Do YOU Feel The FBI Needs to Be Restructured -or- Eliminated -or- Left Alone?.

a reply to: carewemust

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

constitution.congress.gov...

Article III
Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

It's not so much the structure. It's the infiltration at key levels and positions. A purge would be difficult as many implants will not be detected. 😬

originally posted by: xuenchen
It's not so much the structure. It's the infiltration at key levels and positions. A purge would be difficult as many implants will not be detected. 😬

And 80% of the FBI (or more) are Democrats. Democrats who blasted Senator Rand Paul for "outing" the bullsh'it whistle blower Adam Schiff dug up to impeach President Trump.

Senator Rand Paul Reads the name ERIC CIARAMELLA in open forum!!!

GASP!!: www.politico.com...

CIARAMELLA and ALEXANDER VINDMAN, along with ADAM SCHIFF...CONSPIRED to impeach President Trump for asking Zelenskyy to investigate former Vice President JOE BIDEN.

THEY MUST NOT BE LET OFF THE HOOK!!

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: carewemust

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

constitution.congress.gov...

Article III
Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

“The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.“

Plus this

“ The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed”

Establishes the Constitutionality of Federal criminal statutes and enforcement thereof.

originally posted by: JohnTitorSociety

originally posted by: carewemust
Thursday, May 18, 2023

In addition to the 103 "problems" involving our Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) shown on this list...Here: lists.grabien.com... , And by Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org...

Earlier this week, PROOF the FBI (at the request of President Obama) attempting to damage President elect/President Donald J. Trump was revealed in a +300-page Special Counsel Investigator report...

John Durham, a Special Counsel assigned to review the investigation of former President Trump's ties to Russia, concluded authorities didn’t have sufficient information to open the case.

While Durham does not recommend any new charges in his final 305-page report, he offers a scathing assessment of the FBI’s process in how it launched and carried out the investigation, which was known as “Crossfire Hurricane.”

Continued at: thehill.com...

-As First Reported in 2020-

It looks like President Obama ordered up phony RussiaGate scandal.

Details: nypost.com...


TODAY, current and former FBI Agents testified to Congress how the agency has ruined, and is ruining their lives, simply because they reported actions, processes, communications, etc., within the agency that were not proper...or downright illegal.

News Article description of their Testimonies: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Congressional Report on their Testimonies: judiciary.house.gov... hts-government-abuse-misallocation-of-resources-and-retaliation-sm.pdf


TO BE FAIR, the FBI does prevent Americans from being killed. But evidence of those instances is few and far between. So it's not clear if the FBI saves 5 or 500 lives @ year.

IN MY OPINION, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (especially the modern version) does more HARM to our country than GOOD for our country. As taxpayers, we are their bosses, and we should be the ones who determine the FBI's fate.

If you have thoughts on what should happen to, or within the FBI, you're invited to share them.

-CareWeMust

If it’s salvageable the most simple solution is to flatten the hierarchy and turn it into an agile organization. Redistribute all of the assets in DC to field offices. Have a single cabinet member oversea the network of field offices and have them run on their own.

99% of actual FBI work is in the field offices. Everything in DC is just bureaucracy and counterintelligence (and the FBI doesn’t need a centralized counterintelligence group — that is outside the scope of its original mission), and a handful of major cases that are usually politically motivated since J Edgar Hoover’s time.

Alternatively, just attrition out most of the personnel and transfer 96% of the work to state-based joint task forces, and the rest to DHS/CBP/etc.

Identify and remove the corrupt people, and the restructuring should be easier.

The head of the Center For Disease Control, Rochelle Walensky, suddenly threw in the towel last week, because her efforts to restructure parts of that agency were met with such resistance, she snapped.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: JohnTitorSociety

originally posted by: carewemust
Thursday, May 18, 2023

In addition to the 103 "problems" involving our Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) shown on this list...Here: lists.grabien.com... , And by Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org...

Earlier this week, PROOF the FBI (at the request of President Obama) attempting to damage President elect/President Donald J. Trump was revealed in a +300-page Special Counsel Investigator report...

John Durham, a Special Counsel assigned to review the investigation of former President Trump's ties to Russia, concluded authorities didn’t have sufficient information to open the case.

While Durham does not recommend any new charges in his final 305-page report, he offers a scathing assessment of the FBI’s process in how it launched and carried out the investigation, which was known as “Crossfire Hurricane.”

