Why do Christians Believe that Politicians are doing God’s Work ?

originally posted by: RookQueen
a reply to: SecrettoSociety
May I ask what you've heard of the bigotry in the southern churches?

Ive heard plenty of Southern bigotry both in a church & in it’s basement

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Did the judeochristian mindset also help them to burn witches, go on crusades, and ravage towns of non-beleivers?

Christianity helped pushed society foward because it helped to control the masses. Sure, things got accomplished. But many people died terrible deaths at the hands of christians.

So let's not forget that as well.

You are talking about things that every culture did. Many still to this day. The Judeochristian culture did self reflecting and amending of beliefs as discoveries were made and the enlightenment gave everyone equal dignity and worth. So it has nothing to do with what I said unless we are acknowledging that Juseochristians were the first to get rid of such barbaric practices, thanks for supporting my arguement.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

I came across this little compilation of facts, which tend to suggest that Bill Hillary and Trump are great buddies going back a long way and each looks after one other survival just in case the masses' mood changes as it is apt to. It is all theatre at the top, that big club and you ain't in it. It probably has always been this way and always will be. Trump is the controlled rebel to get the populist vote. www.bitchute.com...

Trump has been a NY liberal his whole life . Yet millions of people bought his line of #bs . Trump wants power & telling the largest & aging generation what makes them feel good. Just like Biden lies to the youth for votes.

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

It is necessary to support the clean & straightforward management of society, so that we have some influence in ensuring that evil men & women do not take control of society in order to launch tyrannical regimes under which all people, including Christians, will suffer. It is not always possible to vote for a Christian candidate, but it is almost always necessary to vote for a 'good person', or at minimum the lesser of two evils. Not voting would be an abdication of responsibility in terms of our bond of peace with the rest of our society, and as noted it would ensure that evil men & women can step ever closer to taking the reins of that society.

Pretty simple really, you've clearly not understood the need for peace & stability within a society..

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:18

So far as it depends on you would include the need to vote to ensure the most peaceable candidate is voted into office. Furthermore, Jesus encourages us to pay taxes, hence it is clear that He does not object to us taking part in the rules-based societies that we find ourselves in at whatever time in our lives. We are encouraged to grow in grace such that we will be will find favour in the eyes of God & Mankind (this is implied from the fact that Jesus Himself was said to grow in grace & favour with God & Mankind as he grew up from being a child to becoming an adult..)

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

It is necessary to support the clean & straightforward management of society, so that we have some influence in ensuring that evil men & women do not take control of society in order to launch tyrannical regimes under which all people, including Christians, will suffer. It is not always possible to vote for a Christian candidate, but it is almost always necessary to vote for a 'good person', or at minimum the lesser of two evils. Not voting would be an abdication of responsibility in terms of our bond of peace with the rest of our society, and as noted it would ensure that evil men & women can step ever closer to taking the reins of that society.

Pretty simple really, you've clearly not understood the need for peace & stability within a society..

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:18

So far as it depends on you would include the need to vote to ensure the most peaceable candidate is voted into office. Furthermore, Jesus encourages us to pay taxes, hence it is clear that He does not object to us taking part in the rules-based societies that we find ourselves in at whatever time in our lives. We are encouraged to grow in grace such that we will be will find favour in the eyes of God & Mankind (this is implied from the fact that Jesus Himself was said to grow in grace & favour with God & Mankind as he grew up from being a child to becoming an adult..)

So God works on lesser of two evils philosophy ?
You are describing animal logic & not spiritual wisdom. God cares nothing of the desires of man in his rules. Under your logic Hitler was elected.
People in Germany loved Hitler until it was too late.
So if you vote for a person who saves the homeless , but voted yes to war over petrodollars, what moral guide did you use ? Jesus said to forget the world & ways of men . Theologically there is NO lesser of two evils . Christ taught that our world is the kingdom of satan & until the end it is this way .
Im not making any of this up . The bible is very clear about a separation from the ways of men .
Politics were extremely big in Rome & Greece at the time of Christ , and He never once instructed people to vote for the anything let alone the lesser of two evils .
Christ represents freedom from the theocracy of the Jews & Rome & that was a major part of His teachings to us .
I politely disagree with your whole notion that God cares about who we vote for .

