The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: ltrz2025

A thoughtful thread ltrz. I thought you might like this tune.

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originally posted by: nugget1
The Bible almost reads like a power-play to have
dominion over the human species,
one created by fallen angels and
. . . 'superior' race created by God.
The Bible gives us the Jewish version of religions,
while all others are deemed wrong and hedonistic.

I agree totally, the jewish bible teaches
power, control, crowns and throne
However, when Jesus entered the scene, he
(as the Testament writes ) said . . .
"There is no Jew nor Greek,
No Slave nor Free" (Equality)
Along with Jesus's disdain for both the
Jewish Pharisees "lovers of money" and
the Jewish Sadducee those
(obsessed with dominion of race and bloodlines),
Jesus instead taught us the perspective of
Equality NT.
Is Equality defined as communism in these terms ? No.
Sadly it seems that the hypothetical
'pharisees and sadducee' have
re-emerged, along with battle for a throne.
Will we ever learn ? *sigh*


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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Jesus and his disciples lived a life of voluntary poverty, but that didn't mean everyone just drop all they have and stop everything they do to become one with Jesus.

The descriptions of Acts indicate that Jesus and his "commies" sold ALL the possessions they had. It's clearly written there, why are you denying this?...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The thing is that Jesus did not say it was wrong for the young man to have wealth, rather, the Lord tells him to sell his possessions and give to the poor if he wanted to be perfect. Jesus’ main lesson is to help the poor, and since this young man had great wealth, he should give to those living in poverty. This is charity plain and simple for all to look at helping those around them.

LOL, friend, Jesus' MAIN lesson was how to obtain the salvation of your soul, he wasn't UNICEF. The word "perfect", actually means "complete", referring to the God's Complete and Perfect Salvation in Jesus Christ. Perfect is how you gain your way to heaven. Not easy being a Christian.

Its hilarious to watch a non-Christian tell Christians how they need to live; as if they are single handedly bringing down the whole facade.


Show us on the doll where Christians hurt you.

a reply to: ketsuko

I am but a lottery win from a commune startup myself. Pretty much a work the land, sell food and furniture as able in order to pay property taxes.

Only communism/socialism in the sense of collaborative work to maintain functional isolation from the rest of society.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Consider:

If everyone did as you suggest, then no one could care for anyone as no one would have anything.

a reply to: Ahabstar

I suggest you are very, very selective about whom you allow to join you in communal paradise.

I am actually not against the idea though. I was kind of hoping the Tenacious Unicorn Ranch would make a go of it. I don't necessarily agree with the LGBT lifestyle, but if they want to go off and create their own communes and group living arrangements inside the country, sort of like the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites have, then I am all for it. In fact, I'd rather they did that than seek to impose their personal lifestyle preferences on the rest of the country.

If sequestration is what it takes in order for them to feel safe, than I am all for it.

Of course, the Tenacious Unicorn went pear shaped which is also to be expected for most leftist ventures. A ranch is hard work, and alpacas are more difficult than average.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ltrz2025

A thoughtful thread ltrz. I thought you might like this tune.

Thank you Terry. A large percentage of my blood is of Celtic origin, so to that

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ltrz2025
My point is that you keep going back to these old societies and ancient Christians and admonishing us that "this is the way" like you're the Mandalorian. The problem is that if these were viable ways to live and survive, people would be still be doing it.

For the 6th time, at no point my aim was to debate or promote the feasibility of socialistic/communistic societies. If they are "successful" or if they all die in hunger and pain, makes no difference to me or to my point. Then, religious salvation, that's God's salvation, is a "This is the Way" thing. It's a black or white thing, and necessarily means that it has to be permanent (that is disregarding if it's ancient or not). You are either saved or not. If your law orders you to eat pizza with your feet, then you must, or you go to hell. Period.

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Why even bother? Unless you want to yell at people who defend their religion. Cool shtick for agents of chaos, but come on.

By your logic I can say Jesus also supported Anarchy.

33Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.”

