Is it hateful to state the planets move in elliptical orbits around the sun?

Hey, if the earth is flat, doesn't that mean that the other planets are flat?

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

originally posted by: infolurker
Hey, if the earth is flat, doesn't that mean that the other planets are flat?

Not necessarily!

a reply to: Allaroundyou

You said earlier that

I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

You are correct for this particular matter i.e the orbits of the planets around the sun.



Any other matter where common sense and basic science have been suspended in favour of politics and weird ideologies?!

Hmmm.. what this might be?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

This is 2023.

It seems that challenging science, like there are 2 biological sexes, and the rest are abnormal variations of the norm, greatly angers many people who claim this is not true, that all the abnormal variations on the norm are really the real norm.

It seems that challenging science, like biological males as a group have more and stronger muscles and a larger bone structure than biological females as a group; that greatly angers many people who say the exceptions are the norm and this is a big lie.

It seems that challenging science, like the earth has gone through many natural climatic changes long before there were humans, from a tropical planet to an ice covered planet, and back to a warmer climate - is heresy because we must all say that humans and only humans and their nasty parasitic behavior are why we are seeing current climate changes. So we must get rid of as many parasitic people as possible as quickly as possible. People get quite angry over the science that on earth, and long before humans, the planet went through drastic climate changes and this is the unstoppable norm.

It seems that challenging science that only women with a uterus can give birth to new humans makes people very angry. They say that we must acknowledge that men who are definitely not women can carry a human to full term and give birth. If you dare to disagree you are socially doxed and destroyed as thoroughly as possible by true believers of the new and improve science of liberalism.

So yea, I can easily see the far far left deciding that elliptical orbits are a form of ist/ism and so we must all believe that the orbits are round, and if we don't we are part of the ist/ism problem in the society run by far left liberals.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2
It's good you did not notice my mistake when I wrote "second language".

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

You need to able to understand what is considered hateful in our days. Apparently the word has been twisted and it can mean anything according to the dictionary.

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

This is 2023.

It seems that challenging science, like there are 2 biological sexes, and the rest are abnormal variations of the norm, greatly angers many people who claim this is not true, that all the abnormal variations on the norm are really the real norm.

It seems that challenging science, like biological males as a group have more and stronger muscles and a larger bone structure than biological females as a group; that greatly angers many people who say the exceptions are the norm and this is a big lie.

It seems that challenging science, like the earth has gone through many natural climatic changes long before there were humans, from a tropical planet to an ice covered planet, and back to a warmer climate - is heresy because we must all say that humans and only humans and their nasty parasitic behavior are why we are seeing current climate changes. So we must get rid of as many parasitic people as possible as quickly as possible. People get quite angry over the science that on earth, and long before humans, the planet went through drastic climate changes and this is the unstoppable norm.

It seems that challenging science that only women with a uterus can give birth to new humans makes people very angry. They say that we must acknowledge that men who are definitely not women can carry a human to full term and give birth. If you dare to disagree you are socially doxed and destroyed as thoroughly as possible by true believers of the new and improve science of liberalism.

So yea, I can easily see the far far left deciding that elliptical orbits are a form of ist/ism and so we must all believe that the orbits are round, and if we don't we are part of the ist/ism problem in the society run by far left liberals.

There are no abnormal variations of the norm. Any chromosomal variation still falls under the sex binary under the DSD which means disorders of sex development. An example is the genetic disorder called Klinefelter syndrome XXY. The individual who is a male, due to the Y chromosome, has an additional X chromosome in his chromosomal make up. Still a male and in many cases healthy. Although some of these males are infertile.

What is hateful in our days? That is what anyone needs to consider before answering the question.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

You are clearly speaking from a position of privilege designed to maintain the patriarchy and promote Jim Crow era power structures.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

This is 2023.

It seems that challenging science, like there are 2 biological sexes, and the rest are abnormal variations of the norm, greatly angers many people who claim this is not true, that all the abnormal variations on the norm are really the real norm.

It seems that challenging science, like biological males as a group have more and stronger muscles and a larger bone structure than biological females as a group; that greatly angers many people who say the exceptions are the norm and this is a big lie.