Continued at: thehill.com...

-As First Reported in 2020-

It looks like President Obama ordered up phony RussiaGate scandal.

Details: nypost.com...


TODAY, current and former FBI Agents testified to Congress how the agency has ruined, and is ruining their lives, simply because they reported actions, processes, communications, etc., within the agency that were not proper...or downright illegal.

News Article description of their Testimonies: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Congressional Report on their Testimonies: judiciary.house.gov... hts-government-abuse-misallocation-of-resources-and-retaliation-sm.pdf


TO BE FAIR, the FBI does prevent Americans from being killed. But evidence of those instances is few and far between. So it's not clear if the FBI saves 5 or 500 lives @ year.

IN MY OPINION, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (especially the modern version) does more HARM to our country than GOOD for our country. As taxpayers, we are their bosses, and we should be the ones who determine the FBI's fate.

If you have thoughts on what should happen to, or within the FBI, you're invited to share them.

-CareWeMust

If it’s salvageable the most simple solution is to flatten the hierarchy and turn it into an agile organization. Redistribute all of the assets in DC to field offices. Have a single cabinet member oversea the network of field offices and have them run on their own.

99% of actual FBI work is in the field offices. Everything in DC is just bureaucracy and counterintelligence (and the FBI doesn’t need a centralized counterintelligence group — that is outside the scope of its original mission), and a handful of major cases that are usually politically motivated since J Edgar Hoover’s time.

Alternatively, just attrition out most of the personnel and transfer 96% of the work to state-based joint task forces, and the rest to DHS/CBP/etc.

Identify and remove the corrupt people, and the restructuring should be easier.

The head of the Center For Disease Control, Rochelle Walensky, suddenly threw in the towel last week, because her efforts to restructure parts of that agency were met with such resistance, she snapped.

Agree in principle — but in bureaucracies and large companies, an executive will generally have much more strong legal footing and effective outcomes if they fundamentally restructure a department or company through identification of redundancies, scalable efficiencies and other operational actions that do not target individual employees but rather the structure of the organization.

This is especially true in government and in the Federal government. Individual employees in DC for example, can challenge individual terminations through Byzantine administrative law procedures and other processes.

Shutting down an entire division or group or office does not have the same process challenges.

Compare to BRAC process (mil base restructuring and closure). Every Congressman would fight a mil base being closed or relocated out of their district, so Congress setup the BRAC committees and processes to reduce the intergovernmental friction of altering domestic force structures.

originally posted by: xuenchen
It's not so much the structure. It's the infiltration at key levels and positions. A purge would be difficult as many implants will not be detected. 😬

So then, nuke it all and start over.

originally posted by: JohnTitorSociety

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: carewemust

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

constitution.congress.gov...

Article III
Section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section 2
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

“The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.“

Plus this

“ The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed”

Establishes the Constitutionality of Federal criminal statutes and enforcement thereof.

To caveat that, the USG must have a cognizable interest to pass a criminal law, for example interstate crimes have a cognizable interest in being adjudicated in Federal district courts in the states where the interstate crime occurred as they involve multiple states with theoretically equal standing to prosecute, creating potential non-productive jurisdictional fights.

Another simple example is espionage or treason, the USG has the cognizable interest in prosecuting such crimes because espionage or treason is committed against the people of the entire United States, rather than those of an individual state.

There’s certainly grey areas and areas where Federal law has become over broad — outside of prosecuting major interstate smugglers & traffickers, the war of drugs has obviously been a failure and most drug dealing crimes are only tenuously interstate (working with a gang in Boyle Heights in SoCal who incidentally receive their drugs from an interstate or international source arguable does not present a cognizable interest to the U.S., and should be generally handled at the state level if one agrees that low level drug dealing offense prosecution has any impact on the drug trade (the bulk of the evidence suggests it does not, as the 1994 crime bill and mandatory minimums did not fundamentally alter the risk economics dealers were willing to take in this black market).

Complicated business.

I wholly agree the USG has too many criminal statutes (and all statutes on the books) and that much of it should be devolved to the states where interstate interests are tenuous and not primarily jurisdictional, for example.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2
a reply to: carewemust

The FBI are a tool just like the RCMP here and their equivalents in other countries.

From what I can see they are all acting the same, in unison, controlled by some unknown entity.