So there you have it. Every modern day service member is evil according to Jesus teachings when taken out of context. Which clearly stands against country before God. Hence, Jesus is technically also an anarchist.

a reply to: ltrz2025

AH, so you are arguing all about legalism, and that's what the Pharisees' down fall was. They were all about using the law to harm or hurt others, like a great big game of gotcha. They weren't living in the spirit of it, only in the letter. You see the letter that says "x", but without the spirit, you aren't seeing why it says what it does.

This is why you are getting the pushback you are. You aren't in the spirit, but that comes with not being a believer.

a reply to: ketsuko

LOL. First, I don't care about any "pushbacks", we live in a world of whiners, I'm used to that. All I care is about arguments and I still need to find one that's better than mine; hope I do. Second, the religious God is the one who "creates" the "laws" for people to achieve salvation, not me. Faith is, of course, of the outmost necessity, but disobeying the law is paid with hell, according to these scriptures.

a reply to: ltrz2025

No. You are convinced of your own brilliance with what you've read. You have had plenty of counter arguments and not really addressed any of them except to dismiss them as personal attacks on you and similar. You haven't actually addressed where any of them have pulled scripture and countered your interpretations with their own.

Your interpretation is no more valid than anyone else's honestly and you should know that. So simply scoffing and telling us you win based on that isn't going anywhere.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Ah, yet again. Same as for the last 35+ years I have been reading many different view points.

Only picking out Christianity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all condemn concentrating on building excessive material wealth. Pretty much says it all I feel.

lol. Best regards.

originally posted by: Degradation33
Why even bother? Unless you want to yell at people who defend their religion. Cool shtick for agents of chaos, but come on.

I'm defending Christianity from the Christian apostates that usually populate in internet forums. If you are going to be a Christian and start judging everything that crosses your path, at least have the decency of being a real one. Which, I get, it's not easy! That's all.

originally posted by: Degradation33
By your logic I can say Jesus also supported Anarchy.

My logic in all this has been secondary, I simply quoted very clear and literal passages of the bible, which Christian apostates don't like to be remembered about, for obvious reasons. Then, you can speculate whatever you want about anything, my logic has nothing to do with that.

originally posted by: TruthJava
a reply to: ltrz2025

Ah, yet again. Same as for the last 35+ years I have been reading many different view points.

Only picking out Christianity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all condemn concentrating on building excessive material wealth. Pretty much says it all I feel.

lol. Best regards.

Cool that you keep reading, good for you. But, I think you should read my OP again, you completely missed my point.

The thread wasn't against Christianity, but against Christian apostates (people who claim to be Christian, but don't live according to what they preach). I'm actually defending Christianity from the apostate. I have absolutely no problem with Jesus being a communist, it was his choice and that of his followers. And if he was a capitalistic wealthy oilman, all good with that as well. I really don't care what any person does with their money or time.

I respect all faiths, people are free to believe in whatever story they want. I have very dear friends who practice all the religions you named. My point here was: if you are going to judge others with your personal belief, at least get your belief straight and don't be a hypocrite.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sure, whatever.

a reply to: ltrz2025

I'm defending Christianity from the Christian apostates that usually populate in internet forums. If you are going to be a Christian and start judging everything that crosses your path, at least have the decency of being a real one. Which, I get, it's not easy! That's all.

In other words, you don't like that we try to live by our faith as best we can, and sometimes, we do that in ways that upset you, so you are finding a legalism to come in here and attempt to judge us by. You want to try to make us squirm the same way you feel you have been made to squirm.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Not saying there's not definite commonalities. But Taoism is super communist by this metric. Especially the simplicity part. One of three main focuses along with compassion and patience. Not wanting is one the most common motifs in world religion.

Buddhism boils down to an affluent kid rebelling against his upper class Hindu Caste and basing a religion on desiring desirelessness. Buddha's way more commie than Christ.

It comes across like the message is "Haha, Holy roller types, your technically communist, now what are you going to do about it? Argue me!"

It's amusing, but I don't think it has a firm enough foundation to be much more than myopic provocation.