It seems that challenging science, like the earth has gone through many natural climatic changes long before there were humans, from a tropical planet to an ice covered planet, and back to a warmer climate - is heresy because we must all say that humans and only humans and their nasty parasitic behavior are why we are seeing current climate changes. So we must get rid of as many parasitic people as possible as quickly as possible. People get quite angry over the science that on earth, and long before humans, the planet went through drastic climate changes and this is the unstoppable norm.

It seems that challenging science that only women with a uterus can give birth to new humans makes people very angry. They say that we must acknowledge that men who are definitely not women can carry a human to full term and give birth. If you dare to disagree you are socially doxed and destroyed as thoroughly as possible by true believers of the new and improve science of liberalism.

So yea, I can easily see the far far left deciding that elliptical orbits are a form of ist/ism and so we must all believe that the orbits are round, and if we don't we are part of the ist/ism problem in the society run by far left liberals.

There are no abnormal variations of the norm. Any chromosomal variation still falls under the sex binary under the DSD which means disorders of sex development. An example is the genetic disorder called Klinefelter syndrome XXY. The individual who is a male, due to the Y chromosome, has an additional X chromosome in his chromosomal make up. Still a male and in many cases healthy. Although some of these males are infertile.

Right but they are still not normal chromosomal combinations. They are abnormal in the sense that the norm is XX or XY. Any thing else is an abnormal variation from the norm. Klinefelter syndrome is called a syndrome precisely because it is abnormal, or not of the scientific norm.

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

This is 2023.

It seems that challenging science, like there are 2 biological sexes, and the rest are abnormal variations of the norm, greatly angers many people who claim this is not true, that all the abnormal variations on the norm are really the real norm.

It seems that challenging science, like biological males as a group have more and stronger muscles and a larger bone structure than biological females as a group; that greatly angers many people who say the exceptions are the norm and this is a big lie.

It seems that challenging science, like the earth has gone through many natural climatic changes long before there were humans, from a tropical planet to an ice covered planet, and back to a warmer climate - is heresy because we must all say that humans and only humans and their nasty parasitic behavior are why we are seeing current climate changes. So we must get rid of as many parasitic people as possible as quickly as possible. People get quite angry over the science that on earth, and long before humans, the planet went through drastic climate changes and this is the unstoppable norm.

It seems that challenging science that only women with a uterus can give birth to new humans makes people very angry. They say that we must acknowledge that men who are definitely not women can carry a human to full term and give birth. If you dare to disagree you are socially doxed and destroyed as thoroughly as possible by true believers of the new and improve science of liberalism.

So yea, I can easily see the far far left deciding that elliptical orbits are a form of ist/ism and so we must all believe that the orbits are round, and if we don't we are part of the ist/ism problem in the society run by far left liberals.

There are no abnormal variations of the norm. Any chromosomal variation still falls under the sex binary under the DSD which means disorders of sex development. An example is the genetic disorder called Klinefelter syndrome XXY. The individual who is a male, due to the Y chromosome, has an additional X chromosome in his chromosomal make up. Still a male and in many cases healthy. Although some of these males are infertile.

Right but they are still not normal chromosomal combinations. They are abnormal in the sense that the norm is XX or XY. Any thing else is an abnormal variation from the norm. Klinefelter syndrome is called a syndrome precisely because it is abnormal, or not of the scientific norm.

Ok. In that sense yes it is a syndrome but not a different biological sex as some activists are trying to imply. Still a male with an extra chromosome X. Just as the XXX syndrome is for women or X syndrome again for women called the Turner
syndrome.

These syndromes have nothing to do with the absurd views about transgenderism. These are clearly sex development disorders that affect males and females.

I can't believe that I'm the first in this thread to point out that the motion of the planets is not elliptical. It just appears that way from a heliocentric perspective.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
I can't believe that I'm the first in this thread to point out that the motion of the planets is not elliptical. It just appears that way from a heliocentric perspective.

