UFO’s stopping vehicles, Mircowaves?

originally posted by: spaceflyr
Now saying all that to say I said what I worked on, I never said it definitely was something from outside of our planet. On the contrary I do believe it to be something that our military has been working on for years and probably has progressed beyond the scope of public understanding of a particular craft. Just because my old program director said that it was from somewhere else doesn’t make it true.

Well this sounds perfectly reasonable, no need to get bent out of shape because someone seemed skeptical about your earlier statement, which was " I appreciate your feedback, however the background to this type of Meta Material did indeed originate from a recovered trans-atmospheric craft that did not originate from here. I was told that by my program director that was employed with DOD at that time. "

If you just end your comment like that, it sure gives a very different impression that you did believe it originated from a "recovered trans-atmospheric craft that did not originate from here". Now you're saying "I never said it definitely was something from outside of our planet", which reads a lot differently than your earlier statement.

Anyway if my boss said something was from somewhere else (ET), I'd probably assume he was joking. You know Ben Rich of Lockheed liked to joke about ET or extraterrestrial related stuff, and unfortunately some people took him seriously. But he wasn't serious.

If I thought my boss was serious I might say "wow that's interesting, tell me more", then if it was classified he'd probably joke that he could tell me but then he'd have to kill me. But yeah, chill out dude, it's just the old "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" schtick, no need to feel offended or take it personally if we get challenged like this when making extraordinary claims, though I suppose it could have been posed a little more diplomatically but most of us here are not diplomats.

originally posted by: spaceflyr
Hi,
And you can share with everyone here if you wish. Originally I told my grandson that I did not want to share my experience with anyone on any website. Very simple reasons, first I have a nice life especially since I am retired. I really don’t have it in me to explain everything that I worked on. I said before, I had a job and I was employed to work with other engineers and employees with Raytheon on many different projects. After all Raytheon is heavily involved in aerospace technologies. I was employed as a microwave engineer period. I am not a tv watcher, I go camping, fishing, I enjoy the outdoors for a reason. In my career I worked many long days and hours on a fixed salary. So when I got the chance to retire I jumped on it. Now saying all that to say I said what I worked on, I never said it definitely was something from outside of our planet. On the contrary I do believe it to be something that our military has been working on for years and probably has progressed beyond the scope of public understanding of a particular craft. Just because my old program director said that it was from somewhere else doesn’t make it true. When others here insult my intelligence but comparing my comments with a tooth fairy comment, I mean really? You asked did I see documentation to my directors statement? Let me ask you a question, you are working in a company making good money and the big boss, not my direct boss tells me something as a passing statement you really believe I would challenge that statement with five children, a bitchy wife, a mortgage and all the other crap for raising children that cost a fortune? Just how many opportunities do you think there was for microwave engineers back then? Not many I can tell you that from experience. I was damn lucky to be working. I was just doing my job and along the way it turned very interesting that’s all. I did not know I would get brow beat especially with others asking questions about engineering concepts that don’t have formal training or qualifications to even know what to ask much less how to ask especially with civility.
Im going camping you folks can bicker back and forth all you want, not me I don’t have time for the insults and childish comments.
Cheers
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

" Did this " Program Director " show you Any Documentation to Confirm such a Claim or did you just take his Word for it ? "


Childish Comments ? A Legitimate Question . Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence to be Believed, ,,,,

a reply to: spaceflyr

After you having said this….

If you want to know more just ask. Tired of holding in in, the truth that is. Cheers

You get some challenging questions….and now your pissed off?

WOWzers

In this forum …. your dealing with all kinds of people with their curiosity’s and sometimes not so eloquently worded dialogue. Yet you choose to throw in the towel.

Seems to me your pretty thin skinned and you get offended quickly.

Btw….your not the only one that’s retired…some of us here are retired as well. But we hold our own when challenges or debates or bantering happens.

You do realize…..in a forum…..we are virtual…we talk with our keyboards and listen with our eyes. It’s unlikely any physical confrontation would ever happen, so the simplistic way to not reply to someone is to ignore them.

The mods are pretty good at acting on shaming and verbal abuse.

“Tooth Fairy” doesn’t rise to that level. Especially when your not the one be called a tooth fairy. No member is personally being called a tooth fairy in the context tooth fairy was stated.

Food for thought

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Nothing of substance- even threw him a bone with Hohlfeld-Cohen-Rumsey principle which would have any microwave engineer tearing me a new one at the mere mention (in context of the claims).

One of ATS' frequent fake ITK'ers seems to like pretending they are old and cant work a PC for some reason.

The throwing up of arms and storming off at the first sign of disbelief is the confirmation.

Enjoy your camping OP- however the lack of phone signal will mean you dont see this message or get chance to reply no doubt

a reply to: spaceflyr

originally posted by: spaceflyr
I can answer this for you, yes, if I take a small 12 to 14 inch dish for example and use about 500 to 700 watts I could easily do things that would interfere with old school point, capacitor, distributor ignition system. Remember I am 62 so I grew up in that era. I could shut down the vehicle just by disturbing the spark, destroy the capacitor that’s inside the distributor and short the battery even. One of these days hopefully soon I will put together a small rig and make a video for the ATS family to view.
Cheers

a reply to: ArMaP

I was curious to see this happening as you stated

One of these days hopefully soon I will put together a small rig and make a video for the ATS family to view. Cheers

Oh well……..

And you sounded so upbeat in your beginning posts and replies. You even personalized your posts by mentioning ATS as a “family”

Yet you bailed on your new “family”.

Again ….Oh well……

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Hi
Since you presented yourself as a kind and very civil person I would not mind continuing our conversations. If you send me a good email I will send you my private email and we can chat more there. It amazed me the very quick vitriol in the comments and condescending replies. As I said earlier which I guess others did not catch is the fact that I’m NOT on the side of saying UFO’s ARE real. On the contrary like one user said of which I concur, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” That is absolutely true, but never doubt that your military might have things that the public doesn’t know about even for years or decades even. It’s really disheartening to have a user insert brow-beating behavior containing what looks like a great question only to see in the bottom of their post they were being extremely defensive and sarcastic. I don’t mind answering any question, so feel free. In a couple of months hoping sooner I will demonstrate shutting down a household motor, (AC) with about 70 to 90 watts of power from about 20 to 25 feet away with microwaves. Remember the energy distribution is related to the square of the distance, so when I increase the distance I naturally have to up the wattage, (real power.)
Looking forward to chatting a bit.
Cheers

a.type of a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Hi,
Let’s go, if you want, let’s start here, Hohlfeld-Cohen-Rumsey principle,
Which way do you want to go, Fractal, Planar, frequency curves for antenna elements? Antenna systems and newer setups especially since the late eighties are very old school such as the HCR principle compared to todays models and military microwave weapons.
We can do this all day long, I only ask that you go the distance if you can. If you can great, if not, no problem I just want to keep it clean and civilized, deal? Ok then.
Do you wish to continue the discussion?
Have a nice day
Cheers

a. reply to: Jukiodone

Hi
Just to let you know by your post about camping without the ability to see your post, FYI, I have Star Link and yes I have great internet access.
Cheers
a reply to: Jukiodone

Hi,
Just wanted to drop you a line and thank you for reminding me that yes there are folks here that can manage a little civility. I really thought by the way my grandson described this site that it was more people here that had backgrounds in some type of engineering school or work related in those fields. He got me signed up, even used a goofy spaceflyr name and joked with me about the spelling. I probably did not expect some of the responses that did seem stupid and a little sarcastic even. Anyway in response to another user my skin is thick and yes I can take it. I raised five girls so I stay away from stupid stuff and drama. If you want to chat some more that’s fine also. My grandson told me and I quote, “hang in there paw paw, just give it to them and let them sort it out it’s all in fun anyway.” Out of the mouth of babes” as they say.
Have a great day,
Cheers
a reply to: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: spaceflyr
Hi,
Just wanted to drop you a line and thank you for reminding me that yes there are folks here that can manage a little civility. I really thought by the way my grandson described this site that it was more people here that had backgrounds in some type of engineering school or work related in those fields. He got me signed up, even used a goofy spaceflyr name and joked with me about the spelling. I probably did not expect some of the responses that did seem stupid and a little sarcastic even. Anyway in response to another user my skin is thick and yes I can take it. I raised five girls so I stay away from stupid stuff and drama. If you want to chat some more that’s fine also. My grandson told me and I quote, “hang in there paw paw, just give it to them and let them sort it out it’s all in fun anyway.” Out of the mouth of babes” as they say.
Have a great day,
Cheers
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Wow, really?

I raised five girls so I stay away from stupid stuff and drama.

a reply to: spaceflyr

I believe the ufonauts use some type of micro-mini blackhole/MMBH (about the size of a proton with an approx. 100 year lifespan) propulsion system onboard there starships; which would be the source of constant acceleration, what with the ejection of high energy photon particles at it's magnetic poles, which serves as a thrust to easily get up to the speed of light barrier and beyond into the superluminal zone.

The MMBH engine, would also be a source of the starships magnetic shields...which should protect the craft from the rigors of some of the most hostile space environments, including the speed of light barrier.

The well known physicist...Michio Kaku, is also a proponent of the MMBH propulsion system for starships...

"Why Is Everyone Ignoring this MAJOR UFO Evidence" | Michio Kaku

a reply to: spaceflyr

Being retired 😉 I’ve got plenty of time …..at least until I expire.

So ….I’m looking forward to your microwave gizmo to disable vehicles. I like to see DIY’s ….especially if they work.

👽

originally posted by: Erno86
The well known physicist...Michio Kaku, is also a proponent of the MMBH propulsion system for starships...

"Why Is Everyone Ignoring this MAJOR UFO Evidence" | Michio Kaku

Unfortunately Michio Kaku really started losing his credibility about 5 years ago especially on the UFO topic, but even before that he had serious credibility problems by making hyperbolic statements about Fukushima, which was no doubt a terrible nuclear disaster but Kaku was making unscientific and unsupportable exaggerations about that too.

We'll just focus on his lack of credibiolity on UFOs since this is a UFO thread, you can read about his nuclear science lack of credibility elsewhere.

Michio Kaku's Embarrassing Stance on UFOs

Dr. Michio Kaku has always been a bit out there. The 75-year-old theoretical physicist and futurist at the City College of New York has made numerous contributions to the field of string theory and has written several best-selling books popularizing science.

This isn't my main point, but I have to interject here too because even his "non-quackery" supposed contribution to science in "string theory" has yet to be shown to have any connection to the real world. Maybe it's more of a contribution to mathematics, is what a theoretical universe might do, or a nearly infinite number of them, but what's that got to do with reality? So even his "science" seems potentially "fantasy-prone".

Though his musings regularly wander more into science fiction than solid fact, Kaku has generally been a great ambassador of science to the general public via his appearances in popular media.

But now, Kaku is seriously jeopardizing his reputation and misleading the public through his unscientific new stance on UFOs. He articulated it when speaking with podcaster Joe Rogan early last month.

"The burden of proof has shifted," he said. "It used to be the burden of proof was on the people who believe in UFOs. Now the burden of proof has shifted to the Pentagon, to the military. Now they have to prove that these aren’t extraterrestrial."

That's pretty much complete rubbish, which is exactly what he says in the video you posted, as this article and numerous others have pointed out. He's talking about things such as the fuzzy blob on the "tic-tac" video which appears to accelerate impossibly at the end when in fact it doesn't accelerate at all, something as a scientist he should be correcting instead of perpetuating the flawed analyses.

These are all in the low-quality data bucket," Steven Novella said on a recent episode of the Skeptics' Guide to the Universe (SGU). "It’s not like we have a high-resolution, in-focus, relatively close-up video of an object where you can make out what the object is… The phenomenon is ‘it’s a blob and I have no idea what that blob is’. The fuzziness of the data is the phenomenon."

By circulating Kaku's embarrassing flawed views without pointing them out, you're not exactly doing any favors for your own credibility either, but I'm trying to help you fix that by pointing out for you that Kaku's UFO credibility is completely in the toilet. I'm not sure why he does this, maybe he's more interested in selling books to wide-eyed believers than taking a credible stance on the topic. Kaku appeared in a debate with other scientists Sabine Hossenfelder and Roger Penrose who diplomatically told Kaku they thought he was being completely unscientific and spouting unsupportable claims, though somewhat more diplomatically that that, but not much.

Kaku's "burden of proof has shifted" nonsense is bad enough in that video, but it's even worse that the preview for the video shows some fake alien skeletons on the right, not a good thing to do if you want to be taken seriously.

originally posted by: spaceflyr
Hi ATS Family

As a retired electrical engineer I can attest to the fact that I can use a small microwave dish and with a small amount of power, about 140 watts I could easily stop a modern vehicle by interrupting the electronics. Many cases I have read and studied as a hobby, I can easily see the microwave radiation being used, it’s very evident to me. Charred grass that’s often analyzed and found the moisture is removed, grass is cooked, burn rings on the ground, etc… these are all related to microwave radiation. Swirls of grass where a craft might have landed or attempted a landing. The swirling can be down with a simple waveguide to “swirl” the microwaves and cause this same pattern on a test subject.
I think it’s a meta-material using doped materials in the hull of these craft and phase pumping microwaves through the hull to create a type of antigravity field of some sort. Definitely worth looking into instead of chasing the fraud Bob Lazar and element 115 nonsense.
Any feedback would be great to hear others ideas in the forum.

I am nowhere near your level of electrical engineering education on this but I am a willing learner and from the article at the link it appears this technology was tested and said to be a failure.

In March 2021, Tajmar's group published a definitive analysis of their own past experiments and those of others, showing that all could be explained by and reproduced via outside forces, refuting all EmDrive claims.

When power flows into the EmDrive, the engine warms up. This also causes the fastening elements on the scale to warp, causing the scale to move to a new zero point. We were able to prevent that in an improved structure. Our measurements refute all EmDrive claims by at least 3 orders of magnitude.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Why write-off Bob Lazar and element 115 when he said more testing is required?

In 2014, Lazar was interviewed by Geroge Knapp where they discussed ‘Element 115’ or Ununpentium where Lazar dismissed early findings surrounding Element 115, stating that he was confident that further testing will produce an isotope from the element which will match his initial description. “They made just a few atoms. We’ll see what other isotopes they come up with.

intechbearing.com...

a reply to: spaceflyr

That's interesting. Resonant cavity stuff. Shawyer's Em Drive designs are vaguely similar.

Are the shells of the resonant cavity in the designs you worked with Dome shaped? Cone shaped? A different shape?

I suppose another good question for you would be to ask what are the terms for the basic scientific principles being exploited to make such a design work. It would be nice to provide technical terms so that interested readers can research the principles and educate themselves.

'Physical forces generated by directed concentrated microwaves?' I dunno.

Anyhow, I think the Condon report presented some principles of a similar nature in an attempt to explain some unusual flying craft, if I remember correctly.

originally posted by: spaceflyr
Hi
Just to let you know by your post about camping without the ability to see your post, FYI, I have Star Link and yes I have great internet access.
Cheers
a reply to: Jukiodone

If you cant log into ATS (without help)- you certainly shouldn't be using a mobile satellite transceiver provided by one of the largest US DoD contractors to leak classified information to the internet.

Even 7 proxies wont help because you're geo tagging yourself with the initial sat uplink connection.

Please notify the tech savy person in your life you done goofed again.

originally posted by: TheBadCabbie
a reply to: spaceflyr

That's interesting. Resonant cavity stuff. Shawyer's Em Drive designs are vaguely similar.

'Physical forces generated by directed concentrated microwaves?' I dunno.

That's exactly what the EM drive does. And it works does it not?

National Geographic

It sounds impossible, but scientists at NASA’s Eagleworks Laboratories have been building and testing just such a thing. Called an EmDrive, the physics-defying contraption ostensibly produces thrust simply by bouncing microwaves around inside a closed, cone-shaped cavity, no fuel required.

www.emdrive.com...

The prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences has published a paper by Professor Yang Juan confirming their high power test results. At an input power of 2.5kW, their 2.45GHz EmDrive thruster provides 720mN of thrust.

Thrust is generally measured in pounds in the United States (the metric system u­ses Newtons, where 4.45 Newtons equals 1 pound of thrust).
4450 divided by 720 = 6.18
So times 2.5Kw x 6.18 = 15.45 Kw to get 1 pound of thrust.

Comparing thrust to horse-power. 1 Horse-Power is considered approximately 3 pounds of thrust.

a reply to: spaceflyr

Does the "cavity" have a demonstrated increase in temperature when the 1.6Ghz is applied?.

I'd say "asking for a friend" but they dont give a rats...

originally posted by: DaRAGE
That's exactly what the EM drive does. And it works does it not?

It does not work. Have you been hiding under a rock since 2021?

EmDrive

In 2014, White's first conference paper suggested that resonant cavity thrusters could work by transferring momentum to the "quantum vacuum virtual plasma", a new term he coined.[6] Baez and Carroll criticized this explanation, because in the standard description of vacuum fluctuations, virtual particles do not behave as a plasma; Carroll also noted that the quantum vacuum has no "rest frame", providing nothing to push against, so it can't be used for propulsion.

So Harold "Sonny" White had a hypothesis, which wasn't well received, and some apparent thrust was measured. But after further analysis, it appears the prediction of the current laws of physics that the EM drive was impossible and the measured "thrust" was an anomaly of the experimental setup appears to be correct.

In 2016, Harold White's group at NASA observed a small apparent thrust from one such test,[13] however subsequent studies suggested this was a measurement error caused by thermal gradients.[14][15] In 2021, Martin Tajmar's group at the Dresden University of Technology replicated White's test, observing apparent thrusts similar to those measured by the NASA team, and then made them disappear again when measured using point suspension.[1]

No other published experiment has measured apparent thrust greater than the experiment's margin of error.[16] Tajmar's group published three papers in 2021 claiming that all published results showing thrust had been false positives, explaining each by outside forces. They concluded, "Our measurements refute all EmDrive claims by at least 3 orders of magnitude."