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originally posted by: PorkChop96
I mean if you're looking at a leftist new site, sure, it will show that.

If you want to look at the real numbers, more children die in motor vehicles accidents each year than firearms.

Nope. Gun related deaths surpassed motor vehicle accidents in 2020, and have remained #1 since then.

a reply to: LordAhriman

oooh, 3 years out of the last 23

And do you know the causality of that? I will give you a hint: When the plandemic hit, all of these lunatic type people who believed all of the BS hype about how bad Covid was going to be went out and bought guns. And I would venture to say at least 75% of those new gun owners knew nothing about guns or gun safety. So more guns, and less gun safety knowledge, equals more deaths. But never been a gun problem, always a people/mental health problem.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Moon68
You must be high. Provide the proof.

I thought this was common knowledge.

www.kff.org... h-in-other-industrialized-nations/

wonder.cdc.gov...

www.nejm.org...

How many do you want?

Congenital abnormalities surpass firearm related deaths in children by a fair margin. If one were to remove gang related violence and suicides those numbers are miniscule in comparison to even car accidents. all about the narrative though.

a reply to: LordAhriman

"Gun related", so like suicides being included?

But I thought the left was all about deciding you can end your own life, but I guess if you do it with your gun, then it's terrible gun violence or something.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LordAhriman

"Gun related", so like suicides being included?

But I thought the left was all about deciding you can end your own life, but I guess if you do it with your gun, then it's terrible gun violence or something.

Suicide accounts for 29.5% of all gun related deaths among children 19 and under, that's 1285.3 out of 4357, which is nearly the same as SIDS deaths reported yearly.

originally posted by: ketsuko
But I thought the left was all about deciding you can end your own life

What???

I mean, people are going to do it if they want to do it, but what the hell are you talking about? If you're lumping me in with some loonies, I do a TON of volunteer work for suicide prevention.

Yes, gun related includes suicide, accidents, and homicides. Doesn't change the fact that guns are a factor in the #1 cause of death in children.

a reply to: Moon68

And where are children getting ahold of these guns? Aren't we supposed to all be about "protect the chidren" I mean we have to make a law so the teacher doesn't use a pronoun, but hey, kids getting guns is all cool? Whether they use it on themselves or others?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Moon68

And where are children getting ahold of these guns? Aren't we supposed to all be about "protect the chidren" I mean we have to make a law so the teacher doesn't use a pronoun, but hey, kids getting guns is all cool? Whether they use it on themselves or others?

Can you show me the legality of children purchasing guns?

How about where I said kids getting guns is cool?

Perhaps we should make laws denoting murder illegal. That should do it. Right?

a reply to: Moon68

I apologize to you as I meant to respond to Ketsuko, who justified the amount children's deaths by guns as suicides. Like since 29% of children's deaths by guns are suicide, it's not really that big of a deal.

a reply to: LordAhriman

Oh, so you don't believe that doctor assisted suicide should be a thing?

Suicide is suicide as far as I'm concerned and it makes little difference how it happens, with or without a doctor, but I guess for the left it matters, especially when you can lump the gun suicides in as gun violence.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Moon68

I apologize to you as I meant to respond to Ketsuko, who justified the amount children's deaths by guns as suicides. Like since 29% of children's deaths by guns are suicide, it's not really that big of a deal.

Not that big of a deal?

If you are making the claim that death by gun is the largest reason children die implying they are getting murdered which is how this statistic is often presented, then realizing that nearly 1 in every 3 of those deaths is by choice, by the hand of the person in question, is big deal.

It makes the statistic and the claim deceptive on its face as there is a big difference between someone who was murdered by another (most likely in gang related violence which is a problem NO ONE wants to talk about) and someone who chooses to kill themselves.

originally posted by: ketsuko

The fact is that a gun was used to kill those kids, regardless of how it happened. I feel like a lot of suicidal people wouldn't go through with it if they didn't have a gun. It's instant and painless. Every other method of suicide is painful and involves suffering. Another fact is that it's sad that it's so easy for kids to get ahold of a gun here to do so. It's a big problem no matter how you try to twist it. And STILL, firearm related deaths ARE the #1 cause of death of children in America. BUT TRANS PEOPLE! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?

originally posted by: ketsuko
Oh, so you don't believe that doctor assisted suicide should be a thing?

Only in the case of a terminally ill person with little to no chance of survival. I'd much rather go peacefully via a lethal injection vs. letting cancer eat me alive, and same goes for my loved ones.

a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly, as I said children getting a weapon and taking their own life. Again a law to protect them from a pronoun or from actual history making them "uncomfortable", but hey since they chose to take their own life it shouldn't count as a gun death? Seriously? The same people who claim children are too young to determine their sexuality, are a-ok to have access to a weapon to kill themselves?

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: PorkChop96
I mean if you're looking at a leftist new site, sure, it will show that.

If you want to look at the real numbers, more children die in motor vehicles accidents each year than firearms.

