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Without actual dialogue all we're going to get is cloak & dagger guessing games, I think it's possible for all sides to be above that. The people who matter say maybe and that's a start right?
Let's say governments are as evil as suspected, optics then?
Sure doesn't look good for the West to scoff at being civilised. That's like giving ammunition to nutters and reasoning to the ones who aren't quite nuts in our collective opinion.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky declared that if America pulls military support from his country, the United States will “lose NATO” and its global leadership position.
originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: xuenchen
NATO is high on crack, composing epics for cheap giggles. That's why.
twitter.com...
originally posted by: MykeNukem
originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog
a reply to: JinMI
Where did I accuse you of being pro Russia? My argument isn't your view on Russia vs Ukraine it's that you are right to have an issue with people who scream you are a what ever phobe against people they disagree with while at the same time you agree with MykeNukem who's guilty of that very same behavior in your own thread.
Hey, hey, hey...
I'll accept the blame for my own words, thanks.
That was me, no one else.
The point of my comment is that we've beaten the Ukraine/Russia horse into a pulp, and I have no interest in arguing about the issue, anymore.
My comment had nothing to do with propaganda, but with viewpoints.
Sorry for getting my Troglodyte juice on your thread, Jin...
I saw no potential for dialogue with the stances on display, this is the closest we've got.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Timber13
But sadly by doing this, we've only sealed our status as the world's bully.
By "we" I guess you mean America when in reality it isn't America who started the war nor is it America who are the only country standing up to the aggressor , the UK has been at the forefront of the European response.
Ukraine is the aggressor. Do you even recall that Ukraine has been making war on its eastern citizens since 2014? Russia's patience ran out.
That is what Russian propaganda says.
Otherwise we'll have to see how the war develops until someone starts winning.
If we send modern weapons and equipment I suspect things will escalate drastically. There's a reason everything has limited range, limited stock or was outdated by the 90s.
I don't know what you're saying in the first part of your post. My point was that if those Ukrainians are returned, then maybe Ukraine could give some territory to Russian in exchange. And I was criticizing the Chinese plan for ignoring this.
originally posted by: quintessentone
What it looks like to me is that China is trying to mediate peace which would allow Putin to get out of Ukraine as well as saving face, but the West wants to grind him into the ground as a message to would be copycats.