Whistleblower with terminal cancer answers questions about UFOs

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Me thinks they like Latino and that's why our border are open. I did read a report that many cattle mutilation's were the result of flocks of buzzards or vultures. That report was offered by the FBI so that could be a hoax similar to those who think 4Chan is also.

Just like that dossier thingy.

a reply to: FingerMan

There are all kind of stories thrown around. And if some pilots were lost engaging an alien spacecraft,,, it would be absolutely impossible to keep that a secret.

Former Army Aviation guy here: I have to agree. Even if it was some top secret military aircraft, or even watercraft, the pilots families are going to notice them missing. You may be able to say it was a training accident or whatever, but that probably wouldn't fly (haha).

Additionally, the Bermuda Triangle sits right smack in the middle of some insanely busy shipping lanes as well as busy airways. How is it that so many ships and aircraft travel through the triangle every day and they are fine? With what the guy on 4chan says, if anything gets close to it, it gets destroyed. While I could see something hiding in the Milwaukee Trench, ships are still within around 6 miles of the supposed factory given the maximum depth it could be. That's pretty damn close.

It makes for a good story, but I don't think it's true.

a reply to: AmazonChitlin

Here’s an interesting take on a possible solution to the Bermuda Triangle disappearances….

Scientist claims to have answer to mystery of notorious Bermuda Triangle

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originally posted by: AmazonChitlin
a reply to: FingerMan

Former Army Aviation guy here [...] It makes for a good story, but I don't think it's true.

Thanks for the analysis

It depends, of course, what "they" see as a threat and what is not seen as a threat. What the 4chan guy (?) suggests is that ships can simply pass over if they do not suddenly make sharp turns or other unexpected movements. If they do, they are in danger of being "shot" down. Also, the "factory" seems to be able to move itself out of the way, and it makes sense to me that it would move to a relatively calm spot, sea vessel traffic wise.

Your point about pilots families raising the alert if one of their kin is gone missing is a good point. It may be that these pilots do not have families, but that's a bit of a stretch on my part. It may also be that their families aren't even aware of them working as pilots, but again: a bit of a stretch here.

But OTOH, it is also expected by such families that their son/brother/whatever can end up dead, it is in the nature of the profession that some never make it. Nor do pilots talk a lot about their missions (assuming these are secret missions) and in pilot's families that is well accepted. So, if a pilot is killed, indeed often the message to the family is along the line of "lost in action" or "killed during a training exercise"..

a reply to: ForteanOrg

And what does my AI friend has to say about this:

When pilots are killed in action on a secret mission, it is often because they were engaged in classified military or intelligence operations. In such cases, the families of these pilots are typically aware that their loved ones were involved in dangerous and sensitive assignments. There are several reasons why families may not raise the alarm or publicly disclose the details of their loved ones' missions:

Respect for National Security: Families are usually briefed on the classified nature of the mission and the importance of maintaining national security. They understand that revealing sensitive information could potentially compromise ongoing operations or put other military personnel at risk. Respecting the confidentiality of classified missions is considered a duty to their country.

Legal Obligations: Family members may be bound by legal obligations or non-disclosure agreements that prevent them from discussing the specifics of the mission or the circumstances surrounding the death of their loved ones. Violating these agreements could result in legal consequences.

Trust in the Military: Families often have trust in the military and the government's decision-making processes. They believe that the mission their loved ones were engaged in was necessary and in the best interest of national security. This trust may lead them to accept the secrecy surrounding the mission and refrain from raising public alarm.

Grief and Privacy: Families of fallen military personnel often go through a period of grief and mourning. They may prefer to keep their private matters private and deal with their loss within a close circle of family and friends. Publicly questioning or challenging the circumstances of the mission might not align with their grieving process. It's important to note that the above points are generalizations and may not apply to every situation. There have been cases where families have raised concerns or sought answers regarding the deaths of their loved ones on secret missions. However, such cases are typically exceptional and depend on various factors, including the specific circumstances, individual beliefs, and personal choices of the families involved.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: AmazonChitlin
a reply to: FingerMan


Thanks for the analysis

It depends, of course, what "they" see as a threat and what is not seen as a threat. What the 4chan guy (?) suggests is that ships can simply pass over if they do not suddenly make sharp turns or other unexpected movements. If they do, they are in danger of being "shot" down. Also, the "factory" seems to be able to move itself out of the way, and it makes sense to me that it would move to a relatively calm spot, sea vessel traffic wise.

Your point about pilots families raising the alert if one of their kin is gone missing is a good point. It may be that these pilots do not have families, but that's a bit of a stretch on my part. It may also be that their families aren't even aware of them working as pilots, but again: a bit of a stretch here.

