UFO’s stopping vehicles, Mircowaves?

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a reply to: Jukiodone

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: DaRAGE
That's exactly what the EM drive does. And it works does it not?

It does not work. Have you been hiding under a rock since 2021?

When truth attacks!

The JPL data initially got refuted circa 2018 after a Navy review - of which I cant seem to find the name of the Navy scientist involved (he was named at the time) or which Naval Dept. he worked for (was also named).
If anyone can remember - would appreciate a link..cant shake the feeling it was one of Pais' former dept.s (insert ominous music).

Hi Cabbie,
Great follow up questions,
The “torquing” I spoke of earlier is one of two physical effects caused by the use of rotating microwaves.
Notice I said rotating microwaves. It’s a little different than using the analogy of how a microwave wave oven works.
Yes the microwaves are generated with a Klystron amplifier but a much different design and structure.
The other effects occurs from the use of the Meta Material “sandwich” which has a secondary effect of vacuum polarization and causing the air or water to be held back away from the outer hull by about 12 inches or so. The primary effect is the displacement of gravity away from the craft.
Sorry for not giving more details. Headed to church in a few minutes with the wife and grandkids.
Talk more later,
Cheers
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Interesting read…..from Popular Mechanics

Wait, Could Plasma Thrusters Really Replace Jet Engines?

The plasma is magnified by high-intensity microwaves and pressurized air.

For the down into the weeds Techies….a research paper…. Jet propulsion by microwave air plasma in the atmosphere

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Interesting read…..from Popular Mechanics

Wait, Could Plasma Thrusters Really Replace Jet Engines?

The plasma is magnified by high-intensity microwaves and pressurized air.

For the down into the weeds Techies….a research paper…. Jet propulsion by microwave air plasma in the atmosphere

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Supposedly they are a decade away but they seem to not be able to figure it out yet. I'm just tinkering around here in my mind with positively charging electrons with elements from the periodic table (maybe Bob Lazar's 115 or the elements from 115?), not using propellent (why can't we just let it go?) ...

Electrons accelerated by a magnetic field to run in a ring around that channel -- described as a "buzz saw" by Jorns -- knock electrons off the propellant atoms and turn them into positively charged ions. However, calculations suggested that if a Hall thruster tried to drive more propellant through the engine, the electrons whizzing in a ring would get knocked out of the formation, breaking down that "buzz saw" function.

Running with krypton, a lighter gas, they maxed out their power supply at 45 kilowatts. At an overall efficiency of 51%, they achieved their maximum thrust of about 1.8 Newtons, on par with the much larger 100-kilowatt-class X3 Hall thruster.

"This is kind of a crazy result because typically, krypton performs a lot worse than xenon on Hall thrusters. So it's very cool and an interesting path forward to see that we can actually improve krypton's performance relative to xenon by increasing the thruster current density," Su said.

www.sciencedaily.com...

Maybe this is where the Meta Metallic sandwich needs to come in (?) they just need the right recipe.

ETA:

Editor's note: After this story was first published, we heard from Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell who directed the documentary "Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers" and is very familiar with Lazar. Corbell emailed us some additional information about Lazar and element 115 that we've excerpted here: "When Lazar first came forward in 1989, he made a point to explain that there's no reason a version of element 115 couldn't be synthesized and observed at some point in the future. In fact — he predicted that it would be observed (as did many) — just likely not in a stabilized form (because of the statistical improbability of landing on a relevant isotope). ... The [isotope discovered in 2003] is not the isotope that would account for what Lazar has described having had access to while working at Area 51 (Site 4). Lazar reports that the 115 he had access to was far more stable.

"My understanding of Lazar's thinking is that with the advances in bombardment techniques new isotopic combinations would be achieved. However — just like how gold has 37 different isotopes and only one isotope is stable — 115 is suspected to have MOSTLY rapid decay isotopes... So hopefully in the future we will land on a version with a longer half-life — even if it just ends up being a few atoms of it. That would be cool — and one day will likely happen," Corbell said.

science.howstuffworks.com...

When you turn on a flashlight...the photons emitted are used as thrust for the flashlight.

So I'm speculating...that a foo fighter that utilizes an active, spinning micro-mini black hole (MMBH) as its propulsion system, which is housed inside some kind of stasis tube --- Should have two polar photon jets being emitted from the accretion disc of the MMBH. Those polar jets are funneled towards thruster outlet tubes for the starship.

So how is an active MMBH propulsion system be fed photons --- in order for the polar jets to exist --- in places that lack starlight photons as a food source?

My guess: The photon plasma food, is generated between two magnetic shields that surrounds the starship. A small amount of deuterium from seawater, is injected between the two magnetic fields --- One or both magnetic shields are pressed together with extreme pressure...until the fusion reaction occurs.

a reply to: Erno86

originally posted by: Jukiodone
When truth attacks!

The JPL data initially got refuted circa 2018 after a Navy review - of which I cant seem to find the name of the Navy scientist involved (he was named at the time) or which Naval Dept. he worked for (was also named).
If anyone can remember - would appreciate a link..cant shake the feeling it was one of Pais' former dept.s (insert ominous music).

