A small rant about pro gun Americans

a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

So when a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy or a terrorist I should thank the good guys gun...

Got it, thanks.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That was for a two month period, February and March, in one year back in 2018.
By the end of the year the murder rate in New York was higher.

The figures I posted previously are correct.

In 2018 New York had a record low 295 murders - it has risen quite alarmingly since then.
In 2018 London had a total 137 murders - I thought it had increased since then but it has remained relatively consistent.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Freeborn

Check your facts.
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It's not really a reporting period.

It's a rather arbitrary picked period where during a peak London briefly had more reported murders than New York.

For the full year New York was much higher than London.

The reason it was so widely reported was because it was so unusual.

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: RazorV66

I just heard some kind of computer virus and electronic attacks are taking place also.

Searching further now...

Something tells me you would be singing a different song if you had a kid killed in one of these attacks.

That much is known.

And... what's your point.

You think I think the gun is the problem or I'd think it was if I lost a loved one?

My point is showing you how you are willing to not do anything

It just goes to show you have absolutely no understanding of the monumental task which you speak, bad guys will always find a way and/or have guns.

Maybe if you live on some tiny island the size of a county in the United States.

You also don't seem to understand human nature very well because when you tell someone not to do something it usually wants to make them do that something more... or find new more innovative/destructive ways of doing the same thing.

Better let them keep their pea-shooters...

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

So when a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy or a terrorist I should thank the good guys gun...

Got it, thanks.

So you are saying those people who committed the murders that obviously had issues should still legally be allowed to acquire a gun because somewhere there's a good guy with a gun? I bet there's a clear distinction between the good guy and the bad guy. I bet the good guy doesnt display red flags.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: RazorV66

I just heard some kind of computer virus and electronic attacks are taking place also.

Searching further now...

Something tells me you would be singing a different song if you had a kid killed in one of these attacks.

That much is known.

And... what's your point.

You think I think the gun is the problem or I'd think it was if I lost a loved one?

My point is showing you how you are willing to not do anything

It just goes to show you have absolutely no understanding of the monumental task which you speak, bad guys will always find a way and/or have guns.

Maybe if you live on some tiny island the size of a county in the United States.

You also don't seem to understand human nature very well because when you tell someone not to do something it usually wants to make them do that something more... or find new more innovative/destructive ways of doing the same thing.

Better let them keep their pea-shooters...

You really arent a good person are you? You really dont want to do anything do you? You're so married to the constitution that a simple thing like stricter laws preventing those with red flags or history of depression or suicidal thoughts of emotionally disturbed people would find it harder to acquire guns? There's a lot of common traits between these school shooters. You want to say im unaware? I think you need to look at things from outside of your perspective. You cant eliminate all gun violence. You can prevent some. Or do nothing and sweep it all under the rug. Your choice. Sheesh, you really are a virus.

a reply to: ExiledSpirit777

You only care about the gun because you don't care about the Christian children.

Otherwise your focus would be on them.

originally posted by: ExiledSpirit777
There's a lot of common traits between these school shooters.

This isn't a school shooting, you must be mistaken?

This is a Church massacre perpetrated by a psychopathic Democrat with gender dysphoria.

a reply to: Freeborn

Nope. You said it didn't happen and I knew it did and I proved it. I said for one reporting period London passed New York and it did. Don't dismiss it as irrelevant because it only lasted a few months. Its not. And the liberal response was just as relevant - ban knives. Its the same thing every time and that is why this never changes.

a reply to: Freeborn

So in other words, you're dealing in facts and reality so its ok but they aren't so its not ok.

Isn't that the entire point here? The phrase "deny ignorance" extrapolated would indicate your quote.

Having watched and observed for quite a number of years now as far as I can tell both sides seem to come from an incredibly locked in perspective and are as equally intolerant of other viewpoints as each other.

I can't say anything about your opinion and perspective but where it concerns me is a Constitutional rights issue. Not just mine but my family that fought to keep them and my responsibility to see that my lineage keeps them as well.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Freeborn
I can't say anything about your opinion and perspective but where it concerns me is a Constitutional rights issue. Not just mine but my family that fought to keep them and my responsibility to see that my lineage keeps them as well.

Not to mention how moot it is to debate the subject for because they are the very reason you have the Constitution.

England is lost...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Knives are not going to be banned, its a stupid suggestion and no-one takes it seriously at all.

Now you're desperately trying to prove yourself right because for two months out of literally decades of statistics and data more murders occurred in London than in New York.

