Plan for Peace

To stop the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants.

Dissolve Nato.

In return, they dissolve there nuclear arsenal.

In return all nations will do the same.

Now there is no threat on either side of destruction.

a reply to: TTU77

No

Why should Ukraine just give Putin what he wants?
Here is a thought, why doesn't Putin try to make nice with Ukraine, disarm anyways as Putin is clearly not responsible enough to have big boy toys.
Why should NATO dissolve?
Why are you such a Putin and CCP sympathizer?

There is no "war". War is the perfect business venture and both sides are actually working together, but pretending that they are not. All wars are bankers wars.

a reply to: ltrz2025
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I agree to an extent but I really don't think Putin cares about that and he is in charge of Russia.
Not the bankers. Putin would have you dissappear if you try to give him orders or play him if your a Russian banker.
His history of doing so is well documented.

a reply to: Allaroundyou

How dare you not like the perfect solution and absolute best outcome to this nasty event we could all hope for.

Nato exists because russia has nukes. If russian has no nukes, no need for nato.

If the world has no nukes, we all win.

Russia invaded Ukraine because of Nato's encrouchment. He feels Russia is threatened so if there is no threat, why would he ever need to expand his terrority in Ukraine so the solution of dissolving Nato would be golden to him. Why wouldn't he take it.

But before you call me a Putin sympathizer, what do we get. Well, the threat of Russian would become non existent, no nukes. There economy won't challenge us. There normal war efforts can't if they can't beat Ukraine.

He'd go for it, we'd all win.

Just fold the entire conflict. Look at the larger picture. Countries are concerned about security so the wisest path is to seek to minimize it as much as possible.

a reply to: TTU77


You make no sense.
And yes you are a Putin sympathizer.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: ltrz2025
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I agree to an extent but I really don't think Putin cares about that and he is in charge of Russia.
Not the bankers. Putin would have you dissappear if you try to give him orders or play him if your a Russian banker.
His history of doing so is well documented.

You have this idea of Putin being a hotshot, put there by the media and the memes, and the guy has all his fortune and his family living happily in Switzerland, like the rest of the European leaders and aristocracy. But well, believe whatever you want, I don't care.

a reply to: TTU77

I have a more betterer and more perfecterer solution that is as logical as yours solution, eliminate all people.

No people, no people to fight any wars.

Now isn't that better than your final solution?

Seriously, how can you think Putin is not going to be a problem with no nukes?

a reply to: ltrz2025


I think he is a hot shot in Russia.
But a dumb Dbag and way out of his limit.
And clearly you are the one falling for unverified anonymous claims by pagesix gossips column.
That's on you man.
You should probably do your research.

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Putin was put in power by the Clintons in 1999.

Putin has also been a great pupil of Karl Schwab for over a decade.

Governments around the world have only 1 enemy: their own population, which they work 24/7 to control and dominate.

All bankers are bankers wars. They always control both "sides" of every conflict.

a reply to: ltrz2025


Do you even know the how and why he got to where he is?
Like I said you should probably do your research.
Or just keep not helping yourself by showing your lack of historical knowledge.

I've actually logged in for the first time in Months just to say... You sir, are an idiot.

Mods, if this is too short, seen as an insult or a personal attack, you're right. It's all 3, The bloke is a moron.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TTU77


You make no sense.
And yes you are a Putin sympathizer.

Says the guy with literally no brains.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TTU77


You make no sense.
And yes you are a Putin sympathizer.

I sympathize with the world, its people, and all governments.

Base and ignoble people like you are the most common type, which fill the ranks of the government even.

That is the grab.

We will never see noble and selfless actions of democratic republics until we have the proper mechanism in place to create a pool of wise and selfless leaders to choose from who are capable of choosing the highest good taking into account all possible calculuses, like the long term and taking into consideration things like the whole world and beyond its boundaries and not those who would lead us to WWIII to stay top dog in an economic game they may lose in the future because they are top dawg militarilty. Things like that and more. They should be educated in things actually relevant to what goes in society and the issues the modern world is facing, and we could vote on what issues they must prove efiiciency on in such matters - take for instance biodiversity loss, or a messy economy etc.

At the same time, voting a core curriculum on useful things to society, like distilling in the knowledge and experiences to them to actually have empathy for people and to be selfless to actually serve then and not the other way around, and being knowledgeable and attuned to will of the people, ya know by actually learning what they need and want -- which is another matter, a government forum that is actually a forum, not unlike ats, where issues are voted discussed and arranged in priority and placed on a timeline, to give the aspiring elect canditate time to become proficient in the future needs the society request even a decade earlier.