But OTOH, it is also expected by such families that their son/brother/whatever can end up dead, it is in the nature of the profession that some never make it. Nor do pilots talk a lot about their missions (assuming these are secret missions) and in pilot's families that is well accepted. So, if a pilot is killed, indeed often the message to the family is along the line of "lost in action" or "killed during a training exercise"..

Thank you for the respectful conversation! I'm definitely not trying to argue.

As for seafaring ships and it being able to differentiate between whether something is a threat or not, It would make sense why ships and aircraft have gone missing in the general area. What doesn't make much sense to me though is that the area isn't quarantined. There have been people for years that have made attempts to locate some of the wrecks using sonar, submersibles, and whatever else is used to locate them. You'd think the powers that be would steer those people away in case the stumble upon the "factory" (sorry, I don't know what else to call it...and I believe that's what the 4chan person called it) or unwittingly get close to it and get killed. If the factory decided to move itself once it realizes that these civilians are going to be poking around the area, then with it's enormous size, it's going to stir up debris, create...hell, I don't know what they're called...underwater wake(?) as it moves through the water. Even if it has some sort of tech that doesn't create any kind of wake, there's still water displacement.

I totally get what you mean about pilots families, and pilots not talking about their missions. It's been my experience dealing with them though, that while they may not discuss the classified portion of their mission, they will still talk about what they can...with whoever will listen. Pilots are obnoxious.

And families will typically keep quiet from what I've seen as well, that's a very good point.

a reply to: AmazonChitlin

Thank you for your reply.

If what rumours have is correct, the "factory" is using similar tech that their scout"ships" use, which seems to involve the possibility to change density, inertia, gravity or spacetime. We can't imagine (yet?) how it is done, but many reports show the unidentified phenomena do "impossible" things like making 90 degree turns whilst flying thousands of miles per hour or maintain a constant speed in various adjoining media e.g. air and water. Some recordings, made by military planes, show how such orbs, tic-tacs, or "hammers" (as our 4chan friend calls them) can hit water full speed without much disturbance, nor is their speed reduced much (or at least, in as far as can be seen) by the higher resistance of the water. Other reports state the people are being abducted by "beaming" them through solid walls or windows. Way beyond what we can do ourselves, actually, a bit beyond what we dare to believe possible. But I think that old adagium applies: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” (Arthur C. Clarke).

So, perhaps they can really move their factory around quickly without creating an earthquake...

a reply to: FingerMan

LOL You are funny, is it such a stretch to consider that somewhere in the vast universe another species was created/evolved to a point to send drones out to other planets.

We do it, so why not another species?

If you can manage to accept that theory then is it that hard to think well maybe they were further along with AI (some now are speculating we will have general AI in the public domain in a decade or so when I was a kid 30 years ago they were saying 100 yrs minimum), and sending no biological creatures in a ship would then enable more options for faster space travel.

As to laugh at that theory I am glad you are smarter than actual astrophysicists, your towering intellect must dwarf them all;oh bless your heart.

Also I said in my original post on this thread that it is 4chan grain of salt.

Dont bother replying I wont touch someone with such a narrow mind again, my suggestion is get to reading more because whatever schooling you have had failed you enormously.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: FingerMan

I read your threads and your fascination with ET and UFO. So you bash this guy and 4Chan. IMO you are doing so to prop up yourself and that's what ATS isn't about.

This has nothing to do with deny ignorance and this story does have legs and connections. Many here have seen UFO's including me. Many are USA owned and many arent. He mentions the orange UFO's that were 1st documented in the late 1800's.

Orange Orbs by Terry Ray

ISBN 9781620064474 by Terry Ray. A former military pilot and trial lawyer.

Interesting that people take offense when you say that you don't believe a story.
There have been literally thousands of pranksters on the internet. And yet, there are still people buying these stories without any evidence. And for me, the guy basically cries out in his posts that he is pranking, begging to be scrutinized and saying this is 4chan and the internet. That is my take on his comments.

If you have read my threads or comments, you will notice a trend. (Though, that is creepy....) I tend to think this topic has to do with the stories and prophecies of the Bible.
And if I am correct on that assumption, you won't see any disclosure as Aliens and Angels are one in the same.

I'm interested in this topic. But will shake the tree if I see group think trending in the wrong direction.
Even I was duped early by Covid. So being aware I am not immune to group think, I'm a little more sensitive to it now.
And when I point out hypocrisy, it is not a personal attack, just pointing it out. As the 4chan poster said, it is the internet. Stop taking these things personal.

With that said. His premise and some of this quotes are intriguing. I read the entire thread. And I think he has a genius imagination. Never thought of a stroke inducing weapon that would make us docile. But I'm sure our military has thought of it already. And if he is telling the truth, then this will be proven in time. I'm willing to sit here and say his posts are intriguing and though provoking. But to jump up and down and say this is fact, this is truth, yeah Ima shake the tree with a post or two.

