Roman Catholic church and the Pope are pagan not Christian

Often here at ATS. former Roman Catholics talk about their leaving the Roman Catholic church and its beliefs and I can understand why.

If you are Roman Catholic, I am not calling you pagan, however you are being taught paganism by the Roman Catholic church.

I know many RMC (Roman Catholic) and some of them appear to seek out and worship God and they look to the Pope and to his church for guidance but are not aware of the danger the Pope and the Roman Catholic church promote and believe.

I believe it is crucial that you listen to the clip below. It is 77 minutes long, basically a church sermon. It will answer all your questions!!

Is 77 minutes worth saving you and your loved ones from hell? You will be surprised, possibly shocked at the information provided.




Revelation 18:4 - 3. All the nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her immorality. The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from the extravagance of her luxury.” 4. Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues. 5For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.…

Spiritual discernment shows the RMC church to be "The Babylon" that Apostle John speaks of in the book of Revelation. (Not the city of Babylon being rebuilt)

Cheers DS. I’ll lend an ear.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

a reply to: DeathSlayer

No.
The Vatican is not Babylon.
Babylon was a place where nobody was free. Where a mad man ruled with absolute power.
The Catholic Church at this point is a romantic memory, with its liturgy and comfort and in many places nice architecture.
In many respects it's probably more mysterious than the newer sects of Christianity, Luther onwards, with the rituals and the preservation of how religious ritual evolved.

I don't know but I'm under the impression Christianity is a sect of Judaism, so making another sect from the sect of the foundation, what Evangelical basically is, probably won't increase the level of 'truth' in the interpretation of the Bible.
I don't really care what anybody believes but there's an undeniable American pecularity that turns everything into show.
I mean Churches always were used as tools to tell the peeps what to think.
But from that standpoint there are also many who preach war.
Some of them probably also American Catholics. Mostly not though...

Sorry I drifted a little because of the other thread I was just reading before this.
Pagan: yes maybe, because that's how Romans operated, incorporation of local tradition.
Which is the same what Evangelicals do in America: incorporating the fears and needs of their 'life-experience' into Church, a Zeitgeist thing, with the difference being mostly very powerful paranormal confirmation of their special role and place in the world.
The same 'Pagan' as the old Romans.
Just that they entered the new world neutered, without a real organisation or structure that could give them actual power.
So they're also not Babylon.
China might be. But as all superpowers Babylon is probably global, every camera, every scanner, every prison, every 'immigration camp' or refugee camp, every hospital, every school... That's Babylon.

I see that you did not watch the video.

You are simply trolling.

a reply to: Peeple

a reply to: DeathSlayer

No to both.

I commented on what you wrote and your title. I don't waste my time with populist filth telling me to pick a obviously powerless group as scapegoat.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I'm sure the FBI appreciates your efforts!

The FBI Doubles Down on Christians and White Supremacy in 2023

Summary: Church is bad!!!

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Keep that division coming...

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I know many RMC (Roman Catholic) . . .

I'm interested in your thread but I'm having trouble figuring out how you get "RMC" to stand for "Roman Catholic." A search engine is no help!

Hi

RMC - Roman Catholic Church
Maybe RCC is the correct abbreviation.

originally posted by: DevotedResearcher

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
I know many RMC (Roman Catholic) . . .

I'm interested in your thread but I'm having trouble figuring out how you get "RMC" to stand for "Roman Catholic." A search engine is no help!

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Thanks. I'm the type of person who can't keep reading if I don't understand abbreviations.

a reply to: DeathSlayer
Let's not overcomplicate this situation. Any religious org is a form of government: they want control of you and your wealth.

We talk frequently here about how ETs helped humanity to grow toward its potentials in government and cultures. Religions are an aspect of that aid. Some folks need that almost substantial/rigid human-based framework to feel safe. We must see religions for what they are, not what we are told. God is something far more intangible than books, cathedrals, what we want to believe in...and that would also relate to ET overlords. Let's not exchange one old belief system for another.

originally posted by: DeathSlayerIs 77 minutes worth saving you and your loved ones from hell? You will be surprised, possibly shocked at the information provided.

Actually, you are already saved from "hell" - you were always saved from "hell."

How is that?

