Biden sending 200 US troops to Taiwan

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: putnam6

I would imagine the idea would be not to repeat history and/or learn from the likes of what transpired during the Vietnam war.

Not that i don't take your point all the same considering where military advice has led in the past.

You do recall that the Communist Chinese were backing the North VietCong while the US was backing the South Vietnamese?

Now, who was backing who in North Korea?

when you like it that way it's long overdue, we got a history together

Not to mention think tanks such as these are full of people pushing we can win... these are the types of people the Pentagon listens too this administration listens too.

FWIW we had better hope they are right, because right now we are on a collision course it seems

www.csis.org...

The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan

CSIS developed a wargame for a Chinese amphibious invasion of Taiwan and ran it 24 times. In most scenarios, the United States/Taiwan/Japan defeated a conventional amphibious invasion by China and maintained an autonomous Taiwan. However, this defense came at high cost. The United States and its allies lost dozens of ships, hundreds of aircraft, and tens of thousands of servicemembers. Taiwan saw its economy devastated. Further, the high losses damaged the U.S. global position for many years. China also lost heavily, and failure to occupy Taiwan might destabilize Chinese Communist Party rule. Victory is therefore not enough. The United States needs to strengthen deterrence immediately.

a reply to: Freeborn

You forgot-

Biden is mentally checked out
&
Everything in the world is part of his omnipotent back room connivery.

a reply to: putnam6

To be honest with you putnam6 i don't think war with China is a good idea present geopolitical climate and all that jazz.

That being said US armed forces are apparently geared toward being able to fight off the likes of Russia and China at the same time without breaking too much of a sweat.

I don't think testing the premise of the above argument is any sort of a good idea through or in any way desire to see that happen.

China needs the USA and European markets because without us to consume their export products their nation simply cannot sustain growth.

a reply to: The2Billies

How long before China sends troops to Ukraine to fight alongside Russia?

a reply to: The2Billies

no wartime President has failed to be re-elected.

Biden will be the first if there's any election integrity left.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: putnam6

To be honest with you putnam6 i don't think war with China is a good idea present geopolitical climate and all that jazz.

That being said US armed forces are apparently geared toward being able to fight off the likes of Russia and China at the same time without breaking too much of a sweat.

I don't think testing the premise of the above argument is any sort of a good idea through or in any way desire to see that happen.

China needs the USA and European markets because without us to consume their export products their nation simply cannot sustain growth.

Nor do I, certainly Xi and Biden know this, then why all the posturing and political theater? Is it just to manipulate the markets just to test the troops?

I downloaded the Taiwan invasion scenario at the link, too many smart people think losing 10,000 troops 4,000 sailors and 2 aircraft carriers is a win in a Taiwanese invasion scenario.

There could be enough pointing out that every month China's military gets stronger, better to force their hand now or risk the damage increasing later

a reply to: putnam6

If China sunk US carriers putnam6 via the likes of a swarm hypersonic missile attack i could see America taking out all of their ICBM farms in response.

Considering the 100s of billions of dollars worth of machine man and equipment that would be lost in such an attack.

And that would most likely be the beginning of a third world war.

Again war with China is not a good idea, same from a Chinese perspective, because they lose big time in any sort of war with America and her allies once the chips are down and the hand is dealt.

originally posted by: JAY1980
I wonder how America would react if China stationed even 1 troop in Puerto Rico?

I guess that would depend on whether or not the Puerto Rican Government invited them.

originally posted by: Freeborn
So, Biden is a Chinese stooge in the pay of the CCP.
Biden is seeking confrontation with China to get reelected.
Biden is weak.
Biden is a warmonger.

The same people accuse him of the same things.
He can't be all of them.

Sure he can. It isn't like any one precludes the others.

originally posted by: Freeborn
So, Biden is a Chinese stooge in the pay of the CCP.
Biden is seeking confrontation with China to get reelected.
Biden is weak.
Biden is a warmonger.

The same people accuse him of the same things.
He can't be all of them.

So which is it?

All of the above, sure his administration, puppet master can be.

a reply to: tanstaafl

So which is it.

Is Biden a senile doddering old fool and decrepit coffin dodger with handlers speaking into his ear at every turn?

Or an international criminal mastermind and pedophile that likes to sniff children and harvest their adrenochrome?

By my guesstimation, Biden is simply and old politician that happened to beat Trump because he was the lesser of two evils.