Nope. Gun related deaths surpassed motor vehicle accidents in 2020, and have remained #1 since then.

This is false (unless someone conflates or cherry picks data to confuse people).

Children 0-5 — the highest risk is infectious diseases with malnutrition possibly surpassing infectious diseases in the poorest zip codes in the US

Children 5-14 — accidental injuries are the highest cause of death with traffic fatalities, general injuries drowning and choking being the top 4

Teenagers 15-17 —accidental injuries (weighted away from drowning and choking), ODs and suicide are the top causes off death.

The only way someone can claim guns are a top ten cause of death for “children” is by pretending 18 and 19 year olds are children.

18-19 years olds do die from gun related incidents at approximately the same rate as traffic fatalities. But Gun violence is not the #1 cause of death for 18-19 year olds, accidental injuries (with a slightly different profile set than actual children) are the #1 cause by far and includes work related accidents, traffic fatalities and so on.

Gun related deaths are the #2 cause of death for 18-19 year olds, but this statistic is misleading. For one, a large % of the gun related deaths are suicides, and the vast majority of gun related homicides among 18-19 are gang/crime related in which both the victim and the perpetrator are involved in street crime.

None of that is good, but faking or cherry picking statistics is a surefire way to get people to not take statistics or claims from evidence as serious and to increase distrust and polarization.

From 1991 to 2021, the per capita (per 100,000) gun homicide rate DECREASED by about 25% across all age groups despite the number of rifles in the US increasing in that time frame, the ability to obtain a conceal carry permit and Vermont Carry (aka Constitutional Carry) increasing dramatically in those 3 decades.

The vast majority of gun related homicides are committed with handguns, and the majority of those are committed with handguns that are illegally possessed and used in organized crime and crime-related homicide.

Rifles, in total, as a weapon in a homicide, are quite rare, on par with knives, unarmed homicide, blunt force trauma.

All of this data is from publicly available US databases such as Federal stats, CDC (which misleadingly characterized the data in several ways), and other Federal databases.

originally posted by: JohnTitorSociety

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: PorkChop96
I mean if you're looking at a leftist new site, sure, it will show that.

If you want to look at the real numbers, more children die in motor vehicles accidents each year than firearms.

Nope. Gun related deaths surpassed motor vehicle accidents in 2020, and have remained #1 since then.

This is false (unless someone conflates or cherry picks data to confuse people).

Children 0-5 — the highest risk is infectious diseases with malnutrition possibly surpassing infectious diseases in the poorest zip codes in the US

Children 5-14 — accidental injuries are the highest cause of death with traffic fatalities, general injuries drowning and choking being the top 4

Teenagers 15-17 —accidental injuries (weighted away from drowning and choking), ODs and suicide are the top causes off death.

The only way someone can claim guns are a top ten cause of death for “children” is by pretending 18 and 19 year olds are children.

18-19 years olds do die from gun related incidents at approximately the same rate as traffic fatalities. But Gun violence is not the #1 cause of death for 18-19 year olds, accidental injuries (with a slightly different profile set than actual children) are the #1 cause by far and includes work related accidents, traffic fatalities and so on.

Gun related deaths are the #2 cause of death for 18-19 year olds, but this statistic is misleading. For one, a large % of the gun related deaths are suicides, and the vast majority of gun related homicides among 18-19 are gang/crime related in which both the victim and the perpetrator are involved in street crime.

None of that is good, but faking or cherry picking statistics is a surefire way to get people to not take statistics or claims from evidence as serious and to increase distrust and polarization.

From 1991 to 2021, the per capita (per 100,000) gun homicide rate DECREASED by about 25% across all age groups despite the number of rifles in the US increasing in that time frame, the ability to obtain a conceal carry permit and Vermont Carry (aka Constitutional Carry) increasing dramatically in those 3 decades.

The vast majority of gun related homicides are committed with handguns, and the majority of those are committed with handguns that are illegally possessed and used in organized crime and crime-related homicide.

Rifles, in total, as a weapon in a homicide, are quite rare, on par with knives, unarmed homicide, blunt force trauma.

All of this data is from publicly available US databases such as Federal stats, CDC (which misleadingly characterized the data in several ways), and other Federal databases.

Welcome to the hivemind.

Where the bias is real and facts don't matter.

Welcome to the hivemind.

Where the bias is real and facts don't matter.

I live in a world of exclusively fact, as measured by confidence interval.

I have beyond six sigma certainty that facts prevail over bias at a probability of near 1/1 of time, time being the only variable.

Confidence interval: “A confidence interval is the mean of your estimate plus and minus the variation in that estimate. This is the range of values you expect your estimate to fall between if you redo your test, within a certain level of confidence. Confidence, in statistics, is another way to describe probability.”

a reply to: JohnTitorSociety
You brought facts.
They won’t return.

Thanks for the info!

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: JohnTitorSociety
You brought facts.
They won’t return.

Thanks for the info!

Thank you. When I bring facts, I mag dump.

a reply to: infolurker

The 80s called they want their paint job back.