I don't know about the Navy review, but Martin Tajmar and his associates also had an early paper out in 2018 where they already thought measurement errors needed to be considered more carefully on tests of both the EM drive and the Mach-effect drive.

But it wasn't until years later that his team would publish a paper saying ALL the EM drive results were false positives and they could prove it.

originally posted by: quintessentone
"Editor's note: After this story was first published, we heard from Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell who directed the documentary "Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers" and is very familiar with Lazar...

Lazar reports that the 115 he had access to was far more stable."

As the OP already said, Lazar's story is not credible so why bring that up? Remember this from the OP?

originally posted by: spaceflyr
...Definitely worth looking into instead of chasing the fraud Bob Lazar and element 115 nonsense.

originally posted by: quintessentone
"However — just like how gold has 37 different isotopes and only one isotope is stable — 115 is suspected to have MOSTLY rapid decay isotopes..."

None of the isotopes of element 115 are predicted to be anywhere near stable, they all have short half-lives. See all of the half-life predictions here, the first entry for each isotope below the isotope number:


I don't recommend believing anything Corbell says, his own video shows he and Lazar are deceiving us, as shown here:

Hi Bad Cabbie,

This is a clip from your previous question that I wanted to return to and answer

Your questions,
I suppose another good question for you would be to ask what are the terms for the basic scientific principles being exploited to make such a design work. It would be nice to provide technical terms so that interested readers can research the principles and educate themselves.

Ok so let me try to answer in a manner that you can visualize better.

What is going on is this, so bear with me I might get long winded. Speaking only to the craft that is used to test with, there are two wave microwave waveguides that are in the shape of a torus. Each one is about 26 feet in diameter. one sits atop the other separated by about 2 inches. Microwaves are introduced into the torus by an emitter from a different high powered Klystron microwave amplifier that’s a much different design than the one you find in your home microwave oven. The microwaves are literally guided in the waveguide to spin in a particular direction. One torus has a clockwise rotation and the other torus has a counterclockwise rotation. The wave guides are made of of what is termed a Meta Material. The microwaves cause an ultra strong diamagnetic field to occur that permeates throughout the craft as a whole. The entire craft becomes enveloped in a very strong rotating diamagnetic field. It’s the diamagnetism of this field that cause a reaction to the gravity field that is interacting with what we call the mass field of the test craft or simply put, the static mass of the test craft. As the diamagnetic field starts spinning it will start breaking down the hold gravity has on the craft. As it spins faster it will lost weight as it continues to break the hold it’s mass has with gravity. At a certain speed the craft becomes what we call buoyant or free floating. Spin the fields faster the craft rises ONLY vertical.
To move the craft in a particular direction other than vertical, both rotating microwave fields are torqued in a particular direction and the craft will move in that direction. Now some other aspects are if we swap which tours has the clockwise rotation with the torus that has the counterclockwise rotation we can cause the craft to become heavier than you can imagine by causing the craft to “appear” much heavier than normal as gravity “sees” the mass of the craft.
Ok so that’s the visualization of the operation of it. What’s really interesting is that none of the effects of breaking down gravity can occur without the Meta Material that Raytheon used to build the waveguides. The Meta Material looks like a foil about 3/4 to 7/8 of and inch thick with a honeycomb look to it before it is milled to tolerances. It contains mostly Bismuth, Cobalt, Magnesium, Copper and Zinc mostly using Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry to show those base elements. There are other metal alloys and proprietary dropping components in the Meta Material but it’s mostly the five that I listed.
The key is the diamagnetism at such a high intensity and at particular frequency that causes the breakdown gravity has on the mass of the craft. Shield that mass entirely and gravity can’t “see” it.
I used quotes on certain words to stress the importance of understanding that concept to the layman.
We can do all the math you want if you like but I think you might get bored with it and lose interest.
Just to add this, when I say the microwave fields are torqued think of a tilt in a particular direction to move the craft that direction.
Hope this helps.
Cheers

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

a reply to: spaceflyr

If the craft is piloted…….what are the physiological ramifications to the human body based on….

The microwaves cause an ultra strong diamagnetic field to occur that permeates throughout the craft as a whole. The entire craft becomes enveloped in a very strong rotating diamagnetic field.

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originally posted by: spaceflyr
As it spins faster it will lost weight as it continues to break the hold it’s mass has with gravity.
...We can do all the math you want if you like but I think you might get bored with it and lose interest.

I would be very interested in seeing the math of how what you describe spinning faster can break the hold its mass has with gravity.

Hi,
Best way to give you an introduction and point you in the right direction, is the engineering literature that is in the public domain explaining it, and then I will follow up with you if you like and break it down somewhat. I will admit it is a thick read through but you will see the rotational relationships between gravity and magnetic spin at the atomic scale of the mass in question which in the case of our discussion we are referring to the test craft I am speaking of.

www.hilarispublisher.com...

Writing out actual formulas here with a keyboard might prove challenging.

Thanks,
Cheers

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Hi,
Notice I said enveloped in not enveloped by the field. When I said it permeates throughout the craft as a whole, I am speaking of the hull or body shell of the craft. The operating area for a pilot or crew is shielded from this similar to a Faraday Cage.
Cheers
reply to: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: spaceflyr

www.hilarispublisher.com...

