Christians Targeted with Holy Spirit Ouija Board

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

My town was small, but not that small.

There was always the possiblity that parents are good guesses and inquisitors. I know it seemed my mom had eyes in the back of her head.

Its fun finding out now with my adult kids all the stuff I DIDN"T know about when they were teens!

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Degradation33

It's always interesting to see peoples' unshakeable faith get effortlessly shaken. Note that I said interesting, not constructive. Like watching a paraplegic jump out of his chair because a spider fell in his lap.

Unshakable faith?
Evidently the bible teaches just the opposite about faith
Its fleeting
bible.knowing-jesus.com...
Many times the faithful are called to hold on despite the evidence or lack thereof

Interesting how you are in a thread about misrepresenting christianity
Simple message is lost because

Defy ignorance, is the motto of the new and improved forum. As you can see there are abundant experiences suggesting that fear is the enemy, not occult tools and alternative faiths. Fear grows in ignorance like weeds.

All that glitters is gold. Deceptions are nothing new. Guard your heart for your life flows from it.

a reply to: whereislogic

I will not dispute with anyone that a person using one can end up "possessed", I just have an ENTIRELY different view for why that occurs.

I extend that to all divination and intuition occulty practices. It can be a valuable tool to probe your unconscious, mostly because the ideomotor reflex is "of the shadow self", but tapping the unconscious mind can really do some damage. It contains all positive and negative constructs of society and self. And one could argue the home of superstition.

This caught my eye.

A girl tried to commit suicide after the Ouija board gave her a message, supposedly from her dead father, saying: ‘It’s wonderful here. Why don’t you join me? The secretary of the Spiritualist Association of Great Britain said: “Public sale of these . . . boards should be banned . . . The forces they release are irresponsible and dangerous.”

It's a false causal connection (red herring fallacy?) to determine that it is anything supernatural. It omits the entire school of thought where she unconsciously made it say what she wanted her dead father to say and then reacted to it. It's like thinking a ghost is moving curtains without recognizing that the fan is actually moving them.

While I can't dispute people can end up seething caricatures of textbook possession I can dispute how they arrived at that point.

You can turn a dartboard into a demonic device.

You simply assign each number an answer and say "If I stand at fifteen feet the spirits will guide my dart to the correct answer." A person can then become unhealthy and obsessed with their communication device and arrive at similar suicidal conclusions believing some personal spirit is guiding their intuitive dart.

My opinion, which doesn't need to work for others, is that it's all smoke and mirrors obfuscating the underlying psychological issue. "What happens when true belief opens up the unconscious mind and arranges superstitions around interchangable rituals and divination practices?"

For me, the caution is against the dangers of using superstition and the ideomotor reflex as a coping mechanism.

But we both arrive at the same endpoint.

Spirit boards can have dangerous side effects because people are ignorant to what their doing with them.

The devil's just in the details.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Degradation33

It's always interesting to see peoples' unshakeable faith get effortlessly shaken. Note that I said interesting, not constructive. Like watching a paraplegic jump out of his chair because a spider fell in his lap.

Unshakable faith?
Evidently the bible teaches just the opposite about faith
Its fleeting
bible.knowing-jesus.com...
Many times the faithful are called to hold on despite the evidence or lack thereof

Interesting how you are in a thread about misrepresenting christianity
Simple message is lost because

Defy ignorance, is the motto of the new and improved forum. As you can see there are abundant experiences suggesting that fear is the enemy, not occult tools and alternative faiths. Fear grows in ignorance like weeds.

Fear not is the idea. Sometimes it is way harder than others to fear not... I have had times where my mind said do something that wasn't safe because it needed doing that my body said NOPE are you crazy!

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: KKLOCO

I never got much out of Ouija boards, they just sat motionless and I'd fall asleep.

I had a friend when I was in HS. Her father and his girlfriend were both professors at NMSU. They got together for Ouija sessions one of twice a week. It freaked my friend out. She claimed that the Ouija told her father all her high school girl secrets. Like if we told him we were going to the school football game, and actually went down to the river to smoke pot, he would know before we even got back. This was in the 70s so there werent tracking devices yet. I don't think he followed us either, as we started out where we were supposed to be.

It told him things about me that he couldn't know.

After that, I never tried again.....

If I was at a party in the 90's and one of those got pulled out, I hit the road. Didn't wanna be part of it, never have wanted to be part of anything that opens a door. I've seen enough unexplainable things (occasional drinker back then, never did drugs) and didn't need to pile onto them. And this fake ass Christian ouija board, hell no.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: infolurker

1 John. 2:19 ---

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

The truth catholic (note the lower case c, not Roman) church is not shrinking, not losing membership, not dying. It is sloughing off dead weight and false professors.

Most anybody lacking in discernment and clueless and stupidv enough to fall for this probably never had much of a real spiritual awakening to begin with.

