Ukraine is a battle for future of democracy Biden.

a reply to: vNex92

Oh FFS.🙄

"Democracy" again, Jotato?!

Coming out of his sewer, that's a mouthful! (God willing)

I can't believe some mudhole of a country is going to pull the whole world into war. It's not even Ukraine, Russia or the US, its just a bunch of entitled psychopaths who think they'll live forever and get off on their power to shed blood with impunity.

Get ready for another round of our kids being sent off to the MIC meat grinder.

There's absolutely NOTHING patriotic about this, I don't care how it's framed.

a reply to: JinMI

Yup, the US has its fair share of horrible foreign policy.

But we also brought a lot of the world into the middle class.

How much of the world have we helped with our patrol of the seas?

Germany and Japan should hate us, yet they’re allied and prospering after a defeat.

Aside from foreign policy, what had our innovation and culture given to the world so that they can communicate and trade?

Maybe, just maybe, countries want to be in that group of nations. Even if they’re not stable, maybe it’s worth the risk.

I’m willing to see our flaws. But I absolutely fail to see how the shell of the USSR somehow has some moral high ground fighting for the freedom of mankind. I know you don’t see it that way, but that’s how many would have us believe it.

I can say whatever I want (outside of cringe platforms), I can own guns, almost any asset I want, I can trade on global markets. Who in the eastern sphere of influence can say they can openly and easily trade assets, commodities, real estate and say what’s on their mind?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Even with the Budapest memorandum, I think we’re getting too involved… but I’m not about to feel sorry for Russia.

Russia didn't start the conflict for the past 8 years that has being raging in Ukraine.
US govt did.

Lindsey Graham & John McCain in Ukraine. Your Fight is our fight.

The problem for these hawkish Elitists was Trump and Steve Bannon.

They got rid of them and accused Bannon of corruption unpaid bills? but not the Biden admin or the hawkish Republicans that wanted this war in Ukraine to happen.



Seems that US has its fair share of its own corruption.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

But we also brought a lot of the world into the middle class.

At what cost?

How much of the world have we helped with our patrol of the seas?

At what cost?

Maybe, just maybe, countries want to be in that group of nations. Even if they’re not stable, maybe it’s worth the risk.

Maybe, but we dont get to decide for them. Nor do we get to dictate that other countries cant create their own. Ala BRICS.

I can say whatever I want (outside of cringe platforms),

Are Twitter, Reddit and Facebook cringe platforms?

I can own guns

Terms and conditions apply. See your local government for details. These devices arent meant to treat or cure any illness nor is the term "arms" all encompassing.

I can trade on global markets

Stocks, via a govt approved broker.
Crypto though.......

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The US used their mind control 5g waves to take control of Putin

I suppose you dont have a clue on what USAID is or does. Or the considering the fact that the US had being involved in color revolutions like the 2013 regime change in Kiev.


The US had being doing these color revolutions for the past decade and most recently Turkey. Erdogan was warned of this regime change in Turkey.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

yet they’re allied

Japan isn't allied. America is occupying them. America has forbidden Japan to have their own military, their own army is only for self defense, and defense pact of defense system for Japan nothing more.

The US had being trying to change the Japanese culture for decades by urging them to be more "Western" with western polices and ideologues.


Germany is in the similar situation as Japan.


Germany wants to have good relationship with Russia. The US doesn't.

a reply to: vNex92

Robot Biden keeps pulling out the same phrases and applying them to a multitude of situations and events.

Last year, he used the "Battle for Democracy" to describe how critically important the midterm elections were for America.

From Fall 2022: www.nbcnews.com...

a reply to: JinMI

At what cost?

Are Twitter, Reddit and Facebook cringe platforms?

A lot, all bitter sweet.

On one hand we violently killed, idk, millions through our infancy as a nation. On the other, can we quantify how many more millions we’ve enriched.

And that can be said for any current or former super power. People can suck at the end of the day.

Are Twitter, Reddit and Facebook cringe platforms?

Yes.

I don’t consume two of them, but will admit Reddit as a guilty pleasure since my feed is curtailed. I wouldn’t even have to cherry pick to point out much of it is a factory for cringe though.


As for the guns and trading. Helps if you pick the right state.

I’m not concerned about gun ownership any time soon. As for crypto, the beauty of it is it can’t really be regulated. Just use a DEX and not a centralized exchange. At the end of the day our government gets in a tiff when things challenge it’s financial institution and what not, but I still have access to ways to circumvent their silly rules (if I wanted to, but of course I’m a law abiding citizen who lost all of their boom sticks to some incompetent movers using boats).

In 2-6 years, it will be a different side talking about how we’re literally worse than Russia and China. Rinse and repeat.

a reply to: vNex92

Funny, the US wants to lift the restriction of Japanese offensive capabilities so we can have an ally close to China… the Japanese are resisting such efforts.

As for Germany, I’m sure we could find more nuance in their relations to Russia. I’m sure the Russians have an interesting take on such. The UK and US have also have a very complicated relationship with Germany, but alas, our cultural ties don’t have to be explored further than our own language which is in fact Germanic.

Where are Russias allies? Surely nations are lining up against mean ol America. Iran, North Korea, Belarus, some postcard nations. Quite the list.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The entire point to the questions I asked was to highlight what we are exporting.

Its not freedom and I can understand why another nation, especially one with a history just may not want it.

"Better" is subjective

On one hand we violently killed, idk, millions through our infancy as a nation. On the other, can we quantify how many more millions we’ve enriched.

Dont you find this just a tad bit silly?

We cant quantify either statistic but use it as impetous for public facinh foreign policy?

a reply to: JinMI

Dont you find this just a tad bit silly?