So this paper above mentions the Planck Constant

I find interesting that Michio Kaku talks about Planck Energy in this previously posted vid…..go to 06:48….then onward.



Are you saying or implying that the craft under test has achieved the Planck of travel?

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The above post and question is directed to and ….

a reply to: spaceflyr

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Hi,
No in answer to your question from my perspective.
When I left Raytheon, what I referred to as the testing platform is a test craft to try and build out the Meta Material science or technology (however you want to phrase it), to a point that our military could use it. When I was there it was in a crude form in my opinion. Yes it could rise up vertically. It could be pitched and move in any direction. The problem is it does not do these maneuvers in a rapid motion or fly at some great speed. We were trying to understand what mechanism in the Meta Material was responsible for having these effects. In my opinion we are just getting started with this type of thing. I do not know at what stage they are with it now. I suspect it has gone further.
Thanks
Cheers
a.reply to: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: spaceflyr
www.hilarispublisher.com...

Writing out actual formulas here with a keyboard might prove challenging.

Thanks,
Cheers

a reply to: Arbitrageur

That's an interesting citation, but it's a lone researcher apparently operating in a vacuum. When I looked up that paper in Google Scholar, it showed only 3 citations, all by the same author who wrote the paper! So as far as I can tell nobody else ever cited the paper, the only citations he ever gets is from himself.

It looks to me like he's using the Bohr model of the atom as a basis for establishing a correlation between gravitational and electrical orbits, but then I thought that can't be right because the Bohr model of the atom has been known to be wrong for over a century, though it's what we teach in schools at the beginner's level because it is easier to understand than the more complex and accurate models.

So then I looked up one of his more recent papers from 2019, and he does indeed reference the Bohr model of the atom! So to say that seems sketchy would be a gross understatement:

Discrete model of electron, by José Garrigues-Baixauli

...where v = α c is the velocity of the electron in a free state or with minimum energy, and which coincides with the
speed of the electron in the hydrogen atom, according to the Bohr model.

So, I couldn't find anything to corroborate what the author claims, nobody citing his paper in their papers except himself, no measurements that I could find to support his claims, use of the obsolete Bohr model of the atom known to be wrong, and I could go on but I think that's enough to suggest it's certainly not well established science. Theoretical physics by its nature is not established science, but, the vast majority of theoretical physics ideas turn out to be wrong when the hypotheses are tested, even theoretical physicists admit this.

On a related note, the reason gravity isn't part of the standard model is that nobody has yet figured out a way to include it in a way that leads to a consensus, though there are other theoretical ideas expressed in extended versions of the standard model. Here's one example that may or may not turn out to be correct but it seems like a better attempt at incorporating gravity into the standard model than the paper using the Bohr model.

The Standard-Model Extension and Gravitational Tests

originally posted by: Jukiodone

If anyone can remember - would appreciate a link..cant shake the feeling it was one of Pais' former dept.s (insert ominous music).

Was Mike Mcdonald from the Naval Research Laboratory

Made a big deal how the Navy were one of the few organisations with facilities to test at the time.

produced this paper then it all went a bit quiet and doesnt seem to be cited anywhere.....

Here’s an interesting find from 2009……

These are by no means the only vehicle-stoppers out there, or even the most science-fictional. Fiore Industries are among many working on a microwave ray gun "Car Stopper" which fries a vehicle’s electronics from a distance. It has the advantage of range and portability, but issues such as collateral damage and what happens to the speeding car afterwards.

Stopping Trucks The Superhero Way (Updated)

I’ve looked up Fiore Industries…..and I don’t see any references to the “Car Stopper” …that doesn’t mean it wasn’t being developed and taken into the black world….. but this company is into a lot of government contracting. Minutely reminds me of Blackwater and Janet services.

Creating and Protecting Innovative Technologies is our Mission

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originally posted by: Jukiodone


produced this paper then it all went a bit quiet and doesnt seem to be cited anywhere.....

Thats weird.
Did work- now doesnt - Paper summary here...

If you google search " Thrust Measurement and Error Analysis of the IMPULSE Resonant Microwave Cavity Drive"
which is the last paper on Mcdonalds comprehensive list of projects it should return the PDF.

Weird how that paper is the only one without a date...and mentioned before- it was definitely reported upon at the time but I cant seem to find any evidence using various search engines.
He did a post event briefing where he highlighted some of the issues with JPL's set up along with NRL's inability to replicate results - but again, cant find that anywhere either.

If you look at the work Mcdonald has been involved in then scale that out to the number of other scientists who have been involved in similar research worldwide over the last 30 years - it seems almost preposterous to even suggest someone could stumble upon a mechanism to generate coherent Negative Mass/=/Negative Energy from crossing diamagnetic fields and keep it secret.


IF Pais does indeed have a secret sauce ( in addition to the almost unimaginable computing resources required to calculate real time traversal of non homogeneous space whilst offsetting all EM "interaction") - it would need to be something more exotic than Microwaves providing the perturbation.