I am not shaken.

1 Timothy 4:1 ---

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,...

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Exactly. We were taught this stuff as kids, and later in life (recently) mocked for our beliefs. Now the things we were taught are coming to fruition. The Bible also says it will be difficult to raise a child in the society the comes before the end of days and look where we are with that.

I wouldn't like to make our god regret me for the wrong reasons. Anything creating division is unclean. Morality is a tool to stray. The universal consciousness is a body to grow out of. Children are given the freedom to be ignorant. There's nothing we can do wrong. We do everything wrong. It's the balance of duality which creates the gate that is the way, one pillar doesn't make a gate. Symmetry rules over chaos as a spark illuminating the proceeding light like restoring the way like a descending star.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: KKLOCO

I never got much out of Ouija boards, they just sat motionless and I'd fall asleep.

I had a friend when I was in HS. Her father and his girlfriend were both professors at NMSU. They got together for Ouija sessions one of twice a week. It freaked my friend out. She claimed that the Ouija told her father all her high school girl secrets. Like if we told him we were going to the school football game, and actually went down to the river to smoke pot, he would know before we even got back. This was in the 70s so there werent tracking devices yet. I don't think he followed us either, as we started out where we were supposed to be.

It told him things about me that he couldn't know.

After that, I never tried again.....

Me and a buddy was ditching class one day setting at his dinning table and decided to mess with a Ouija board after a few minutes we noticed the light starting to move back and forth then all the dishes in the china cabinet behind me started falling over , We got up and ran out of the house as we come around the corner of the house he picked up a shovel , I looked at him and said what are you going to do with that it's dead already , He said well you going to see me crack the dead thing in the head with this shovel , LOL Turns out it was a earthquake boy you can't pay for a ride like that lol

Yeah, coincidentally huh... One time in church, had to be late 80's or early 90's, our Preacher was telling us about an exorcism he was called to see. He, along with the rest of us, were Southern Baptists so I don't know how that works since those are usually a Catholic thing. Anyways, there was a weird woman who went there off and on. Right in the middle of him telling us about that exorcism, her MF'ing head went back and she let out the most demonic sounding, guttural moan and growl I've ever heard. Our congregation back then only consisted of about 50 people, but we all cleared out of that sanctuary. The Preacher's wife's name was Clarice and my mom still laughs when she tells her angle of the story because she said all she kept hearing was the Preacher saying "Clarice, CLARICE! Don't you leave me in here!" Turns out, she supposedly just had a seizure, but it was unlike one I've ever heard since then. I was only 10 or 11 so my mind could've been playing tricks, but I swear when her head dropped back, I could see her tongue flickering. It looked like she should've broke her neck how far back it went.

a reply to: LSU2018

That would have left a mark on me had I witnessed that!

originally posted by: Untun
I wouldn't like to make our god regret me for the wrong reasons. Anything creating division is unclean. Morality is a tool to stray. The universal consciousness is a body to grow out of. Children are given the freedom to be ignorant. There's nothing we can do wrong. We do everything wrong. It's the balance of duality which creates the gate that is the way, one pillar doesn't make a gate. Symmetry rules over chaos as a spark illuminating the proceeding light like restoring the way like a descending star.

Sounds like some new agey bologna......Jesus is the way.

a reply to: GoShredAK

The right ones find God because they are wrong. You have the right to be wrong. Only problems can be solved, what is right needs to become wrong first to never become right again.

originally posted by: Untun
a reply to: GoShredAK

The right ones find God because they are wrong. You have the right to be wrong. Only problems can be solved, what is right needs to become wrong first to never become right again.

In order to never be right again one must be left forevermore, which you say is right? .......interesting.....

a reply to: infolurker

I was just reading the Amazon comments from Americans and they give it a 4.2 out of 5. Other countries gave all bad reviews.

This is how they are advertising it:

Unlike other spirit boards, this one will NEVER contact evil ghosts or demons, so you can ask your questions with an assured sense of safety.

But they don't explain how this board will never contact evil ghosts or demons. Odd I must say.

ETA:

Oh I see, the planchette is a magic cross, that must be it.

a reply to: quintessentone

LOL,

Because they lied? How are you going to prove them wrong?

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: quintessentone

LOL,

Because they lied? How are you going to prove them wrong?

I mean the cross is guiding you, how can it not be safe? Seriously! If one's faith is strong then belief in the cross's power will get you straight to the Holy Spirit and when used at a party with other partygoers, well the belief power is then multiplied. No demon has a chance.

Why did the manufacturers put a very sad face on the Holy Spirit on the front of the board game?

onlysky.media...

a reply to: infolurker

Yeah that is door you don't want to open, because then "they" decide when they will close it, not humans.

