhere


If you had taken the time to to do some research you probably would have noticed that Ukraine has no interest is taking Bakhmut.
What they have an interest in is letting Russians continue to put soldiers into a kill zone.
Bahkmut is not of any strategic importance unless you look at it from a meat grinder standpoint.
I take it you are not strategically inclined.

I play total war so I know what I'm talking about........../sarc


Anyways just going off what others whom have experience in this type of thing have to say.

a reply to: Imhere

Coming from the same people that were chanting past year that Russia is out of missiles!

Honestly, the only one I can recall saying this for at least the last 10-12 months is you. No one in these threads whose posts are worth reading have said that. ( that includes you. I like that you will discuss things at a semi civil level, little banter never hurt anyone, even if you're wrong )

Russia has 1000's of missiles in reserve but some types, they are getting low on stocks that they willing to commit to Ukraine. They are are also suffering from some of the production lines for the types of ordnance being used being shut down and the problems with either trying to restart them or manage the existing supply. Russia keeps a % of it's stocks in reserve as an insurance in the case of an actual NATO conflict. As well, they have other adversaries along that big ole border, including Kazakhstan and China, that although on friendly terms currently,as history shows, empires have no problem turning on an ally if they perceive it to be in their best interest.

AS for these raids, the Freedom of Russia legion/group has been active in Ukraine since pretty much the start. Belarus has a group like this, Georgia, Armenia, Chechenya all have group of people fighting against Russia in Ukraine. It's all propaganda, psyops and feints to try to keep the information space confused. Nothing that hasn't been done in war since the beginning of war. Who knows if any of the people of Belgorod ran to the Ukrainian border. Not much different than the Ukrainians who went to Russia voluntarily when the war started. Not every refugee who fled to Russia went because that's where they wanted to go, it's where the bus/truck/train they were forced onto by the Russians stopped. But some did go voluntarily. No different here, just a smaller scale.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: putnam6

If I was having thermobaric rockets being lobbed indiscriminately in my general direction I'd probably vote with my feet.

LOL yep, instead of having plenty of loyal troops in reserve to quell the incursion, they shoot missiles indiscriminately at Belgorod, brilliant. I guess they had to find a target that wasn't covered by NATO air defenses.

Here is Tass's take on the situation in Belgorod

tass.com...

MILITARY OPERATION IN UKRAINE2 JUN, 12:34
Two civilians wounded after Ukraine shells Belgorod Region settlement — governor
According to Vyacheslav Gladkov, the injured men are being evacuated by armored car to a city hospital
MOSCOW, June 2. /TASS/. Two people were wounded when the village of Novaya Tavolzhanka in Russia’s Belgorod Region was shelled by Ukraine, the region's governor, Vyacheslav Gladkov, wrote on his Telegram channel on Friday.

"Two civilians were injured in Novaya Tavolzhanka, hit by 40 cannon-launched shells. A man received a shrapnel wound to the hip, the other one suffered a concussion," the governor blogged.

According to Gladkov, the injured men are being evacuated by armored car to a city hospital. "An industrial enterprise in Shebekino caught fire after a shell hit it. Fire brigades have been rushed to the site," he wrote.

originally posted by: vNex92
I am amused how many actual on some here believe they are Russians when in fact they are Ukrainians..

a reply to: putnam6

Here's a thought I have been pondering the last week or so.

What is the international response if Russia used a tactical nuke in Belgorod or another area of Russia? It's their land right? What if these incursions continue or grow in frequency? Doesn't Russia have the right to drop a small yield nuclear weapon on their own soil for defense? Not the bull#, no one recognizes places, Crimea and South Eastern Ukraine. What would the response from the Russian population look like, not just where ever the weapon was used but the total population in general? Certainly, these incursions count as clear breach of Russia sovereign land.

Like a lot of other things in this war, many people have said "that'll never happen" and it did. And I like to ponder hypothetical's that may currently fall into the "that'll never happen" category. Cause well, it might.

originally posted by: vNex92
I am amused how many actual on some here believe they are Russians when in fact they are Ukrainians..

Not me, fella.

I'm pretty much known as being a a Brit.

I have no idea what you are on about.

What is your country?

Imagine the counter offensive smashed through the Russian border and they headed to Moscow. They won’t obviously, but I doubt there would be much to stop them, apart from mushrooms.

Thrusts into Russia itself are a part of the pre offensive softening up.

originally posted by: GAOTU789
a reply to: putnam6

Here's a thought I have been pondering the last week or so.