A pretty coherent story. The possibility of the existence of the factory that creates the objects on demand seems to me a concept rarely used. Of course, being the origin 4chan must be taken as little serious. But... it has something... If it was really true, we would have a very worrying scenario because of the hostility of these beings. I hope the 4chan OP doesnt dissapear yet.

I found interesting the part where he associates the color of the lights of the object to the objective, It makes sense with the encounters with the "luz mala" lights in South America.

It is strange that no one asked how the guys are monitoring the object given its level of hostility and ability to eliminate electrical systems. How did they record it on video to know how the drone mined? How do they know their shape and texture (not rusted) if they can't get close? Because satellital information should not give all that data, maybe a sort of estimation of form and size at most

a reply to: FingerMan

When he got into the colors of the UFO's he got me as I have witnessed many here in South Carolina over the Georgia border. Several other ATS members who live in all parts of this state have also seen them.

I believe in God and believe there is a connection between these things and God. I sent this to my Fed 'handler" and he felt the guy was somewhat credible because as if he's dying he could be spaced out from a comprehension perspective.

I actually sent him the 4chan thread along with a 2018 History Channel story in which they cancelled the 3rd season. Here's the link to another one by Discovery Channel.

Darrell Miklos

He looked at the statement relating to 4000BC as they seem to be the protectors of earth on behalf of the divine as they can destroy anything at will.

As a contractor I worked with NCIS, DCIS with respect to the explosion in the fuel pump room that exploded on the USS America. I spoke with one sailors father that was quoted by the Associate press who was in the pump room but escaped. Others died. Here's a story about it but not the one I am referring to.

Two Killed in Explosion and Fire On USS America

So, what my point. I have the other AP story in my evidence box. I wont give that one out as when I made a 2nd call to the father he would not say anything. So I said were the men in black at your home before your son returned. He said yes. Tats all it takes to scare the sheet out of someone. Same for this guy and his story. This story may also came out as goofy as that's the only way it can. As partial fiction. Why? Read "Mind Games" by Richard Thieme. He speaks to the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOD, DHS, SS and others. By page 50 you will get why people write and post stuff as fiction and also why they do something goofy to discredit themselves. You will also understand how our government operates and it applies to this situation also.

Just keep an open mind as your and I and many other US citizens are disposable. Just look at how they treat the Vets.

a reply to: FingerMan

problem with religions especially christians in the ufo topic is that they view everything in a narrow lens. where anything that's not listed in the bible is demon/devil or something....

a levitating refrigerator?? ahh devil is up his dirty tricks again.

originally posted by: Absinth3
I came across this over the weekend. Notice ahead of time that this comes from a 4chan post, so take it as fiction, if you like. It is an interesting read all the same.

Apparently the OP is a government employee with certain access to UFOs and information that pertains to his department. He claims to be dying of liver cancer and wanted to let the public in on some of what is going on behind closed doors.

I found it very interesting about his descriptions of an underwater construction facility that manufactures and recycles UFOs for specific utilities.

Anyway, take a read. It's fun even if it is completely made up.

First link is his post and the second is a picture dump of the responses he gave to questions asked from forum users.

boards.4channel.org...

imgur.com...

After a few years away from ATS due to political right wingers taking over , Ive returned because of all the alien & bigfoot threads on the main page. Cool post & thanks

originally posted by: spartan002
a reply to: FingerMan

problem with religions especially christians in the ufo topic is that they view everything in a narrow lens. where anything that's not listed in the bible is demon/devil or something....

a levitating refrigerator?? ahh devil is up his dirty tricks again.

Just 200 years ago a iphone would have gotten you killed for being a witch .

originally posted by: FingerMan
His premise and some of this quotes are intriguing. I read the entire thread. And I think he has a genius imagination.

Or tells the truth, or something close enough to it.

One of the reasons I take his story serious is plausibility.

First of all, he knows about compartimentalization and how they have worked this out by having various expert teams that sequentially visit any crash-sites and all do their specialised (and well compartimentalized) thing.

Then he describes how they do investigations: in fact we are blundering about, making all kinds of mistakes whilst gradually learning. This is reality as I know it, especially when dealing with new or rare phenomena. He writes quite matter of factly, does not make us humans bigger than we are, actually points out our weakness when faced with a more developed species.

He also gives a perfectly good explanation why disclosure is not happening: what's the use? We already learned we can not do much against the "aliens", why scare the sheite out of otherwisely happy people, whilst not being able to give them any options to improve the situation. Probable again.

The nature of the "aliens", the way they simply avoid us / ignore us - makes sense to me too. It's like humans camping out: you tend to find yourself a place to stay that is not close to a lions den, or a bears hole. It's not that you could not shoot the lion, or the bear, but you simply don't want to take any unnecessary risk. And maybe not disturb the wildlife either.