Absolutely. But let’s not forget what I said right after.

I wasn’t justifying human nature but acknowledging it. Yea, America is imperfect and we have a laundry list of things we desperately need to address.

But if we’re talking about super powers, where do we stand? Granted, looking through our lens against historical empires is a fools errand, but even recently we see we’re a manifestation of a different way of thinking. How did the USSR or China project their power?

It’s just odd to me there’s a sudden movement toward sympathy for the eastern sphere of influence.

There’s an argument for our distancing of any conflict over there. But it’s not in painting us out to be worse than the east, it’s highlighting our involvement is damaging to our own situation. We’re still vastly more free than any citizen in that quasi alliance. Best we keep if that way.

a reply to: JinMI

Dont you find this just a tad bit silly?

Absolutely. But let’s not forget what I said right after.

I wasn’t justifying human nature but acknowledging it. Yea, America is imperfect and we have a laundry list of things we desperately need to address.

But if we’re talking about super powers, where do we stand? Granted, looking through our lens against historical empires is a fools errand, but even recently we see we’re a manifestation of a different way of thinking. How did the USSR or China project their power?

It’s just odd to me there’s a sudden movement toward sympathy for the eastern sphere of influence.

There’s an argument for our distancing of any conflict over there. But it’s not in painting us out to be worse than the east, it’s highlighting our involvement is damaging to our own situation. We’re still vastly more free than any citizen in that quasi alliance. Best we keep if that way.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

How they projected their power was inflitration, subterfuge and espionage (not unlike us). To which the fruits of that labor have begun.

It’s just odd to me there’s a sudden movement toward sympathy for the eastern sphere of influence.

If my words carry any sympathy, its for the people of those nations.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

There’s an argument for our distancing of any conflict over there. But it’s not in painting us out to be worse than the east, it’s highlighting our involvement is damaging to our own situation. We’re still vastly more free than any citizen in that quasi alliance. Best we keep if that way.

Freedom is not free, and we should be grateful to live in a nation where we can say anything we want-as long as it doesn't offend a single person.

We're free to abort our unwanted children and lop off the body parts of our children that succumb to the latest gender dysmorphia craze.

We're free to refuse an untested vaccine-in exchange for our ability to work and provide for our families.

I think the appeal of 'eastern sphere of influence' may be what appeals to the older generation that is not the least bit happy with where this 'woke' agenda is going.

The US is just as authoritarian as the eastern nations, but disguises it as 'freedom'.

At least eastern countries know what the rules are; in western nations they move the bar on a daily basis.

Can there be no compromise? No middle of the road? Which nations flaws are worse?

There's much outcry over how China treats the Uyghurs, yet in America Caucasians are now expected to succumb to 'white guilt' over events that happened nearly two hundred years ago, or because they're not the minority population.

Weighing the pros and cons of east versus doesn't seem to give either one superiority.

a reply to: nugget1

There is no place no country on this world that is not rotten and corrupt and oppressive ... Diff packages and ways of doing things .. but the result is the same slavery .... Some are slaves in harsh conditions....some have more luxuries and privileges. But all are slaves .. In bondage from Cradle to grave. The mind programmed from birth to conform .... Soul and spirit crushed from a young age...that is universally spread upon this earth ... No nation on this planet knows what freedom is....

Imagine being an incontinent actor wearing a silicone mask. Imagine representing a regime that has just disenfranchised 800 Million people by stealing an election. And finally imagine going around promoting muh demaaacracy.

a reply to: nugget1

I don’t know what country in the west you live in, so that probably has some bearing.

But in the US, I’d find most of your points hyperbolic to say the least, or a cherry picking of extremely isolated instances to paint that picture. Life for most of us rarely has anything culture war related pop up in the day to day, or would be a rarity.

I don’t even know a trans person. I don’t know anyone who was forced to get the vax except my doctor (who has a private practice, and even then only because he does two days a week at the VA).

And setting aside the hyperbole, I could for a moment humor the argument Russia is similar for citizens. If we look at Moscow and St Petersburg. Those citizens live a lifestyle with relative flexibility and freedom as long as you toe the line. For the rest the argument isn’t as much about rights, but there’s just zero opportunity. The largest nation on earth, and a population about half of the US, yet it’s economy is about the size of Texas. I’m sure some here would rather blame America than their long list of authoritarian rulers.

As for China, no, there is no comparison. Welded into your dwelling, cities shut down years later, social credit score, you literally can’t talk about the government without getting a visit.

Again, I find it hysterical many people are suddenly sympathetic of the Eastern Sphere of influence. It was only three years ago they were the ones so critical of that region. And we could ask ourselves what has changed, and we all know the answer. Personally I find it fickle for people’s world view to be defined by their president and if they like them. I haven’t liked a president in my lifetime, so maybe that’s why I’m so confused.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

We need stop criticising countries and realise the real problem is the power structures
Go to any nation on earth the people are much the same in some respects..they have hopes and dreams and want to be happy ...have families and make the best for themselves they can. Along comes government and f***s it all up for everyone
We don't need armies to protect us from other countries we need armies to protect us from other governments...

a reply to: Hiram33

I don’t think many would argue with you.

I’m always of the impression the context is always the governments.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don’t know what country in the west you live in, so that probably has some bearing.

It's right under my avatar where it says 'Location'.

As for China, no, there is no comparison. Welded into your dwelling, cities shut down years later, social credit score, you literally can’t talk about the government without getting a visit.

Just because the US doesn't face those extremes YET doesn't mean it can't/won't happen. You have to willfully ignore the similarities with all of the questionable legislation being passed at lightening speed in the last three years.

The U.S Government lied about Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen and South/Middle America… How come people think they are telling the truth about Ukraine, so whatever......