This march towards tyranny is akin to 15 minute cities, wokeism, the jab, the climate agenda, digital currency, and “fact checking” AKA “The Ministry of Truth”.

It’s everywhere, global, and in “lockstep”.

We need to decapitate the head of this monster and it’s evil little appendages will wither and die.

Maybe the "head" of this global monster is SATAN himself? (I don't mean George Soros)

“Ten percent for the Big Guy”

Simple - Easy - Eliminated, period. Actually, while we're at it, we should just get rid of ALL of the alphabet companies and spy agencies. Let's just go ahead and clean house on both parties and have a complete election re-do with marker voting. It might take forever but you'll have less arguments and people can finally get a real feel on what their votes really looked like over the years vs a good old pen and ink mark on a paper ballot.

originally posted by: LittleJake
a reply to: carewemust

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

constitution.congress.gov...

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

This clause is also controlling as to Federal crimes:
“to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States”

The Federal judiciary specifically exists to handle these three particular matters — which again is mostly about jurisdiction — absent a Federal judicial system, someone could commit a crime against you in one state, be politically connected, use connections to avoid extradition, and you, the victim in another state would have no recourse.

The bolder clause where it says “in the state” is a direction to the Federal judiciary about where the jury trial must take place. Before there were lots of Federal judges, Justices and judges had to be assigned a circuit and hear cases of fact in that circuit — this was anticipated to be very in effective so the Constitution gave Congress the power to create circuit courts and district courts.

An individual still has a right to trial by a jury in the state where the crime occurred, but in front of a Federal judge (and possibly with personal and subject matter jurisdiction in two or more states) and where the appellate courts can overrule the local district judge’s decisions on the jurisdiction of first resort and say, the matter is more properly tried in a Federal court in State B rather than State A.

Don't people understand, yet that it just does not matter?

You've got a cancer that has metastasized and spread, covering your entire body but you're looking at that one mole and asking yourself, "should I have that removed?"

5.23.2023

When the top corrupt few at the DOJ are finally busted, the CASCADE of Biden (and other families) criminal activities will leave most Americans stunned and speechless.

Hunter's Daughter's Mom wants him jailed, immediately: www.foxnews.com...

www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
Don't people understand, yet that it just does not matter?

You've got a cancer that has metastasized and spread, covering your entire body but you're looking at that one mole and asking yourself, "should I have that removed?"

The FBI is desperate to get the fancy new Headquarters Building promised by Congress, when it was led by Democrats.

However, the new GOP Congress is threatening to cancel the project until recent/current FBI crimes (not "alleged" crimes) can be explained: www.politico.com...

GOOD!

looking back at our history getting rid of fbi would just bring back something worse that's not restrained by Congress, like the pinkertons, who by the way still exists as a corporation.

a reply to: LittleJake

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

you dont see where it says the US Constitution is the supreme law of the united states? the union isn't voluntary and states can be overruled by force if necessary.

originally posted by: namehere
looking back at our history getting rid of fbi would just bring back something worse that's not restrained by Congress, like the pinkertons, who by the way still exists as a corporation.

If the FBI is not following the law, the FBI makes itself an illegitimate/fake Law Keeper, doesn't it?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: namehere
looking back at our history getting rid of fbi would just bring back something worse that's not restrained by Congress, like the pinkertons, who by the way still exists as a corporation.

If the FBI is not following the law, the FBI makes itself an illegitimate/fake Law Keeper, doesn't it?

If any subservient member or body of a federal, state or local executive violates their oath, violates the law or nullifies laws, that member or body loses delegated qualified sovereign immunity.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: LittleJake

I don't see anything in this that gives the federal government authority over domestic law enforcement.

you dont see where it says the US Constitution is the supreme law of the united states? the union isn't voluntary and states can be overruled by force if necessary.

I definitely do not see this statement of yours in the US Constitution.

The Constitution does arrogate supremacy of law for those things explicitly defined in the Constitution.

Anything not explicitly defined, is exempt explicitly reserved to the States, Territories, and Individuals by the 10th Amendment.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
Don't people understand, yet that it just does not matter?

You've got a cancer that has metastasized and spread, covering your entire body but you're looking at that one mole and asking yourself, "should I have that removed?"

If people listened to those who could demonstrate expertise by speech and act, rather than credential, most problems would disappear in a year.