The alternative is crude people like you seem to be, immidiately judging and being divisive, filling the ranks of the republic. You are either this or that.

That is the mindest of someone with no insight, who only sees with the eyes and never looks within. Most people aren't noble because they never learned or experienced anything to give them a reason to be noble.

People like this, given any chance of choosing to increase there own wellbeing and power of that of others would always choose to selfishly horde knowledge and treasure because it would give them the illusion they are in control and in power due to the very scarcity they create -- that is their power. The selfish scarcity they create is the imbalance which gives them their power of the greater whole.

You simply broke when I said give Putin what he wants, thinking doing so we would be losing by doing so, but there is an art to negotiation and there must be harmony in it.

Everything goes back to before the war, no ceded territory and crimea is given back. We must be in an age where territories are never threatened. If any country can gain through war, the precedent is untenable in an age with nukes.
I think that is where we are at. If he gets any territorial gains, then everyone knows there is nothing to stop him from continually doing so again in the future, so this is off he negotiating table. So what is left then, utter defeat by Putin and him going back after a defeat from a Nato supplied Ukraine? Does anyone think this is likely?

If Putin wins this war and claims the landbridge to Crimea and its kept traditional with no nukes, he'll likely do so again in the future until all old Soviet territory is recovered. That is the grub Europe is contending with. If this happens, Russia will advance again at some point (because it works).

In the art of war, the generals always left a way out for the opposing army, never circle them entirely, because they knew, when an army has nothing to lose, they get desperate and fight like hell. The same victory won with less loss.

An indefinite support of Nato in this conflict could lead Putin to go nuclear once his war machine comes to a hault and he has no way out. No one wants that, so there needs to be a solution where no territory is lost by Ukraine because Europe knows it must curb russian expansion and on the flip side, Russia needs to be impecabbly secure without a doubt on Nato expansion, and the conflict ends.

At this point, a grand solution seems to be in order, a mediocre one lacks the potency to resolve this dangerous conflict. The world could and I think must use this crises as an opportunity for a seriously good and beneficial outcome to entire planet even the heavens would celebrate.

What better time to get rid of all the nukes and century year old war alliances when the world is most closest than it has ever been to using them and nuclear war?

originally posted by: surfer_soul

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TTU77


You make no sense.
And yes you are a Putin sympathizer.

Says the guy with literally no brains.

What have I said that is incorrect?
Do you have anything of substance to add to the thread?
Do you know anything of substance?
Or just a one liner kind of child?

a reply to: TTU77

To stop the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants.

And then when he moves into Moldova give him that too ?

Your plan for peace is actually a plan for surrender that would embolden an expansionist Russia and still put our safety at risk.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: TTU77

I have a more betterer and more perfecterer solution that is as logical as yours solution, eliminate all people.

No people, no people to fight any wars.

Now isn't that better than your final solution?

Seriously, how can you think Putin is not going to be a problem with no nukes?

Great, a solution a souless ai would come up with in movie amazon would finance with bad writers, lol

Okay then, how would he be a threat with his traditional army?

We can all see how well its doing

a reply to: Allaroundyou

I’ve simply read your post history, which most of is incorrect, at least that which makes any kind of sense.

I’ve said it before so I won’t go on about how Putin is a puppet of Klaus Swaube, like so many global “leaders” just because there is some infighting amongst the elites doesn’t mean any of them have our interests at heart. They are merely about furthering their own agendas at our expense.

a reply to: TTU77


Eat your own words bud.

your own thread

You know nothing about the world around you and how it has and does and will work.
I have read most your threads and your comments.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: TTU77

To stop the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants.

And then when he moves into Moldova give him that too ?

Your plan for peace is actually a plan for surrender that would embolden an expansionist Russia and still put our safety at risk.

Ew, did you even read what I wrote? I explicitely addressed this concern.

I guess I shouldn't come out with saying "give the bad guy what he wants" as the opening line, as that immediately seems to trigger people and cuts of their logic.

The reason I did so is it seems he is the big baby crying on the scence about feeling insecure, he started this tantrum, as dangerous to world peace as it is, for whatever reason, which is inexcusalbe, even if nato does expand.

He seems the child to pacify, so like grown up adults do it, give the baby what he wants, the clowns in congress and potus get to be hereos, while the world truly takes a step forward in an elightened future.