Is it hateful to state the planets move in elliptical orbits around the sun?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

By his own admission, once the topics he fought for are accepted, by his own MO, he should be against it, the second it is accepted by society.

So if I say clubbing baby seals is generally not accepted, he will lobby for clubbing baby seals. And when it's accepted that it's all okay to club baby seals, his internal thought structure forces him to be against the clubbing of baby seals.

Perpetuum exemplum stultitiae

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I'm offended you care about offending people.
On an issue like this what matters is the people who it concerns get their calculations as closely approximating reality as possible.
What you, I, everybody else think on the matter is really just 'entertainment' ie irrelevant.
There are some who care about it not in the least, to those who are deeply involved as a hobby and everything inbetween.
And it's all totally fine. It's one of the perks of living in a society post specialisation: not everybody needs to be an expert on everything.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I'm offended you care about offending people.
On an issue like this what matters is the people who it concerns get their calculations as closely approximating reality as possible.
What you, I, everybody else think on the matter is really just 'entertainment' ie irrelevant.
There are some who care about it not in the least, to those who are deeply involved as a hobby and everything inbetween.
And it's all totally fine. It's one of the perks of living in a society post specialisation: not everybody needs to be an expert on everything.

So you are saying that it doesn't matter what me, you, and everyone thinks? But where is the truth in all of these? Because some groups will still be offended no matter the facts. Is stating Kepler's Third Law as stated, hateful. What about the feelings and emotions of those who don't accept Kepler's Laws?

a reply to: Peeple

What you, I, everybody else think on the matter is really just 'entertainment' ie irrelevant.

That's a bit presumptuous of you is it not?

So is all entertainment irrelevant or is just irrelevant to you. How can YOU speak for all of humanity.

God complex much?

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a reply to: Asmodeus3

The truth is how it all really works and nobody knows that at this point in time.
If people are offended that's their problem.
I can't invade other people's life and tell them what to wear (fe) because I hate their style.

a reply to: pheonix358

Entertainment is per definition distraction while I'm on a break from doing more important things, is it not?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The truth is how it all really works and nobody knows that at this point in time.
If people are offended that's their problem.
I can't invade other people's life and tell them what to wear (fe) because I hate their style.

I think most of us know how the planets move around the sun. Yes this is what I also say, if people get offended then that their own issue. But they can still accuse you of using hate speech, being inconsiderable to others, cruel, etc.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well you also don't have to talk to everybody about every issue, but if you do I think staying true to yourself is more important than a little hurt feelings.
How important are these issues, really? And I mean if you're at a point where you can't handle disagreeing with others anymore you can just as well start digging your last hole.
Imagine what a nightmare when you get to the point where three sentences are still socially acceptable and everything else is hatespeech.
Which would be the end result if you constantly avoid all challenges.
That can't be right.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

is it inappropriate, discriminatory, or even hateful, to insist planets are orbiting the sun in elliptical orbits?

So you've already upset the Cartographers and now you want to upset the Cosmologists for Orbital Equality?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

What if the feelings of those people who don't accept the planets go around the sun in elliptical orbits are hurt? And they may get really offended as they have different beliefs.

By the way I don't see why someone can not challenge science. You can challenge anything you want if you have good evidence.

You said it. If you have good evidence!
Feelings aren't good evidence.
But nowadays they top scientific method.

originally posted by: ShadowChatter

a reply to: Asmodeus3

is it inappropriate, discriminatory, or even hateful, to insist planets are orbiting the sun in elliptical orbits?

So you've already upset the Cartographers and now you want to upset the Cosmologists for Orbital Equality?

Orbital equality? I won't put it this way. Not all orbits have the same eccentricity but there is a group of people who thinks all orbits are circular and they are going to get offended if their views are challenged. Plus the element of bigotry involved when this group is getting marginalized and rejected again and again just because of some people who claim to be scientists.

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Some years ago you would have been put to death.
So I would imagine in some way someone might get offended?
I don't really see how challenging science in this matter would anger others, but this is 2023.

What if the feelings of those people who don't accept the planets go around the sun in elliptical orbits are hurt? And they may get really offended as they have different beliefs.

By the way I don't see why someone can not challenge science. You can challenge anything you want if you have good evidence.

You said it. If you have good evidence!
Feelings aren't good evidence.
But nowadays they top scientific method.

Is it hateful to state Kepler's First Law?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, it's not hateful.

Unless that's the intent involved.

Otherwise, you're just stating what you know to be true.

That person can choose to keep believing the earth is flat. No harm, no foul.

Well, I for one an slightly miffed, not offended mind you, that so many proper names of places mentioned in this thread remain uncapatilized.

The name Earth, referring to the planet, and the Sun, referring to the star Earth orbits should in my openion be capitalized because they refer to a specific known place.

Would one not capitalize Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc..? Why is Earth not treated to the same honor, let alone the Sun?

If one refers to a star being a sun, meaning it has planets, then it should not be capitalized. That is like refering to a continent or island, not any specific one.

Now, the thread topic is interesting. I see some people insisting as follows.

'I have the right to remain ignorant of certain facts, even though they are well proveven and accepted. If you disagree, I will use it in the argument of sticking my fingers my ears and going "la, la, la, la" until it annoys you enough to go away. Should this not work, I will attempt to get the manager, by yelling quite loudly, to deal with you. If that doesn't work, a slap fight might be in order as I have no verbal argument that is logical against your position.'

See flat Earthers as an example.

a reply to: MykeNukem

What about the children of the flat Earthers? They will face redicule that is no falt of their own, simply because one or both of their parents taught them that Earth was flat.

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

I see some people insisting as follows.

In this thread? Where?

a reply to: beyondknowledge2

Because this is an international website and we have many people who's second language isn't English. While proper grammar and expression should be a focus, proper capitalizing is the least that people like me care about.

The message is important, be miffed if that's your biggest problem.

a reply to: Peeple

Not in this thread, more in encounters in life in general and dumb videos on YouTube to be specific.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Very well, I sit corrected. I submit to stretching the rules for non English as first language people.

I never understood why one would stand corrected or stand to reason as sitting is much more comfortable.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge2
a reply to: MykeNukem

What about the children of the flat Earthers? They will face redicule that is no falt of their own, simply because one or both of their parents taught them that Earth was flat.

The Children of the Flat Earthers - now there's a good movie title, lol.

If they face ridicule then that would be the parents fault, not the person telling them the truth.