New Study Shows Fully Vaccinated Will Lose 25 Years From Life Span

Anyone considered the cold storage requirements of these vaccines and how mRNA would breakdown during the logistical chain?

As a friend said to me. Your frozen peas had more care taken with their transportation from manufacture to destination than these gene therapies.

To all those who took the vaccines, was the vial removed from refrigeration in front of you? How do these vaccines hold up to shock and mis-handling?

I'm very well informed that the answers to these questions should raise some alarm bells. There's a big difference between laboratory testing with strict cold-chain oversight and the real world at your local supermarket station.

originally posted by: Grenade

You really should stop commenting on posts which include percentiles, any kind of mathematics, or logic.

Wow! A drive-by on a post months old..You must really dislike me...lol

I was trying to make sense of 1947boomer's post that he didn't understand how one shot would show a higher mortality rate than a group that had 4 shots. If you cannot understand that either then maybe you should not do snarky drive-by posts on it.

The vast majority of people that had issues with the shot had those issues after their first shot. If they had issues then they would not get shot 2.3.4... Those that had ZERO issues with shot 1 most likely then got shot 2.3.4 still with zero issues.

The first shot weeded out the percentage of the population that would have had issues with the shot and so the 1 shot percentage would have more deaths and issues than the 2,3,4 shot groups would have. Very simple to understand...do you?

a reply to: Xtrozero

The way you just described it, no. At least i understand your confusion now that i've seen the logic.

a reply to: Grenade

No. Why should it have been?

www.health.gov.au...#:~:text=8%C2%B0C.-,Vacci ne%20may%20be%20stored%20at%20temperatures%20between%208%C2%B0C,for%20up%20to%2024%20hours.

"As COVID-19 vaccines available for use in Australia contain no antimicrobial preservatives, to minimise the risk of infection ATAGI recommends that:

once a multi-dose vial of COVID-19 vaccine is punctured, use prepared doses within 6 hours; and
when possible, pre-drawn doses should be used within 1 hour if kept at room temperature, and within 6 hours if kept at 2°C to 8°C
Note: Data on the stability of pre-drawn doses in syringes is not available for Novavax, so storing pre-drawn doses of this vaccine in syringes is not preferred. If pre-drawn doses of Novavax are used, ATAGI recommends adhering to the above recommendations (where possible)."

a reply to: Grenade

I had the AZ shots.

You are "well informed"?

Apparently, not:

www.fiercepharma.com...#:~:text=AstraZeneca's %20COVID%2D19%20vaccine%20candidate,logistics%20leg%20up%20over%20a

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Not everyone did tho now did they? Your anecdotes don’t render my point any less relevant.

Was there stringent cold storage controls for every vaccine that required them. If so, show me evidence of that.

How do these vaccines react to shock, I’m sure out of billions a few of them spent time in the back of a lorry being thrown around country roads.

It’s up to you if you consider these factors or not.

Please format your links properly before the intellectual grandstanding.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The same AZ shots that were suspended and not offered as boosters? Those ones?

a reply to: Grenade

Anecdotes?

I posted how the vaccines needed to be stored.

You made claims about having to see them being taken out of a fridge in front of us.

Without any evidence.

What's wrong with my links?

At least, I have actually provided some.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You posted how one particular vaccine was to be stored.

Before injection into your arm were you shown the storage facility, chain of custody and transportation methods?

Have a look at the Pfizer vaccine requirements and then tell me you think every vial met these requirements out of the millions shipped throughout the world.

a reply to: Grenade

"How do these vaccines react to shock, I’m sure out of billions a few of them spent time in the back of a lorry being thrown around country roads"

I don't know. If you want to claim this might be an issue, you provide the evidence?

Like how they were transported and how "shock" might have any effect?

Were they traumatised or rendered unconscious, or something?

Dunno. You tell me.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Even you have to admit it's unlikely that every vial met the following requirements for storage and handling.

Pfizer - Storage and Handling

Australian Government

"Thawed vials of frozen vaccine should not be refrozen.
Do not shake the vaccine vials.
Minimise exposure to room light and avoid direct sunlight and ultraviolet light. "

I'm sure none of that happened to a single vial anywhere on planet Earth.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You posted how one particular vaccine was to be stored.

Before injection into your arm were you shown the storage facility, chain of custody and transportation methods?

Have a look at the Pfizer vaccine requirements and then tell me you think every vial met these requirements out of the millions shipped throughout the world.

No, not just one.

No, I won't have a look. Don't be so lazy.

You make a claim, you back it up.

"Before injection into your arm were you shown the storage facility, chain of custody and transportation methods?"

No. Do you expect that sort of info for every medication you take?

That's just absurd.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I've never taken any medication with strict cold storage requirements. If i did i'd expect it to be administered by a medical professional and in a location with said cold storage, not at my local ASDA or Boots.

I've provided the links in my previous post which show full requirements for storage and handling, rather than your contrived excerpt.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I'd assume biolipids can be degraded by physical mis-handling. Was your vaccine tested on location to ensure no errant proteins are in the vial or that the correct ones are? I can assure you those within the test group that we use as basis for our efficacy and safety most certainly were. You can dice with injection of incomplete or damaged proteins but personally i'll give it a miss.

a reply to: Grenade

Contrived? No, requirements for storage etc.

Anyway, even if I needed to eyeball them coming out of a fridge, which as I have cited you don't, you forgot that I should also have demanded to know the exact temperature of said fridge, where it was made, how it was transported, and it's maintenance and service records?

Your expectations are contrived, unreasonable and wholly unrealistic.

It's a jab in your arm.

It doesn't need a brain surgeon to administer it.

a reply to: Grenade

Now you are just assuming stuff without any evidence.

You must be a nightmare to staff in supermarkets when buying frozen or refrigerated food.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

A jab, using new technology which is highly susceptible to damage from various sources, including temperature, shock and light. That's why it's stated clearly on the storage and handling requirements from the manufacturer. Damage the old viral vector vaccines and worst case you get limited protection. Damaged proteins in these mRNA vaccines and you risk all sorts of rather dangerous repercussions, primarily mis-folded proteins proliferating.

Again, it's your life, i'm just trying to highlight what i see as a clear and obvious danger.

I install systems in a lot of pharmacies and supermarkets, i've seen how the drivers and warehouses operate. If you think out of the billions of vaccines that they all followed these stringent controls then that's again your decision.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

There's no comparison in danger between some rotten peas and a mRNA vaccine which directly interfaces and carries protein information to the nucleus of your cells.

It's like comparing throwing a rock to a nuclear weapon.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Can nanoscopic structures be damaged by shock? It's a fair assumption to make. Hence the requirements stated by the manufacturer that the vials must be stored in a specific way.

Upright and protected from light. Must not be shaken.

a reply to: Grenade

"mis-folded proteins proliferating."?

OK.

It's my decision. At the end of the day, you do you, I'll do me,

If you are OK with that?