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

It is necessary to support the clean & straightforward management of society, so that we have some influence in ensuring that evil men & women do not take control of society in order to launch tyrannical regimes under which all people, including Christians, will suffer. It is not always possible to vote for a Christian candidate, but it is almost always necessary to vote for a 'good person', or at minimum the lesser of two evils. Not voting would be an abdication of responsibility in terms of our bond of peace with the rest of our society, and as noted it would ensure that evil men & women can step ever closer to taking the reins of that society.

Pretty simple really, you've clearly not understood the need for peace & stability within a society..

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:18

So far as it depends on you would include the need to vote to ensure the most peaceable candidate is voted into office. Furthermore, Jesus encourages us to pay taxes, hence it is clear that He does not object to us taking part in the rules-based societies that we find ourselves in at whatever time in our lives. We are encouraged to grow in grace such that we will be will find favour in the eyes of God & Mankind (this is implied from the fact that Jesus Himself was said to grow in grace & favour with God & Mankind as he grew up from being a child to becoming an adult..)

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originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

i'm betting the cat told him.

i guess that's one way to interpret the
bible.

Jesus wasn't a socialist.

He is the Son of God and your savior.

and his real birthday is Easter.

lol, oh yeah forgot to answer the question.

how long did it take you to poll every Christian in the world?

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

See above reply

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

You are twisting & perverting what I was actually saying. The people reading this thread will clearly see through your nonsense responses.

Of course Hitler was elected, that's a historical fact, it doesn't mean anything at all in the grand scheme of things, except for the fact that rarely does the Lord intervene in the actions determined by human free will. And what the hell are you on about by conflating love for the homeless with support for the petrodollar? What on Earth do you mean by conflating those two utterly unrelated concepts? Clearly politicians will have a stance on the need to secure the petrodollar's power in ensuring the hegemony of American power throughout the world. That doesn't mean that we can abandon the quest to put good men & women into power in the USA, or anywhere else for that matter (I'm British). And i'm sorry to say, but the fact that you oppose voting for the lesser of two evils in a political run-off where there is no way that an independent, libertarian, freedom-espousing politician is going to win against the two main contenders that are fed to us by those in true power in this world, is absurd.

We must vote for the candidate who does the most to espouse human freedoms, who works for a stronger, more productive society & economy, which protects its own members first & foremost, the very definition of patriotism. Patriotism is not evil when handled correctly - sure, the majority of politicians these days seem to be corrupt - but that doesn't mean we can abdicate our duty to seek peace in our times by electing those who will not further damage or destroy the economy, who will not funnel billions to protect their secrets regarding near-criminal war efforts run by corrupt state leaders involved in weaponising viruses in Ukraine, for example.

We simply have to seek peace in our times by exercising our vote in as responsible a manner as we possibly can, on the understanding that at least for a time, we would be voting for the lesser of two evils - because to vote for the greater of two evils would be lunacy & evil in itself, and to abdicate our responsibilities in the voting process we make it easier for the greater of two evils to be elected into power.

All alongside this it is right & proper to be seeking to uplift a different sort of candidate, building & developing a new political party founded on Christian wisdom in a libertarian framework. But that is an endeavour measured in terms of decades, not months & years. So for the time being, the lesser of two evils will have to be our choice in a direct run-off between two generally unsuitable candidates.

Of course, seek the better option for the future - but we are compelled to deal with reality in the here & now, in the meantime.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

You are twisting & perverting what I was actually saying. The people reading this thread will clearly see through your nonsense responses.

