Plan for Peace

a reply to: zuiquankungfu

I would agree with Russia's stance why should the world continue exist without Russia?

It was the Russians that were the first ones that set humanity into space.
With the first space race.



The US Helsinki Commission directly calls for Russia to be de colonized.
Its 1000 years as a civilization status removed?

If we get rid of nukes women won't have rights anymore. We will be taken back to a time when men were men and women were glad…and the sheep may have been a little scared..Theyre never gonna let that happen.

a reply to: TTU77

The only way this is going away is if Putin and Zelenskyy go away, step down.

Then hold closely monitored regional elections and give the people what they want.

No Nato, no nukes, the world walking proudly and safely into the future, honorable. But alas and beyond measure, so surely shall the king be upon the earth - the true king of the earth - who earned the right to rule by sacricing his very life, holy life, for the Earth exists for you.

We shall have our king, and his name is mercy.
The king, faith beyond sight, forever upon eternity, you've been and so shall you be always.

Just great joy, great joy

Why not, why can't we. Have peace -- because no government or anthing created by man shall - have it right and have it good upon the true and glorious, arrays in dream.

I still say a weak ass answer of small "change" is the least this conflict requires to resolve.

Enlighten me further, then, in wisdom
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Why not

a reply to: TTU77

Yeah, like appeasement of invady dictators has always turned out well in our history.

Perhaps the Allies should have given Hitler what he wanted?

I have seen some demented nonsense on here, but this just sets a new standard?

a reply to: TTU77

It's a noble idea but one that I'm not sure is even possible. Putin would have to agree to dissolve it's nukes and NATO agreeing to disolve itself afterwards. It's a compromise that depends on the trust of each other and I doubt that is going to happen.

It's a utopian proposal to rid the world of nuclear weapons and I'm not sure how that would be done without some drastic world event.

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: TTU77

It's a noble idea but one that I'm not sure is even possible. Putin would have to agree to dissolve it's nukes and NATO agreeing to disolve itself afterwards. It's a compromise that depends on the trust of each other and I doubt that is going to happen.

It's a utopian proposal to rid the world of nuclear weapons and I'm not sure how that would be done without some drastic world event.

So we can pretend a dream, where the earth was wise enough, grew enough, understood enough with so much love. This is when hard cold calculus require to deep strech the hand. There is a time and place, haha.

Utopian, when is logistics utopian. Come up with a utopian way no strategic or tactical nukes are used, upon the stretch of time.

Just fold it - fold it all - Nato and Nukes - and We Win.

Smell the Air -- there is no half measure = NATO 100% and Putin in paranoid shiz attack from encroachment NATO.

The map was meandered useless ages ago, Nato, Upon a Russia, haha. It's century old thought. Dissolve the unnecessary, look upon future trend lines, trajectory, peace, upon capitlistic blades, it begins and ends here.

Atleast until AI wipes us off the map.

Nukes Now, or AI later -- welcome to the madness of the madhouse that is ATS.

# off

I don't like talking much. Rather just slowing and chilling in the ethereal fields.

a reply to: TTU77

how about we just globally disarm and all nations reduce their military spending completely and ban the sale of arms and ordnance globally for militaries or private armies and the only weapons you are allowed are to hunt for survival.

we then use the money on resolving energy , food , poverty and climate

we all live happily ever after as global resources are shared among us instead of fought over like children

a reply to: didntasktobeborned

sheep are still scared in parts of the UK

hahahah

one of us needs to step up to the plate and disarm first though as an olive branch

be the bigger nation

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: TTU77

how about we just globally disarm and all nations reduce their military spending completely and ban the sale of arms and ordnance globally for militaries or private armies and the only weapons you are allowed are to hunt for survival.

we then use the money on resolving energy , food , poverty and climate

we all live happily ever after as global resources are shared among us instead of fought over like children

Someone gets it, the vibe of God.

It'll come, just wish some brethren would listen, - just let it be

originally posted by: sapien82
one of us needs to step up to the plate and disarm first though as an olive branch

be the bigger nation

The precedent is set.

Tsssssk. Ouch

Burning and on fire, now has the time been and is now.

Over and over, just safe.

Upon the perfect face of understanding.

As children we were and are, and look at us still.

So shall it be then, just peace, just a dream, a sky uninteruppted.

Love and life and light, okay then bye

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originally posted by: didntasktobeborned
If we get rid of nukes women won't have rights anymore. We will be taken back to a time when men were men and women were glad…and the sheep may have been a little scared..Theyre never gonna let that happen.

Have we ever controlled them thus, hell no, let them be as the winds of God - blow by, as best we can hope.


I'm an alien on acid, not afraid - coo,

Lets not finish firsth

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Posted in another thread, but fits here nicely, to gather my thoughts on this.

We the people have failed to gather our strength. Once we manage to direct our voice into one source, an app based and web based one, we will inherit our rightful power to see our collective wills acheived, which are basic and humane. No wars, feed people, protect biodiversity, etc.
This is the promise and idea of democracy. We just need to implement it. The mechanism is simple as #. We the people demand and will create our source, channeled through a collective, common website, app supported, with local chapters to visit and speak and simply mingle, that is financed, with the support of the right, respectful people behind the scences implementing the policy to make the offical channel of voice into policy.

That moment, no longer will the people we elect in good faith hinder us. When our collective will is evident and measured, what voice, power, system, or threat can go against all 300 million of us in the USA, all 7 billion of us on Earth. Who can swim against such a stream. They be thrown into the depths of the ocean in a row boat against a raging storm. We will become both the ocean and the storm.

In our current system, democracy literally means, who will we elect to rob, still, lie, split, manipulate and kill us all in the name to start endless wars killing 10's of millions of people around the world. That is our system, our government.

