Why do Christians Believe that Politicians are doing God’s Work ?

First off I apologize if this is the wrong forum for this & mods please move , if in wrong category.

So my whole life living in America from the mid sixties to now , I have always been surrounded by Christian people. I have been involved in churches for 30 yrs of my life & left religion all together 10 yrs ago.
My question is to any Christians here on ATS & it goes like this :
How could you vote for anyone & still think you are doing god’s will ?
Jesus taught that people were to not be involved in the son’s of men & their politics or laws .

Christ taught that we are to abide by the laws of the land you are in & do it in peace as well.
Do Christian’s think that Jesus taught his followers to be involved in Roman State protocol ?
Jesus said to pay your taxes , because it is the law of men & we all live under laws of men , but are NOT to be involved in it’s ways .
Voting is not a required law to follow in America , so why do Christians vote on the old “ lesser of two evils” crap ?
Jesus would vote for no one just as the early followers refrained from the politics of the lands they lived in as taught.
So G W Bush was for Pro Life , but illegally invaded a country killing 100s of thousands/millions of kids & people ?
A follower of Christ by voting for someone is handing over support to the son’s of men & kings that serve worldwide avarice & wars as well eliminating some crimes.
Christ taught that we are not to be of this world , yet voting is voluntary & most Christians vote.
Now most Christians claim they vote to stop evil & that seems ok as a benefit, but hold zero biblical support or reality in government.
If you are a Christian voting for Trump , because of abortion & lgbqt issues you have , then you have failed ?
When you vote for someone , you are giving them your authority to do as they see fit & thus yoking yourself to all of Trump’s sins as well or Biden’s ?

Show me in the bible or ancient church fathers where it shows us to vote, run for office etc ?
No Christian should vote on anything , but instead pay your taxes & don’t complain.
How about liberal Christians who voted for Biden , because they think Joe will support social programs that help the poor ? Yet Joe is causing war problems all over ?
Jesus didn’t teach to choose the lesser of two evils .
There is no little wrong or right , it’s either wrong or right with zero in-between .
Jesus taught us to be subject to the laws of the land you are in & if the powers that be want to hassle you or worse , we are to put up zero resistance.
Paul taught that if they want to cut off your head , then run to the chopping block .
Politics & Christ are to be as far from each other as possible.
I find it extremely hypocritical when Christians believe it is a duty of their faith to vote for worldly leaders .
Give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s & give unto me what is mine .
Voting in America is not mandatory , so how do Christians justify their stances on being involved in politics ?
Jesus & his apostles didn’t partake in Roman State politics , but stood outside of it in peace paying their taxes as required.
God does not hold us accountable for other’s sins , because of a lack of votes to stop it .
Jesus was the original socialist.
Tolstoy said to be involved in politics is to loose ones soul .

can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Charity and Socialism are 2 VERY DIFFERENT things.

Now, you mentioned it yourself.... people, yes people, vote for what they think is the lesser of 2 evils.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics are all people.


So, let's get real. People vote for the Party or Side that is going to screw them over less or stay out of their lives. Just because you are a Christian doesn't mean you are going to "not vote" for whatever candidates you think are less invasive than what the other side is going to do to you.

What is the hang up on "Christians" specifically here?

I never thought for one second that politicians do God's work.

Sounds like fake christians to me...

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I never thought for one second that politicians do God's work.

Sounds like fake christians to me...

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

I don’t know one Christian that would have answered those questions that way. I am not saying there are not Christians that would. The problem is that when you speak of Christians, there is not a brush on Earth that you can paint them all with, on anything.

Christians are all over the planet. I don’t think there is country were you can’t find one. Every color, every race, every color, every language. You will find they are all different, but they share one thing.

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

We need better context.

Where is the complete transcript? 😁

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

If we lived in a perfect world, it'd be different. We don't. We lived in a world corrupted by sin, wickedness and selfish ambition.

There's no biblical mandate for total disengagement. Paul did say that magistrates are appointed by God for the maintenance of order. This didn't mean that all politicians do "God's work" (whatever that means); it means that systems of government are in place in human society for the benefit of society, or at least should be. It doesn't mean that every single magistrate is godly. There are instances when tyranny should be resisted, and it falls on the shoulders of good and decent men to resist.

One of the marks of the Christian faith is the liberty that the scriptures grant to disciples of Christ, liberty to interpret and practice certain non-essential issue according to one's light, understanding and convictions. There are some things that theologically and biblically non-negotiable, but things like you mention are not clearly delineated in scripture. You are essentially pulling laws and rules out of your butt.

If you feel the conviction to disengage, I can respect that. If one feels the conviction to engage for the betterment of society, I respect that, as well.

Granted, making an idol out of politics and politicians is sin, and the extreme religious right has been guilty of that. I've always said that the "Moral Majority" was neither very moral nor was it a majority. Too often, church leaders look to the temporal power of politics instead the eternal sovereignty of God to resolve their issues, making pleas and paying obeisance to the people in power instead of the True Power, but to place your own convictions (if indeed they are your true heartfelt convictions) on the entire body of believers is as both arrogant and unscriptural as their opposite extreme.

You would do well to understand 2,000 years of church history, where the catholic (small "c'" not Roman) church had gotten it wrong and where is gotten it right. There certainly is no single one-size-fits-all answer, as you seem to think that there should be.

