Proof Creationism Is BS

a reply to: Sookiechacha

" This is what you're on about defending, even though you know science proves it's all wrong? "


Ok , that's just Nonsense . " Science " Does Not Prove or Disprove Anything . It Just " Theorizes " ..........

Creation can be whatever it is and facts show we are right in the middle of something some place.

originally posted by: TerraLiga

originally posted by: incoserv
blah blah blah function and purpose blah blah blah:

Please do tell what is the function and purpose of life on Earth.

I like the way the Westminster Catechism answers this in its first question:

Question 1: What is the chief and highest end of man?
Answer 1: Man’s chief and highest end is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy him forever.

With reference to:

Rom. 11:36 -
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

I Cor. 10:31 -
So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Psa. 73:24-28 -
You guide me with your counsel,
and afterward you will receive me to glory.
25 Whom have I in heaven but you?
And there is nothing on earth that I desire besides you.
26 My flesh and my heart may fail,
but God is the strength[a] of my heart and my portion forever.

27 For behold, those who are far from you shall perish;
you put an end to everyone who is unfaithful to you.
28 But for me it is good to be near God;
I have made the Lord God my refuge,
that I may tell of all your works.

If one's blind faith in The Nothing or The Void to fart out the cosmos from nothingness with no purpose and no design is the core of one's cosmology, then this answer will make no sense. More than likely, it will chaff, because the person who chooses to place his or her blind faith in The Void does so because that person has chosen with willfullness and intent to ignore the testimony of creation in order to proclaim his or her own self as their own god. Small God that they have, nonetheless...

Romans 1:19-20 -
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Seeing, however, that this cosmos exists, that it is comosed of a complexity beyond the comprehension of any mortal, and that - given this - it must have been created intentionally and for some purpose, and that there is - regardless of what many would claim - a transcendent morality that seems to be written on the heart of most humans (even when they wish to deny it)...

Romans 2:14-16 -
4 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

One, then, must logically come to the conclusion that the One who created the cosmos and all that is in it did so for some reason that is beyond our daily practice of eating, defecating, and sleeping only to rise to do it again until we die.

This is made clear in Romans 8:18-25:

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

There is an ultimate plan and purpose awaiting those who obey and believe that is beyond our reckoning, beyond our ability to even conceive, but it is an end and a glory that is worth whatever it costs.

One will ask why there is evil and suffering. The very ones who ask this question are most often the ones who justify the existence of evil and suffering by attempting to blame it on the Creator. It is the fault of the creature (mankind) that has chosen darkness in the presense of light, deception in the presence of truth, wrong the presence of right. If you have a problem with the presence of evil in the world, the the answer is not to quesiton God for it, but to BE ONE WHO DOES GOOD in the very presence of evil.

So, shut up or put up! Either join the Creator in populating the world with the good that you claim to want to see, or shut up and just contribute to the evil in the world. It really is that simple.
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

You mean the biblical version of "creation" right? The "Let there be light!" creation story of Genisis and the biblical god's Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve and all that, right?

This is what you're on about defending, even though you know science proves it's all wrong?

*Sigh, I guess my other post was "offensive".......
I honestly was trying to be nice, because you did one of two things.

You were intentionally being dishonest OR you didn't read and don't actually know what I posted.
I went with the second option, in my removed reply, giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Can you show me where I am or was defending anything?
I was comparing "evolutionists" and Creationist, defending what they see as their Faith.

Why do you keep Anthropomorphizing things? Science in this thread, nature in another.
Science does not "prove" anything. Data is interpreted by a human scientist, they gather from doing science.
When has science "proved" anything?

LOL This thread is a hoot!

I still agree with this.

a reply to: Quadrivium

When has science "proved" anything?

You argue that it does all the time, when you claim science proves a fertilized human ovum is a "human being", a person, via unique DNA, when you insist that a "Y" chromosome defines a human being as a male, which inconveniently belies the notion that Adam was created before Eve....among other scientific trivial facts....

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

When has science "proved" anything?

You argue that it does all the time, when you claim science proves a fertilized human ovum is a "human being", a person, via unique DNA, when you insist that a "Y" chromosome defines a human being as a male, which inconveniently belies the notion that Adam was created before Eve....among other scientific trivial facts....

Have I?
Or have I claimed that the majority of Embryologist and Biologists agree that a human beings life begins at conception?
That from that point, there is an uninterrupted process of development, guided by this new human being, until they reach adulthood?
That is the interpretation of the known science.
Science is the tool used to come to this conclusion.
Science is not alive.



Eta: so, you were just being dishonest and haven't actually read the thread or my replies?
Why would you claim something that wasn't true?