Of course Hitler was elected, that's a historical fact, it doesn't mean anything at all in the grand scheme of things, except for the fact that rarely does the Lord intervene in the actions determined by human free will. And what the hell are you on about by conflating love for the homeless with support for the petrodollar? What on Earth do you mean by conflating those two utterly unrelated concepts? Clearly politicians will have a stance on the need to secure the petrodollar's power in ensuring the hegemony of American power throughout the world. That doesn't mean that we can abandon the quest to put good men & women into power in the USA, or anywhere else for that matter (I'm British). And i'm sorry to say, but the fact that you oppose voting for the lesser of two evils in a political run-off where there is no way that an independent, libertarian, freedom-espousing politician is going to win against the two main contenders that are fed to us by those in true power in this world, is absurd.

We must vote for the candidate who does the most to espouse human freedoms, who works for a stronger, more productive society & economy, which protects its own members first & foremost, the very definition of patriotism. Patriotism is not evil when handled correctly - sure, the majority of politicians these days seem to be corrupt - but that doesn't mean we can abdicate our duty to seek peace in our times by electing those who will not further damage or destroy the economy, who will not funnel billions to protect their secrets regarding near-criminal war efforts run by corrupt state leaders involved in weaponising viruses in Ukraine, for example.

We simply have to seek peace in our times by exercising our vote in as responsible a manner as we possibly can, on the understanding that at least for a time, we would be voting for the lesser of two evils - because to vote for the greater of two evils would be lunacy & evil in itself, and to abdicate our responsibilities in the voting process we make it easier for the greater of two evils to be elected into power.

All alongside this it is right & proper to be seeking to uplift a different sort of candidate, building & developing a new political party founded on Christian wisdom in a libertarian framework. But that is an endeavour measured in terms of decades, not months & years. So for the time being, the lesser of two evils will have to be our choice in a direct run-off between two generally unsuitable candidates.

Of course, seek the better option for the future - but we are compelled to deal with reality in the here & now, in the meantime.

The conflation is about the fact that no sin is worse than the other just as kind acts aren’t weighed either.

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

i'm betting the cat told him.

i guess that's one way to interpret the
bible.

Jesus wasn't a socialist.

He is the Son of God and your savior.

and his real birthday is Easter.

lol, oh yeah forgot to answer the question.

how long did it take you to poll every Christian in the world?

www.openbible.info... here is were that idea comes from.
Read the whole list & then explain yourself to me

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

www.openbible.info...

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Charity and Socialism are 2 VERY DIFFERENT things.

Now, you mentioned it yourself.... people, yes people, vote for what they think is the lesser of 2 evils.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics are all people.


So, let's get real. People vote for the Party or Side that is going to screw them over less or stay out of their lives. Just because you are a Christian doesn't mean you are going to "not vote" for whatever candidates you think are less invasive than what the other side is going to do to you.

What is the hang up on "Christians" specifically here?

www.openbible.info...

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

We need better context.

Where is the complete transcript? 😁

www.openbible.info...

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Because Christians pay taxes like everyone else, and have a right to expect their representatives to do the job they were hired to do. "Representatives" in this case refers to politicians and bureaucrats.

This country is not a dictatorship or a monarchy, it is a representative republic. It REQUIRES its citizens to be involved, because they ARE the government. If they don't get involved, they have no republic left.

www.openbible.info...

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Your premise is flawed in presuming that all Christians think and feel the same.

There are probably some Christians who think and feel the way you describe, but it's not all Christians. You'll have to ask those Christians, not any Christian or all Christians.

For myself, I don't trust politicians and I don't think there's anyone out there to save us. That's not how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. WE are the government... of the people, by the people and for the people. Voting is just one way that the people participate in governance.

This does not violate any of Jesus' teachings.

www.openbible.info... It’s not some Christians Im on about, it’s their book of rules . Read the list in the linkn

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Economics is a human number? Do monkeys and apes fight over bananas?

happiness

The world is not rational if the inhabitants are *fighting* for survival.

To be in the world, but not of the world

originally posted by: Cwantas
There's no comparison or connection with earthly ways and The Father it would be difficult to return to Him if we became earthly in our ways. What we grow to love here imprints on the soul.