What is the international response if Russia used a tactical nuke in Belgorod or another area of Russia? It's their land right? What if these incursions continue or grow in frequency? Doesn't Russia have the right to drop a small yield nuclear weapon on their own soil for defense? Not the bull#, no one recognizes places, Crimea and South Eastern Ukraine. What would the response from the Russian population look like, not just where ever the weapon was used but the total population in general? Certainly, these incursions count as clear breach of Russia sovereign land.

Like a lot of other things in this war, many people have said "that'll never happen" and it did. And I like to ponder hypothetical's that may currently fall into the "that'll never happen" category. Cause well, it might.

I like to think of the what ifs as well, but here is a how is...

How is Russia going to maintain security on its new preferred borders with Ukraine when it can't keep its old borders secure?

As for using tactical nukes on it's own territory, Id imagine it would have to be much more urgent than it is now.

Make no mistake I think just because the Russian border isn't secure and the partisans, freedom fighters, Ukrainians, or whoever can operate even for a few days is troublesome as it is.

Certainly, it would be a desperate action to use even tactical nukes on your own territory, and yea I'd think a good portion of the citizenry would freak out because of it. Crazy but like you said we have seen crazy already.

if this below is partially true seeds of discontent are definitely present, makes me wonder who is going to water them and make sure they take root


www.understandingwar.org...

A Russian Duma Deputy stated during a public forum on June 1 that Russia has failed to accomplish any of its articulated goals for the “special military operation” in Ukraine. First Duma Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) Affairs Konstantin Zatulin emphasized that of Russia’s officially declared goals at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine — “denazification, demilitarization, the neutrality of Ukraine, and the protection of the inhabitants of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics”—none have actually been met.[16] Zatulin further noted that as the war has worn on, these goals have ceased to hold actual meaning and suggested that Russian forces should have been more aggressive in efforts to push Ukrainian forces back from the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. Zatulin’s critical observations are noteworthy considering that he is a contributor to the Kremlin-affiliated Valdai Discussion Club, which famously upholds views complementary to Russian President Vladimir Putin and the official Kremlin propaganda line.[17] Zatulin’s apparent views of the war represent an absolute minority within the Russian domestic political environment, as self-censorship and general information space repressions are commonplace. However, such statements coming from a relatively mainstream and well-platformed official suggest that a small subset of the predominant pro-war Russian political faction may feel somewhat empowered to voice discontent and advocate for escalated goals as the war continues.

a reply to: putnam6

However, such statements coming from a relatively mainstream and well-platformed official suggest that a small subset of the predominant pro-war Russian political faction may feel somewhat empowered to voice discontent and advocate for escalated goals as the war continues.

Then add this latest comment by Prigozhin that he won't wait for permission to use his forces on Russian soil to secure the border seems to indicate a further slip of control for the Kremlin.

"If the defense ministry, in the near future, does not stop what is happening in the Belgorod region.. then of course we will come to defend Russian land," Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Wagner, said on Telegram.

"The civilian population is dying in Belgorod," Prigozhin said, adding he would not wait for an "invitation" to deploy his fighters there.
www.themoscowtimes.com...

Anyone seen Putin lately ?

a reply to: GAOTU789

Then Macron would feel obligated to nuke London in order to apologize for NATO's provocations against Russia

Cheers

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: gortex

Well Ukrainians do speak Russian..

So do Russians but I guess it's an uncomfortable truth that Russians would want to stand against the Autocratic Putin regime.

Those Russians who speak out inside Russia go to prison those outside Russia go to Belgorod.

a reply to: vNex92

I wonder if Putin is amused?

Ah well you reap what you sow Vladimir.

a reply to: vNex92

I am amused how many actual on some here believe they are Russians when in fact they are Ukrainians.

You have previously stated your belief in the Putin mantra that there is no such thing as Ukrainian, they are all in fact Russian.
You can't have it both ways.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that there are people inside Russia that don't support both the invasion of Ukraine and the Putin administration and that they are willing to take up arms against a regime that they view as oppressive and authoritarian?

Whats the Russian word for Karen ? lol

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: gortex

Oh dear, what a shame never mind.

The Russian Volunteer Corps have released a video on Telegram showing 2 captured Russian troops and presented their offer to exchange the captives for a meeting with the governor of the Belgorod region.

"Today until 5pm (local time), you have the opportunity to communicate without weapons and take home two Russian citizens, ordinary soldiers whom you and your political leadership sent to the slaughter," read a joint statement by RVC and the Freedom of Russia Legion.

The governor's response was this.

"Most likely they killed them, as hard as it is for me to say. But if they are alive, from 5pm to 6pm - Shebekino checkpoint. I guarantee safety," governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said.
news.sky.com...