Funding for an app/website, connecting to the right people to implement the source into the system in policy and constitution ammendments, and a dozen or so gatherings and marches with millions or so people is what it will take. Which is not much to stop all of these headaches for us, I think. A small price to pay.

I GOT YOUR BACK

ANYONE WHO GOES AGAINST THIS WISE PERSONS WORDS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THREAD...IS...IN MY OPINION...AND IS ALSO AS WELL...PART OF THE PROBLEM.

and should eat a bag of richards .

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TTU77


You make no sense.
And yes you are a Putin sympathizer.

I sympathize with the world, its people, and all governments.

Base and ignoble people like you are the most common type, which fill the ranks of the government even.

That is the grab.

We will never see noble and selfless actions of democratic republics until we have the proper mechanism in place to create a pool of wise and selfless leaders to choose from who are capable of choosing the highest good taking into account all possible calculuses, like the long term and taking into consideration things like the whole world and beyond its boundaries and not those who would lead us to WWIII to stay top dog in an economic game they may lose in the future because they are top dawg militarilty. Things like that and more. They should be educated in things actually relevant to what goes in society and the issues the modern world is facing, and we could vote on what issues they must prove efiiciency on in such matters - take for instance biodiversity loss, or a messy economy etc.

At the same time, voting a core curriculum on useful things to society, like distilling in the knowledge and experiences to them to actually have empathy for people and to be selfless to actually serve then and not the other way around, and being knowledgeable and attuned to will of the people, ya know by actually learning what they need and want -- which is another matter, a government forum that is actually a forum, not unlike ats, where issues are voted discussed and arranged in priority and placed on a timeline, to give the aspiring elect canditate time to become proficient in the future needs the society request even a decade earlier.

The alternative is crude people like you seem to be, immidiately judging and being divisive, filling the ranks of the republic. You are either this or that.

That is the mindest of someone with no insight, who only sees with the eyes and never looks within. Most people aren't noble because they never learned or experienced anything to give them a reason to be noble.

People like this, given any chance of choosing to increase there own wellbeing and power of that of others would always choose to selfishly horde knowledge and treasure because it would give them the illusion they are in control and in power due to the very scarcity they create -- that is their power. The selfish scarcity they create is the imbalance which gives them their power of the greater whole.

You simply broke when I said give Putin what he wants, thinking doing so we would be losing by doing so, but there is an art to negotiation and there must be harmony in it.

Everything goes back to before the war, no ceded territory and crimea is given back. We must be in an age where territories are never threatened. If any country can gain through war, the precedent is untenable in an age with nukes.
I think that is where we are at. If he gets any territorial gains, then everyone knows there is nothing to stop him from continually doing so again in the future, so this is off he negotiating table. So what is left then, utter defeat by Putin and him going back after a defeat from a Nato supplied Ukraine? Does anyone think this is likely?

If Putin wins this war and claims the landbridge to Crimea and its kept traditional with no nukes, he'll likely do so again in the future until all old Soviet territory is recovered. That is the grub Europe is contending with. If this happens, Russia will advance again at some point (because it works).

In the art of war, the generals always left a way out for the opposing army, never circle them entirely, because they knew, when an army has nothing to lose, they get desperate and fight like hell. The same victory won with less loss.

An indefinite support of Nato in this conflict could lead Putin to go nuclear once his war machine comes to a hault and he has no way out. No one wants that, so there needs to be a solution where no territory is lost by Ukraine because Europe knows it must curb russian expansion and on the flip side, Russia needs to be impecabbly secure without a doubt on Nato expansion, and the conflict ends.

At this point, a grand solution seems to be in order, a mediocre one lacks the potency to resolve this dangerous conflict. The world could and I think must use this crises as an opportunity for a seriously good and beneficial outcome to entire planet even the heavens would celebrate.

What better time to get rid of all the nukes and century year old war alliances when the world is most closest than it has ever been to using them and nuclear war?

Another post from another thread for my benefit.

Way more actions is needed.

And # those who agree with us and don't act. # there gold they don't spend.

The last hope rests with the people of the most powerful nation, moreso than others, has the highest chance of shifting things from the deep - to the light, the same way the light of the world - "us" - collectively was dragged down by the few we elect, democratically. Just as easy as they sold us out, so would I, and so would you, let us assume, unless one has ever had an experience or learned something special - like the highest mountain is outside all external events - jesting - as even communicating is a chore, where the highest is but no chore, rightfully so - which is the grab.

I get what you are saying though, fight the kabala, evil #ers who do the worst - they do, but don't wish to even mention -- Great. Yay and great and thanks and good.

Our salvation - the one we wish - will happen - and the lukewarm who agree to change and wish it in there hearts, yet not act, and sit silently by - like think full "sheep".

The government wants to kill us and other people and is its function, and is. This headaches that torments means something. It's a call - after seeing darkness - towards the light and outwards from warm waters - for being lukewarm for a human is even worse than an evil person - for atleast they are not feeling and admitting the world is love, full of grace and is holy for they are and see the light, so they are far more rich and blessed than those living in darkness and cannot see. For unlike the darkness have light, and know better, therefore a greater impotence is upon them. If you know the truth and don't act against those who can't see the truth and never known it, it means we are granted more light therefore dutibound unto its path- its a much bigger sin to not try preserve.

It's like Jasmin from Alladin, she gave a poor boy an apple without even realizng it needed money. If she gave it after knowing stealing is bad - isn't that an entirely different ballgame. Innonce has a fine line and once you cross it, best stay. For darkness is but innocenct of the light, the truth, never known it, so there actions have bigger leeway to be excused, yet those of us who would puke at child trafficking and even worst # I can't bare to mention, for what is corruption. Those billionaires are but fools who do not understand corruption, those few who torment us.