Look at the word: "hell" is not found in any of the classic languages the Bible was written in or translated into in ancient times - not it Latin, Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. In my life, I was exposed to damnation, annihilation and universalism. I spent over two years in an ordinary KJV Bible to find an answer. As part of that, I consulted an Oxford English Dictionary about the word, "hell." I found forms of it in different languages, such as "hell," "hel," "hella," "halja" and the like. They all came from the languages of old tribes of northern Europe, all pagan when Christianity began to spread. I think the Greek "hades" is related to those other forms.

That covers "hell" the word.

For 'hell" the concept, knowing that it was "translated" from "sheol," "hades,"gehenna" and "tartarus," I did some digging in a slightly different direction. I knew that the 1611 KJV had both "hell" and "hel". A typo? The 1611 is famous for them. But "hel" is a word in its own right. I looked a millennium earlier, at the Anglo-Saxon epic "Beowulf." My bilingual edition contains "hell," "hel" and "helle." Now "Beowulf" is set in Denmark, so I took a leap into Norse mythology. It was not hard at all to find "hel" there, in the form of the goddess/ogress who they believed to rule over her afterlife realm of "Helheim" or "House of Hel." They thought you spent eternity there if you did not rate Valhalla.

So there you have it: "hell" is pagan, both the word and the concept. The RCC picked it up because it kept pews and offering plates full.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

So there you have it: "hell" is pagan, both the word and the concept.

From The Free Dictionary:

pagan

1. An adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity, especially when viewed in contrast to an adherent of a monotheistic religion.

www.thefreedictionary.com...

What I want to know is, why does the word "pagan" have a negative connotation?

Is there anything evil about more than one god?

Did pagans make human sacrifices?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

You are learning.

Why not just call it what it really is, the Roman Empire rebranded? Rome never really fell. They just changed the names and how they are preceived.

Don't get me wrong, this is true of all organized religions, catholicism was made to control the people. Made by man to control man.

It is all about power.

Hello, demonologist. I'm totally responding to your headline and post text, and not the video (yet), so you can discern me. The first thing that came to mind is how the Synagogue of Satan has weaponized their daddy's lies into fiction as tradition and potential mass (HA!) behavior. I also thought of the Old Testament Book of Job, and how that man had nothing but his mortal body and love for God to live with, as opposed to me. I have a hoard of Bibles, books and (tcho-)tchotchkes that some use frequently like fidget toys. Then there's the whole "by whose perspective" thing about definitions; pagan as peasant, heathen as norsemen? Then there's the Greek Orthodoxy, and the Old Testament instructions for rituals and particular things one can make in order to improve order, like tech generally does. You know, If only Christians in general would read the Bible by the Holy Spirit, not their individual interpretation. That's just from your post headline.

Your post text points out the strange in-fighting that keeps happening amongst Christians of all kinds. Sad, but everyone on Earth is supposed to talk to each other about life beyond the mundane. It happens. Anyway, thank you for posting this video, brother's keeper. You actually care.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Don't get me wrong, this is true of all organized religions, catholicism was made to control the people. Made by man to control man.

Does that apply to Buddhism and Hinduism as well?

a reply to: DevotedResearcher

That's an awful lot like saying Christians confess sins. Blanket statements can easily evolve into stereotypes I'm guessing.

Pantheons are considered evil in monotheism usually although even the abrahamic based religions will differ on the issue.

Some pagans sacrificed, some monotheistic religions systematically dismantled paganism within every facet of existence they found.

What I want to know is, why does the word "pagan" have a negative connotation?

History and stigma I'd guess. It all depends where your culture hails from.

a reply to: DevotedResearcher

In common western talk of religion, Buddhism and Hinduism are not even brought up.

I have not studied them as much as what I have traditionally run into. Now that you have brought it up, I will have to fix that problem with my knowledge.

Thank you.

a reply to: DevotedResearcher

Pagen is an easy label for a Christian to use to simply identify them.

Just the old we against they, us against them, etc....

Without a they to be compared to and shown to be the bad guy, more then half the argument for being a we just doesn't exist.

Funny thing is, about 90% of all religious teachings, once you get past the dogmas and made up differences, are the same.

There are good lessons in many religious texts but you have to get past the made up control wording to get to them.

Man ruined organized religion after he discovered he could control others just by what he said that god said.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: DevotedResearcher

Pagen is an easy for a Christian to use to simply identify them.

Just the old we against they, us against them, etc....

Without a they to be compared to and shown to be the bad guy, more then half the argument for being a we just doesn't exist.

I liked that. But for me 'pagan' is also something primeval, that goes back to when we learned to use our mind and everything was still 'magical'.