For some groups the motion of the planets around the sun is circular or has ambiguous characteristics that could be anything.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I remember reading about the debate of a heliocentric universe vs. a geocentric universe. What stuck in my mind was that the proponents of the geocentric theory had mathematical equations that would explain the retrograde motions of the outer planets. Of course, they were far more complicated than the heliocentric equations. And both sides claimed that their theory was "more pleasing to the mind." The sun-centered group because their equations were simpler, the Earth-centered group because it put the Earth at the center of the Universe.

Of course, now we know that neither is really correct from a galactic perspective. Or you could say that either are correct depending on your perspective.

But I don't see either as being hateful, except maybe from a human perspective. I know when I explained it to my dog, her only question was, "Where is my treat?"

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

This is 2023.

It seems that challenging science, like there are 2 biological sexes, and the rest are abnormal variations of the norm, greatly angers many people who claim this is not true, that all the abnormal variations on the norm are really the real norm.

It seems that challenging science, like biological males as a group have more and stronger muscles and a larger bone structure than biological females as a group; that greatly angers many people who say the exceptions are the norm and this is a big lie.

It seems that challenging science, like the earth has gone through many natural climatic changes long before there were humans, from a tropical planet to an ice covered planet, and back to a warmer climate - is heresy because we must all say that humans and only humans and their nasty parasitic behavior are why we are seeing current climate changes. So we must get rid of as many parasitic people as possible as quickly as possible. People get quite angry over the science that on earth, and long before humans, the planet went through drastic climate changes and this is the unstoppable norm.

It seems that challenging science that only women with a uterus can give birth to new humans makes people very angry. They say that we must acknowledge that men who are definitely not women can carry a human to full term and give birth. If you dare to disagree you are socially doxed and destroyed as thoroughly as possible by true believers of the new and improve science of liberalism.

So yea, I can easily see the far far left deciding that elliptical orbits are a form of ist/ism and so we must all believe that the orbits are round, and if we don't we are part of the ist/ism problem in the society run by far left liberals.

There are no abnormal variations of the norm. Any chromosomal variation still falls under the sex binary under the DSD which means disorders of sex development. An example is the genetic disorder called Klinefelter syndrome XXY. The individual who is a male, due to the Y chromosome, has an additional X chromosome in his chromosomal make up. Still a male and in many cases healthy. Although some of these males are infertile.

Right but they are still not normal chromosomal combinations. They are abnormal in the sense that the norm is XX or XY. Any thing else is an abnormal variation from the norm. Klinefelter syndrome is called a syndrome precisely because it is abnormal, or not of the scientific norm.

Ok. In that sense yes it is a syndrome but not a different biological sex as some activists are trying to imply. Still a male with an extra chromosome X. Just as the XXX syndrome is for women or X syndrome again for women called the Turner
syndrome.

These syndromes have nothing to do with the absurd views about transgenderism. These are clearly sex development disorders that affect males and females.

Never said these syndromes had anything to do with transgenderism, simply that they are abnormal syndromes, scientifically not normal, differing from the norm.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

You need to able to understand what is considered hateful in our days. Apparently the word has been twisted and it can mean anything according to the dictionary.

I get that, I guess I'm just not good enough at twisting it.

originally posted by: Moon68

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

You are clearly speaking from a position of privilege designed to maintain the patriarchy and promote Jim Crow era power structures.

Wait, what?

The patriarchy and power structures are my main targets!!!

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

How is it not hateful when you hurt their feelings and beliefs the orbits of the planets are elliptical and not circular or any other belief they may hold. How about the group which is constantly marginalised and the obvious bigotry and discrimination against them.

I'm failing to grasp the issue.

This whole board is us telling each other our opinions or, sometimes, rarely, truths.

Feelings get hurt all the time, we used to know that and deal with it.

Marginalizing and being bigoted has nothing to do with arguing the truth with someone, that's a separate issue.

Maybe revealing the truth to them will lead to them NOT being marginalized?

You need to able to understand what is considered hateful in our days. Apparently the word has been twisted and it can mean anything according to the dictionary.

I get that, I guess I'm just not good enough at twisting it.

Whether something is offensive or not and whether it causes distress or not, seems to depend on the views of those who get...offended!!