Come on.
A freak low in New York murder rate coincided with a freak high in London murder rates.
Its an outlier......nothing more to it.

Currently the murder rate in London is 1.4 per 100,000 and in New York it is 5.8.
That is significantly greater.

Even in the year you highlighted the murder rate was more than double.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

England is lost...

Less than Russia, less than Mexico... less than zero

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Freeborn

Nope. You said it didn't happen and I knew it did and I proved it. I said for one reporting period London passed New York and it did. Don't dismiss it as irrelevant because it only lasted a few months. Its not. And the liberal response was just as relevant - ban knives. Its the same thing every time

and that is why this never changes.

The claim name by M5 was

Murder rate in London is as bad as in NYC despite gun bans in London. Most murders in London are with knives, so bad that they are looking, stupidly, at knife bans, which won't change anything.

Do you think a 2 month period 5 years ago supports that claim?

a reply to: JinMI

My original point was that you said you were sick of the '"If you don't agree with me and my twisted sense of morality....." attitude shown by the other side and I pointed out that both sides were as bad as each other; two sides of the same coin.

You believe you are presenting facts.
They believe they are presenting facts.
Both sides have locked in perspectives and quite intolerant attitudes.

Two sides of the same coin.

Your gun laws are your concern.
I've voiced my opinion many times.
Its for you guys to sort out.

Your Constitution?
Your business again.

a reply to: Freeborn

My original point was that you said you were sick of the '"If you don't agree with me and my twisted sense of morality....." attitude shown by the other side and I pointed out that both sides were as bad as each other; two sides of the same coin.

And my point was that when my "side" is represented it's qualified with facts and at least some knowledge on the subject and/or topic.

You believe you are presenting facts.
They believe they are presenting facts.
Both sides have locked in perspectives and quite intolerant attitudes.

I'm very intolerant of anti constitutionalist. Call it a quirk.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Replying to yourself?

Just the standard anti-British paranoia.....even if it is gibberish.
(You can't help but have a Brit as your profile picture can you!)

You should concentrate on being weird.

You still make me laugh though.
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: iamthevirus

Replying to yourself?

Just feeling the waters in the rant section here, seeng what my testy arse can get away with.

Just the standard anti-British paranoia.....even if it is gibberish.

If klatuu came down from outer space and stopped the world or Jesus came down from heaven and said "see do you believe me now?" you guy would be like "nope" We're British!

(You can't help but have a Brit as your profile picture can you!)

give yins a better feel for meh

You should concentrate on being weird.

Thanks, if you'd kindly donate s&f to the cause I am trying to get lightning bolts on my ATS social credit scoring system, I don't care about the other ones can I trade the stars and trophy for lighting? lightning is Very Metal!

You still make me laugh though.
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a reply to: Freeborn

I agree, it was stupid. But the suggestion was still made, by liberals, because stupid. I am not desperately trying to do anything and your false characterizations do not help your case. I was right and you cant admit it because it would mean admitting you are wrong, something liberals are virtually incapable of. That is why they insist on repeating the same failed policies for decades rather than admit the policy failed and pursue a more viable course of action.

The fact that London passed New York at all is noteworthy. It doesn't matter that it was for a brief period. The victims are just as dead and the friends and families are just as devastated by it. So don't waste your breath telling me it was an outlier and nothing more. Go tell it to the grieving family and friends and see if they think its just a statistical outlier meant to be ignored.

Everything about your perception of these events is infuriating. You are actually willing to sit here and make excuses for not taking those lost lives seriously in the name of political expedience. You demonize one weapon and give a complete and total pass to the other. You are apparently outraged at one senseless loss of life yet you ignore it when its not sensational enough for you.

You make me sick.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I said the murder rate in London passed New York for one reporting period. I was exactly and precisely correct and I proved it. What part of that confused you? You and some others here are trying to marginalize the fact by pointing out it was just for a short period of time. The victims are just as dead and the families and friends are just as devastated. If you were face to face with the families of the victims would you tell them it was just a 2 month period so don't get upset about it?

The claim made in the other post is correct since it did not express a duration of the event, only that it happened. I was a little more accurate saying it was for one reporting period which ended up being two months. I did not claim it was sustained nor did I claim one is as bad as the other. Though, for those two months, they were very nearly identical with London just ahead of New York. And it was done with knives after guns had been banned. So, what part of that do you dispute?

The claim made by freeborn was that it never happened. I knew it did and I proved it.