It's a fact humans came to exist on earth. When you need to search for a chromosone to prove it then that's how you do it. You might find it not plausible a man came first from which a woman was made and all descendants. You might find that before fish became humans there was fish in the sea.

a reply to: incoserv

Allow me to summarise your response (using the bible to defend the bible...).

You believe that all life - bacteria, moss, rabbits, tuna, you - were created to worship their creator.
There are approx 9 million different species of life on Earth, but only one is capable of doing what you claim. Most of those species will never come into contact with any human being. Ever. What is their value in this exchange?

Personally, I'd rather live my own life to my own potential rather than be a servant to an invisible, unanswerable, horrendously cruel, murderous, deviant and absent deity. But you go ahead and I wish you the best of luck.

You call out the 'blind faith' of my trust in peer-reviewed research, and the education that I have received.
Please show me that you don't have complete blind faith in your religion, where you have more than a single source of evidence, that is contemporary and can be tested by others, including professionals. Which one of us is actually a hypocrite?

Finally, I don't care for your accusations and assumptions about how I may behave, act or think. I find it offensive that you resort to these tactics to make a point, and I sincerely question your motives and the faith in good you claim to have.

a reply to: TerraLiga

You found it! You got to know animals don't worship The Alknowing! Yay! Can I prove it, no!

a reply to: TerraLiga
Wait........
What an extremely odd post.
Science is the way we study the natural world.
Faith is belief without evidence.
Why do you care so much, if you don't believe in a Creator?
You honestly seem upset, at who?
I mean if you don't have faith in a Creator, why are you worried about what someone else believes?
It's irrational.
Unless you feel a Creator has wronged you in some way and you are taking out your anger......
But, that would mean you actually do believe in a Creator.
This is truly fascinating!
Can you tell me more?

Eta:
Oh!
You are pissed at a Creator you don't believe in, that is odd.....

It's your choice in what to believe is true. I simply don't want you selling me that sh*t as truth.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Quadrivium

I have faith and then some guy takes me to a field and says, here, here are strawberries, and I'm like, yea.

And he goes, we grew this and now there are hundreds of them here and we did studies on them and now we have biology and you can grow them and they are red and they grow in soil and soil is full of minerals and it needs rain and sunshine and some work.

Me then, yea, nom nom nom nom nom.

originally posted by: Peeple
Men have nipples.

If a Creator would have made Adam first, why on Earth did he give him nipples?

I mean I'm open to read your answers, but I doubt you can come up with anything that would explain that.

Therefore I challenge you to prove me wrong, if I state:
The fact that men have nipples is conclusive proof there is no Creator.

It has always been a stupid argument since evolution is a how something happened and intelligent design would be a why something happen, so not really two things to debate against each other.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Peeple
Men have nipples.

If a Creator would have made Adam first, why on Earth did he give him nipples?

I mean I'm open to read your answers, but I doubt you can come up with anything that would explain that.

Therefore I challenge you to prove me wrong, if I state:
The fact that men have nipples is conclusive proof there is no Creator.

It has always been a stupid argument since evolution is a how something happened and intelligent design would be a why something happen, so not really two things to debate against each other.

Agreed!
Unless time is your God and all things are possible through time, then you may feel threatened if someone else questioned it.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Instead on concentrating on me, why not ponder what I've written? I am not the subject.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It has always been a stupid argument since evolution is a how something happened and intelligent design would be a why something happen, so not really two things to debate against each other.

Except, the creation story of Gensis does try to tell us how it happened, not so much why creation happened. Believers can only speculate on the reason why the biblical god created the heavens and the earth, etc.

originally posted by: TerraLiga
a reply to: Quadrivium

Instead on concentrating on me, why not ponder what I've written? I am not the subject.

I did contemplate exactly what you said, that is why I asked.
I apologize if I offended you.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xtrozero

It has always been a stupid argument since evolution is a how something happened and intelligent design would be a why something happen, so not really two things to debate against each other.

Except, the creation story of Gensis does try to tell us how it happened, not so much why creation happened. Believers can only speculate on the reason why the biblical god created the heavens and the earth, etc.

Which is taken on faith.
I can separate what I believe from know fact, why can't you and others?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Book of Genesis in All Modern Day Bibles was a Bastardized Version of the Story from Translations made from Early Sumerian Clay Tablet Texts . Poetic License was used Extensively by the Early Bible Authors due to Translation and Interpretation Errors .You have to have Faith in it's Accuracies or Disbelief in them .

originally posted by: Quadrivium

Unless time is your God and all things are possible through time, then you may feel threatened if someone else questioned it.

I find it funny that if we are here by intelligent design then there would be some method used and so evolution works with either concept.

a reply to: TerraLiga

I already filled that gap.

Some people seem to look for rational evidence of God thinking that when they think they find the reasoning to conclude there is a God something magical will happen. That's not how it works. The God you would try to find a rational conclusion for already exists.