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a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Because every tumble of the domino is assumed to facilitate the end of times, there are no coincidences in the grand calculus of the "ineffable plan". Even the most depraved and sinister of mechanisms can't resist participating in the cascade of destiny. Hypothetically, of course.

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Because Christians pay taxes like everyone else, and have a right to expect their representatives to do the job they were hired to do. "Representatives" in this case refers to politicians and bureaucrats.

This country is not a dictatorship or a monarchy, it is a representative republic. It REQUIRES its citizens to be involved, because they ARE the government. If they don't get involved, they have no republic left.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Because every tumble of the domino is assumed to facilitate the end of times, there are no coincidences in the grand calculus of the "ineffable plan". Even the most depraved and sinister of mechanisms can't resist participating in the cascade of destiny. Hypothetically, of course.

Scripture tells us that even the kingdom of darkness itself was manipulate into fulfilling the plans and purposes of God.

1 Cor. 2:7-8 ~ ... but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory...

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Because Christians pay taxes like everyone else, and have a right to expect their representatives to do the job they were hired to do. "Representatives" in this case refers to politicians and bureaucrats.

This country is not a dictatorship or a monarchy, it is a representative republic. It REQUIRES its citizens to be involved, because they ARE the government. If they don't get involved, they have no republic left.

Excellent point. This actually, as I see it, puts a biblical onus on Christians to engage. If anyone sees it differently, again I can respect that, but it's not how's I see it

When putting forth opinions assumptions must be made so here are mine:
I personally prescribe to the idea that originally the nations and regions were ascribed to "principalities and powers" as per scripture and other ancient texts.
I also lean on the New Testament idea that GOD does oversee the rulers of the nations....yes even the evil ones.. (remember the GOD used Babylon as tool as well)
I also believe that each of us have a choice to make in how involved we are in the society in which we live...that whole free will thing and all....
If you choose to withdraw and devote your life to prayer and study....as the Essenes did.....then awesome but don't disparage those who either choose to or are perhaps called to be engaged....I like the hands and feet of GOD analogy

Secret to Society, Let me assure you that your choice of forum to post this thread cannot be said to be "wrong." The forum itself implies the tone and approach from which you wish to discuss the OP. Members are most likely to respect that 'filter,' although some might be inclined to reject the constraint... but that is not on you.

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I don't think it is true, as the OP's choice of title implies; that Christians believe that politicians are doing God’s work?

I'm sure that some Christians can believe that, if they so choose. But truthfully, is it not that some people "say" that to endorse and support their "chosen" political celebrity? Further, it is not more likely that it is more a matter of the media amplifying those that say this very personal opinion, to one effect or it's opposite?

The Christian faith is particularly distinct in that those embracing it are free to make choices about political standing without the pressure of an indoctrinated clergy to dictate their choices (with some notable exceptions, of course.)

The biggest wrinkle in all this, in my opinion, is that people tend to be socially compliant... much to the chagrin of many politically infused ideologues... (or most ideologues for that matter) Christians will listen to each other and the politically inspired will 'use' that perspective to call others to agree...

While Christ was clear about the nature of the political establishment and it's relationship to the faithful, it seems often taken for granted that the politically described "good" does not automatically make it "God's" work... even if the partisans of Christian faith say it is.

Follow the heart, not the clamor of the crowd.

Answer:
Their very own egos.

There's no comparison or connection with earthly ways and The Father it would be difficult to return to Him if we became earthly in our ways. What we grow to love here imprints on the soul.

have to say for the American colonies that time was in the days of the english civil war where they formed various factions one of which the levellers influenced the us, but they only formed the us after being kicked out of office in england.. so pretty distant from a real religious space.

if they did it would have been in someone like Praise-God Barebone (who the barebones parliament was named after) his full baptismal name was meant to be, Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebones.. this is the kind of person people might have thought was doing Gods work..

these would be 5th monarchists trying to bring about the 1,000 years at the end.. and as such religious nutters hence why they where ejected from office and many ended up in the colonies..

the usa is very far from that christian idea.. though some others are closer like iran.. but they all have that air of "Millenarianism" about them, that is trying to bring about the end/peace..

the closet modern 2 leaders that fit that are bush and blair though blair looks to be closer to Millenarianism than Bush, America appears to see itself more as Babylon or Rome (that is the 1st and 2nd kingdoms) and less as the 5th and last kingdom all the talk of end days is a mask for thinking itself rome..

Why do Christians Believe that Politicians are doing God’s Work ?

Because that's what the politicians tell them and they believe them. Some politicians are actually anointed by God apparently.

religionnews.com...

It's easy to not take personal responsibility when you believe you are doing Gods work. "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war" was sung often in my small Texan Baptist church.

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

I'm also curious. I feel that I am Christian yet I don't believe any of this garbage. If anything, politicians are the lowest form of life on earth, right along side with the devil himself. Who else would want to rule over mankind than a vile, self centered, blind, corrupt, EVIL government.

As an Atheist myself I always find it interesting when non-believers try to challenge believers on their adherence to their chosen faith ... as if the non-believer thinks they have some secret knowledge that the believer is missing.


The majority of my extended family are Christian of varying practice levels... I never heard one of them say they are voting for anyone to do God's work. As I understand it for them God does God's work and politicians are public servants in the society they live and participate in.

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?

Was going to ask the same thing to the OP of...

Why does the Op think Christians actually think this way?