People have no idea what they are opening themselves up to.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Degradation33

It's always interesting to see peoples' unshakeable faith get effortlessly shaken. Note that I said interesting, not constructive. Like watching a paraplegic jump out of his chair because a spider fell in his lap.

Unshakable faith?
Evidently the bible teaches just the opposite about faith
Its fleeting
bible.knowing-jesus.com...
Many times the faithful are called to hold on despite the evidence or lack thereof

Interesting how you are in a thread about misrepresenting christianity
Simple message is lost because

Defy ignorance, is the motto of the new and improved forum. As you can see there are abundant experiences suggesting that fear is the enemy, not occult tools and alternative faiths. Fear grows in ignorance like weeds.

Fear?
Just that faith is clearly shakeable, hence why the bible repeats, over and over, hold onto faith in spite of life

"unshakeable faith get effortlessly shaken"
just interested where you find this unshakeable faith verse? Pretty sure every single apostle mentioned in the bible, lost their faith?
“Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.”
Clearly misinformed

a reply to: Degradation33

The Ouija Board—How Can It Affect You? (Awake!—1975)

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A Result of the “Subconscious”?

What makes the indicator on a Ouija board scurry back and forth spelling out messages? Is it due to the “subconscious” of the person (or persons) working the board, as some have suggested?

Evidence indicates otherwise, for information received through the Ouija board often is not and could not be known or produced by the person operating it. Russell Chandler, religion writer for the Los Angeles Times, explains: “A reporter tried unsuccessfully to get any of three physicists queried at Caltech in Pasadena to offer a scientific explanation for Ouija power.”

What Makes It Work?

The Bible, however, sheds light on what makes the mysterious Ouija board work. How so?

As a way of probing into the unknown, the Ouija board is a form of divination. The Bible, at 1 Samuel 15:23, places divination parallel with the use of “uncanny power.” Many who use the Ouija board attest to acquiring “psychic” ability, a truly uncanny, mysterious power that enables them to know things about other persons and events without using normal means of communication. What could be behind that power?

The Bible book of Acts of the Apostles pinpoints the source of a certain servant girl’s ability to predict the future as being “a spirit, a demon of divination.” When the apostle Paul ordered the spirit to “come out of her,” she lost her power of prediction. (Acts 16:16-19) Could the Ouija board, too, involve wicked spirits, or demons?* Consider some effects of its use. [*: See The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life, chapter 7, “Are There Wicked Spirits?”]

“Some researchers warn,” observes Russell Chandler, “that the game can lure the susceptible into the weird world of spirit communication​—even demonic possession.” Harold Sherman, president of the ESP Research Associates Foundation in Little Rock, Arkansas, observes: “The majority who have become involved with possessive and other spirit entities came by this experience through the Ouija board.”

Writer Alan Vaughan, who never had a psychic experience until the age of twenty-eight and had been skeptical about such things, relates what happened to him:

“It began on November 7, 1965, when I was trying out a newly purchased Ouija board to amuse a friend convalescing from an operation. . . . ‘Spirits’ began to appear on the board. One, who called himself ‘Z,’ answered our questions accurately and with a peculiarly old-fashioned vocabulary.

“Later, I began to experiment alone with the Ouija and soon found myself ‘possessed’ by a rather neurotic personality who called herself ‘Nada.’ . . . But then, both to my fascination and fear, ‘Nada’ got inside my head. I could hear her voice repeating the same phrases over and over again. . . . I took my Ouija to visit a friend to investigate further what was happening. I felt the presence of ‘Z’ and across the room my friend announced that the pointer was starting to move. It went to ‘Z’ and then spelled out a message: ‘Awful consequences​—possession.’ At that point I became alarmed, for it had not occurred to me that having a strange voice in one’s head was tantamount to possession.”

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“Psychological Russian Roulette”

Some object that most people do not have such unusual experiences with the Ouija board. But should that make any difference? Should you explore something that both the Bible and real-life experiences show can be related to “wicked spirit forces”? (Eph. 6:12) Surely the Scriptures are reasonable when asking: “Can a man rake together fire into his bosom and yet his very garments not be burned?”​—Prov. 6:27.

Many indeed have been “burned,” adversely affected, by experimenting with the Ouija board or in other ways trying to develop psychic powers. Says Dr. Harmon H. Bro, social scientist and specialist in psychology: “Psychic development is like playing psychological Russian roulette​—like being hypnotized by a stranger of unknown training and intent.”

The connection of the Ouija board with divination, spiritism and “uncanny power,” all of which God disapproves, along with the frightening experiences that many have had, makes it plain that experimenting with the Ouija board could have only a detrimental effect on you.​—Deut. 18:10-12.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: infolurker
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But they don't explain how this board will never contact evil ghosts or demons. Odd I must say.

ETA:

Oh I see, the planchette is a magic cross, that must be it.

Which would be ironic if you consider the pagan history of the cross: