Why be afraid when it may be a good thing to return to little house in the prairie

the usa/hollywood used to see the world through rose tinted glasses which is why people long for little house in the prairie as its evolved into this deeply angry mess of divisions and hate the usa has gone from the positive to the deeply disturbed

society is holds up well while the agreed contract to govern and be governed remains respected for the west the social contract started to come apart with the invasion of Iraq and has only got worse at each election.

the outcome of this is no little house on the prairie it'll be a soviet like collapse and warlord like anarchy or a British like troubles as the cultural war turns into sectarian violence around every corner.

there is to much hate for each other to ever go little house in the prairie, unless its a version where they all are feuding, torturing and killing each other..

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: godservant

It's going to be nothing like Little House on the Prairie.

Get prepared, do your research, practice dry runs.

Unless you do it, you don't know how to do it. That simple.

Start fires from flint and from sticks. Gather water using a tarp and a rock, or by digging holes near ferns. Learn your plants, go out identify and eat them, let your system get used to it. Build practice shelters of all types. Learn the terrain you occupy and where to go and where you CAN occupy. Become familiar with your chosen weapons, practice constantly. Learn to set snares and figure 4 traps, etc. Learn about the game in your area and their habits. Learn orienteering and other directional aids. Learn Morse Code. Learn, learn, learn....

Do all this and more and you may stand a chance.

Very few of us will be able to stay put. I'm on 40 acres and 50 miles from the nearest town, but I still have a bugout plan, just in case.

No one is going to help you get there on this thread, you have to do the homework and footwork on your own. Just like you'll have to do when SHTF.

Sorry to say , but you are out of your mind. I don't know anyone who would be capable of these things or even begin to comprehend how to do this. Also , it helps if your in Alaska or somewhere more northern and rural vs the hot south. We are pampered and sheltered from birth . Brought up to shop for food and work hard for a living in some 9-5 job. I rarely see a national park and when I do I drive there and back. I stay on the paths and take photos.
I'm disconnected from nature and how to survive in nature at all levels and so are my loved ones.
If SHTF we are dead.

Everyone here knows I'm out of my mind, lol.

Just telling it like it is.

In a true ELE or SHTF scenario you won't be shopping for anything and if there's no power, sh#t will get real in a hurry.

Everyone has a unique situation, there is no one size fit's all. There is survival. In your case, if you can't bugout, then maybe concentrate on having essential supplies on hand for an extended period. More of a prepper situation, but most people combine the two so they're ready for both scenarios.

Maybe google urban survival and guerilla gardening, I'm sure there's plenty there for your situation, but every person or family will have a unique set of circumstances to deal with, there is no one size fits all.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Myke, I think both you and ancientlight are correct.

A lot of people, very many, WILL die in a SHTF scenario.

You are correct as well. With the right skills, there will be survivors.

A lot of chaos initially. Things will settle a bit once most of the ammo is expended, for many people with ammunition don't have the resources to manufacture it, and they'll expend what they have all too quickly for their own good.

As Lum mentioned, "strong men" will emerge. Some will have a degree of moral centering and others will be monsters in human form. Conflicts will be waged for control of resources, including manpower. Once collectives of people are established and controlled by a "strong man", the people who are part of those collectives will be assigned duties, like firewood collection. Eventually, some kind of skills training will be organized to pass on essential knowledge, and society will go from there.

Me, I'll be among the dead. Too old to do the practical lab course for "Special Forces Survival Skills"

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: MykeNukem

Myke, I think both you and ancientlight are correct.

A lot of people, very many, WILL die in a SHTF scenario.

You are correct as well. With the right skills, there will be survivors.

A lot of chaos initially. Things will settle a bit once most of the ammo is expended, for many people with ammunition don't have the resources to manufacture it, and they'll expend what they have all too quickly for their own good.

As Lum mentioned, "strong men" will emerge. Some will have a degree of moral centering and others will be monsters in human form. Conflicts will be waged for control of resources, including manpower. Once collectives of people are established and controlled by a "strong man", the people who are part of those collectives will be assigned duties, like firewood collection. Eventually, some kind of skills training will be organized to pass on essential knowledge, and society will go from there.

Me, I'll be among the dead. Too old to do the practical lab course for "Special Forces Survival Skills"

Cheers

yep, ancientlight was right too.

I'm not an urban guy. That's not part of my skill set, but, it's part of my knowledge set and we both know, (just watch a YT video of major rioting in a big city, but picture that x 1000), that being in a city will almost be a guaranteed death sentence (for those who are sitting ducks). Or, you learn house to house warfare. That's the reality. A reality I would want no part of, I'll stay in the bush, lol.

I'm not a young buck anymore myself, I'll be hobbling around the woods, being my best "not complying" self.

"I love the little house on the prairie. There is an element of that lifestyle I miss, even though I never lived it."

I can tell you never had to use an outhouse in the middle of the night in the middle of winter

I think the hardest thing in a shtf scenario is surviving against the masses of assholes who will become lawless as soon as it happens

Ive wanted to leave the city in Glasgow and go to a uninhabited scottish island and live there farming and surviving
or even just up the highlands , take over an abandoned castle or something

just need to out survive all the lawless assholes first
i guess it will be easier in scotland since the populations isnt near anywhere that of some US cities

a reply to: Lumenari

Morality.

Agreed.

So time for the cycle to turn from "Weak men make hard times" to "Hard times make strong men."

I think that cycle is over-simplified.

I am well aware of the cycle you reference. It swings through four phases:

• Hard times make strong men
  
• Strong men make easy times
  
• Easy times make weak men
  
• Weak men make hard times

And all that is very true... to a point.

But it is not really a circle. It is a spiral, held in check by morality. As you so aptly point out, we have lost that morality. Without morality, the hard times make slightly stronger men who survive by taking advantage of the weaker. Those slightly stronger men make slightly easier times. Slightly easier times still make slightly weaker men. Slightly weaker men make much harder times. Much harder times kill most of the men.

Morality is the connection to the center of the circle. Without it, the circle spirals away from the center. Eventually, like a comet rounding the sun, the spiral becomes a straight line shooting off into infinity.

The hard times are coming, as you say. But the question is not whether those hard times will make stronger men... the real question is whether the weaker men inheriting them will be able to survive to become strong men. There will be no "Little House on the Prairie," for that era was marked by the morality we no longer possess and cannot pass down to future generations. It wasn't the absence of technology that made that era so outstanding... it was the presence of morality.

I'm looking forward to it.

I'm not. It's all downhill from here.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ancientlight

Also , it helps if your in Alaska or somewhere more northern and rural vs the hot south. We are pampered and sheltered from birth . Brought up to shop for food and work hard for a living in some 9-5 job. I rarely see a national park and when I do I drive there and back. I stay on the paths and take photos. I'm disconnected from nature and how to survive in nature at all levels and so are my loved ones. If SHTF we are dead.

Speak for yourself John Smith.

Taught to hunt at age eight, and I was a girl. Didn’t have running water until age twelve. Grew up getting water from a well or stream. Only had chambers pots and outdoor toilets.

Still live in the woods, and lucky enough to have neighbors and family that still look out for each other.

Hey how about plan B , move out to country X

a reply to: nickyw

there is to much hate for each other to ever go little house in the prairie, unless its a version where they all are feuding, torturing and killing each other..

I live in the woods. We don’t have to love each other out here. As long as I can remember, and I have been around long enough to do a lot of remembering, there has always been an asshole or two in our midst. Survival does not require hating and killing. Also does not require loving and kumbaya either. Survival requires intelligence, respect, sharing and working together.

No doubt there will be bad actors afoot. Another reason to work with others so you can close eyes every day or so, and occasionally take a crap, because those two things will be two of the most likely things that will get you killed in a SHTF scenario, and they are two things that you will not be able to avoid. If you try to go all lone wolf, keep that in mind.

a reply to: godservant

If memory serves the show/book was rather racist with rosy depictions of white settlers and racist depictions of native americans and coloured people.

It may well have seemed to ooze community spirit but that was dependent on colour of one's skin else opinions tended to vary.

Take for instance one of the opening chapters of the book which describes a land with "No people. Only Indians lived there".

Or where one character says "The only good Indian is a dead Indian".

I think there is also a mention of "darkies" which does not bode well in this day of age.

Probably best not to go back to times like that by my guesstimation.

Although I agree with you op 100%, it’s also the perfect time to enjoy the complicated, materialistic, self-serving life of stuff stuff stuff right now, so say economists. I have heard everywhere I turn my ear that soon, we are nearly certain to experience hyperinflation which will be followed by hypersalarying workers. So the best thing one can do for himself or herself right now, is buy everything you ever wanted and will be approved for as long as you do it with a fixed loan.

That way, as prices skyrocket, you’re locked into the old nothing burger of a price. And when governments force exponential growth of salaries, minimum wage, pension payments, social security, etc., you will be able to pay off your entire loan in a matter of months, not 10, 15, 20 years because you will be using the new inflated pay to pay off the old, then seeming minuscule and laughable loan amounts. So grab that sports car, that downtown penthouse, and a 7 carat stone for the wife’s old ring. Because you pick just the right time which is sometime between now and whatever spurs the acute hyperinflation, and you got it made.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I live in the woods. We don’t have to love each other out here. As long as I can remember, and I have been around long enough to do a lot of remembering, there has always been an asshole or two in our midst. Survival does not require hating and killing. Also does not require loving and kumbaya either. Survival requires intelligence, respect, sharing and working together.