The explanation of the various types and models of UP also is quite convincing. Either we have all kinds of aliens flying around here, all with more or less species-specific transport vehicles, or we have a few or perhaps just one superiour species, that uses "purpose built" flyware. I feel the latter is more plausible than the former.

There is more, but either indeed he has a heck of an imagination - it happens - in which case I don't understand why he is not writing a SF book, as it might well be a hit. Why waste this talent on 4chan..

All in all, I find many of his statements quite plausible. Let's see if more follows.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

what hurts his credibility is his emphasis on "lazer" for the weapons the et use, he claims they use these for everything.

laser aren't some mythical tech or something. he also claims they disintegrate everything with white laser beam, which is not likely as human made large laser need to focus on a target for quite a while before damaging it.

as much as i love ufo and prospect of ets, there is simply too much disinformation(intentionally probably) and hoxes. which ruin this hobby field imo.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: FingerMan



Just keep an open mind as your and I and many other US citizens are disposable. Just look at how they treat the Vets.

I won't go into detail on what I do for a living. But I can tell you this. The US Gov't does a million times more for its' vet's than any country in history. There is absolutely no debating this. No debate at all.

As a vet, I will also say that I am not impressed with the Veteran healthcare system. But again, it is still a million times better than anything any vet in any country in the history of man has received.

There are proud Vet's that are an absolute honor to be around, and there are whiny Vet's that complain about absolutely everything, and are truly nasty to people. I try to be the former. (Though I am guilty of being an azz on the internet)

Your last post was well posted, and well taken. (Except the part about vet's being treated badly)
I will try to be a little more open minded. It is hard. I have seen so many liars, and so many cons.

And if you believe these things are the Angels and Demons of the Biblical stories. Then you must also believe in prophecy. And if you do, then you know this is all part of a larger deception that will fool even the most elect.

And now that you understand my point of view on that, you would also understand why I would be 1,000,000,000x's skeptical of a random poster on 4chan.

I also have a robust imagination. Writing a book and getting an editor to pay me for it, seems like a lot of unnecessary work.

originally posted by: spartan002
a reply to: FingerMan

problem with religions especially christians in the ufo topic is that they view everything in a narrow lens. where anything that's not listed in the bible is demon/devil or something....

a levitating refrigerator?? ahh devil is up his dirty tricks again.

That my friend is a massive over generalization.

There are simple minded people from all backgrounds. Try not to look at some outliers and generalize an entire group based on them.

I believe the Bible is a much more massive story than meets the eye. I think the Bible speaks of other worlds prior to our own, and places us smack dab in the middle of a galactic tug of war. What others see this topic as Aliens that grew out of evolution as we did, I see as Son's of God living in this physical reality. If you pause on my last statement and think for a moment, it really turns the Aliens debate on its' head.

And what if they are almost as distant from God as we are. They know there is a God. They know his commandments, and what they must do. But they also must operate on Faith.

And while there are "The Watchers", as coined from the Book of Enoch. There are also the fallen ones. Who were banished to this Earth. And let the speculation begin on who/what they are.

So yes. I do have a focus. I have a frame of reference. It is the Bible. But, I am MUCH more open about what that reference could mean than most others.
And I think to have a reference gives everything more meaning. Sure. I could be wrong. But I do not believe that to be so. Matter of fact, I could have a debate on why the Bible is so amazingly correct in its' prophecies as to NEVER doubt it. The prophecies and story of Israel and the Messiah are too overwhelming to be cast aside. And yet that is what society has done. And you know what, the Bible predicted that too.

So even if this 4chan poster was not lying, and telling the truth from his point of view, he would still be 100% misleading and incorrect because he has no frame of reference for the anecdotal bits he posts.

My two cents.

originally posted by: spartan002
a reply to: ForteanOrg

what hurts his credibility is his emphasis on "lazer" for the weapons the et use, he claims they use these for everything.

laser aren't some mythical tech or something. he also claims they disintegrate everything with white laser beam, which is not likely as human made large laser need to focus on a target for quite a while before damaging it.

as much as i love ufo and prospect of ets, there is simply too much disinformation(intentionally probably) and hoxes. which ruin this hobby field imo.

Yes, the invention of the laser is well documented, the first laser was built in 1960 by plain old humans. Of course, it may be that it was based on reverse engineering from some "alien" tech, though unlikely. It is possible to inflict serious damage using lasers, especially high power lasers. But disintegrating entire structures with a laser is quite infeasible.

The questions are why is this big ship is here, sending out drones. What are they after or looking for?

When they get excited whenever there’s a nuke threat, why don’t they go out and permanently disable every nuke there is? They have the capability if they can travel the stars.

Or maybe they already have and the Governments don’t want us to know, btw when was the last time a nuke was tested that was verified?