He's not up for shi@ti#g it from Putin all the same or backing down from his threats, same with Xi Jinping that's for sure.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: putnam6

If China sunk US carriers putnam6 via the likes of a swarm hypersonic missile attack i could see America taking out all of their ICBM farms in response.

Considering the 100s of billions of dollars worth of machine man and equipment that would be lost in such an attack.

And that would most likely be the beginning of a third world war.

Again war with China is not a good idea, same from a Chinese perspective, because they lose big time in any sort of war with America and her allies once the chips are down and the hand is dealt.

I don't think China see's it that way. Like Putin, the Chinese think they are invincible and will prevail. The Chinese Party mentality is they are superior to everyone else on the planet and so will defeat everyone else and rule the world. That is their quite open 100 year plan the way I understand it.

www.forbes.com...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

So which is it.

Is Biden a senile doddering old fool and decrepit coffin dodger with handlers speaking into his ear at every turn?

Or an international criminal mastermind and pedophile that likes to sniff children and harvest their adrenochrome?

By my guesstimation, Biden is simply and old politician that happened to beat Trump because he was the lesser of two evils.
He's not up for shi@ti#g it from Putin all the same or backing down from his threats, that's for sure.

The US government is like the Soviet Politburo now.

Biden just does as he's told to do.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: The2Billies

no wartime President has failed to be re-elected.

Biden will be the first if there's any election integrity left.

I find that hysterical.

a reply to: The2Billies

I don't think China is stupid The2Billies no matter how the party in power attempts to project superiority.

And just like Putin and the Russian Federation forces, they are far from invincible.

Again if China decides to take on America or reinforce Putin's forces in Ukraine they would simply be biting the hand that feeds them by my guess.

Guess time will tell, cooler heads need to prevail imho.

a reply to: DBCowboy

End of the day DBCowboy, they all do as they are told to a certain extent, politicians that is, along with the rest of us.

Because the fact of the matter is that the lobbyists and bankers call a lot of the shots from behind that big curtain that constitutes democracy, the same with any other rule of government yet devised by man.

Money talks, the rest of us simply do the walk.

Nonetheless, democracy is the preferred modus operandi compared to the alternatives on offer even if it is a prison where the majority cannot see the bars.

a reply to: putnam6

they're basically a trigger, same as the marines sitting on the DMZ in South Korea. They are not meant to hold anything back, or to defend anything. They are meant to be collateral damage in the event of war. I remember reading an article about the DMZ. if hostilities broke out, the life expectancy of a marine was 30 seconds. Thats the time it took a artillery barrage to hit a location, and the chance at a reload. basically two hits. The expectation was the initial hit wouldn't kill them, but the subsequent ones would. As far as Taiwan goes, same rules apply. Taiwan would defend the water, but eventually a landing force would hit with air power. those 200 are meant to be there when TSHTF. if they take a hit more reason to defend. if not, and china tries to avoid them, well they are protecting an asset.

originally posted by: The2Billies
China has a severe excess of young fighting age males with no prospects of ever having a family or a normal sex life unless they become homosexual, which is unacceptable in their culture.

Won't happen, there won't be a war because it would be absolute carnage, and the world just doesn't need that. Everything being done is to delay such an occurrence.

It would be carnage on both sides and many American lives would be lost (unacceptable), but it would be a complete wipe-out and we would cause such severe losses to the Chinese we might actually end up looking like the bad guy anyway.

Sure, China has a million and a half people standing army, but as you said, they're mostly inexperienced boys. Even the Chinese military "veterans" are just soldiers on paper and have never fought a real war. And we see from Russia's debacle in Ukraine what happens when you send inexperienced, young soldiers, led by inexperienced leaders into battle. It's carnage. Nobody wants that.

Like it or not, our entire military are experienced soldiers who have seen multiple wars. Recently. They have real battle experience and the emotional stability for them. This is not a great thing for them, but we're that country. It's not gonna end up very well for anyone else.

a reply to: The2Billies

They cant both Ukraine or Taiwan one of the two the chicken hawks have to decide either Ukraine or Taiwan.

a reply to: andy06shake

And just like Putin and the Russian Federation forces, they are far from invincible.

Yet the Americans believe they are invincible and are to afraid of sending their jet fighters, modernized tanks to Ukraine only because they had admitted now that sending them should those vehicles to Russia for their secrets to be exposed.


Its why the west is sending Ukraine mostly old vehicles.

In other words the US isn't invincible as it claims that it is either.


China and Russia has resources that the west doesn't.