It sounds like we live in similar situations. Everyone close to me knows everyone else; we might not like each other at times and we might have disagreements, but we always have respect for each other. I doubt many areas are left like ours, as a lot of that respect includes knowing one's place. That seems to be something that society is quickly forgetting.

No doubt there will be bad actors afoot. Another reason to work with others so you can close eyes every day or so, and occasionally take a crap, because those two things will be two of the most likely things that will get you killed in a SHTF scenario, and they are two things that you will not be able to avoid. If you try to go all lone wolf, keep that in mind.

There's a lot to be said for having roots. No man is an island, and in times of hardship that is one of the first lessons learned.

In a storm, the first trees to fall are those with little root support. Those with strong roots and the ability to still bend with the wind rarely fall.

TheRedneck

a reply to: andy06shake

You confuse the issues of those times.

Yes, racism is wrong. However, racism is not inherent in an area where there is mutual respect and morality. If anything, racism is antithetical to mutual respect and morality. Just because an era had bad aspects to society it does not follow that those bad aspects are inherent in, or that they are required to accomplish, the good aspects of those times.

We have a saying here: "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater." A baby is priceless; used bathwater is worthless and unwanted. The concept is to not dismiss that which is valuable in order to rid oneself of that which is unwanted. Better to rid oneself of the unwanted while maintaining that which is valuable.

That's a lot of why we are in the mess we are in today. Too often, people decide to simply dismiss everything because a few things are not optimal. The result is not progress; it is regression, because we then have to try and rebuild with no foundation. Thus we continually find errors in the rebuilding, throw everything away, and start from scratch again until we find new mistakes. Wash, rinse, repeat. We'll never get it just right on a single attempt, so we lock ourselves into an endless cycle of failure.

Where I live, racism once abounded as well. But we worked through it and have eliminated almost all racism; blacks live, work, and play now alongside each other. In accomplishing this, though, we did not throw out the concepts of Southern hospitality, respect for fellow men, and self-sufficiency. That's why we get along so well, and why this place will be the last to fall. The major US cities have largely tried to simply remove anything from before the Civil Rights movement, and they are continually having problems like widespread crime, wanton violence, and moral degradation.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: godservant
Surely we are heading for a collapse of the ways we've been taught for our entire life.

Is that so bad? To those reading this, don't you agree we're missing something we had over a century ago that is nearly nonexistent today? Like, something we're supposed to have?

Is it possible that we need that which was lost with the advent of technology? Is it a plan to do what's being done to us now part of what is supposed to happen before a global cleansing? Why is this how it seemed to happen repeatedly in the ancient past? Timing is funny. Somehow it's like a clock.

I love the little house on the prairie. There is an element of that lifestyle I miss, even though I never lived it.

Or did i?

We are going to need that knowledge to survive, but it may just bring back a community and a spirit of what they had then that we lost along the way.

Stress not, I think, as it will be hard, but rewarding in some way.

Thoughts?

Things won't be Little House on the Prairie though.
It would be closer to The Road. Can't grow crops, no food source besides other humans, everyone alive getting cancer, packs of younger men clearing out, not just the neighbors, but neighborhoods. Mongolian tradition. Collecting food, weapons, water.
The only two options we get - Be a serial killer or be another serial killer's dinner.

It'd wipe that creepy Michael Landon smirk off his face quick.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

You assume that there will always be a job with an income. That is not a given. In a depression, businesses fail and unemployment skyrockets. Those who follow that advice and then find themselves on the outside looking in will lose everything and likely be the first casualties, be it by suicide, starvation, exposure, or crime.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

No confusion on my end, the issues of the time were deplorable and downright racist in spades, there is no two ways about that fact.

The show, and series of books, certainly did not eliminate racism even going so far as to embrace the concept at some points.

If you were to go back to times like those coloured people and native americans would not live, work, and play alongside each other.

Hence it's a poor example of times to which your nation would ever wish to return, which is kind of my point, and the premise of the thread far as i can establish.

And the reason to be afraid of a return to such times rather self-evident given the diabolical actions that took place and racist ideologies that held sway.

I am sorry to inform all of you but there is no prairie to put your little house on. A certain Mr Gates has bought all the prairie up and he wont let you put your little house on any of it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheRedneck

No confusion on my end, the issues of the time were deplorable and downright racist in spades, there is no two ways about that fact.

The show, and series of books, certainly did not eliminate racism even going so far as to embrace the concept at some points.

If you were to go back to times like those coloured people and native americans would not live, work, and play alongside each other.

Hence it's a poor example of times to which your nation would ever wish to return, which is kind of my point, and the premise of the thread far as i can establish.

And the reason to be afraid of a return to such times rather self-evident given the diabolical actions that took place and racist ideologies that held sway.

Reading some of the post here on ATS, I sometimes feel those times have never left us. They were either hidden or we have become reinfected. Either way those ideologies still seem to hold a lot of sway.

a reply to: Kenzo


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