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1) constat de supernaturalitate (established as supernatural),
2) constat de non supernaturalitate (established as not supernatural); or
3) non constat de supernaturalitate (not established as supernatural).
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Official stages of investigation into Catholic Apparitions
1) constat de supernaturalitate (established as supernatural),
2) constat de non supernaturalitate (established as not supernatural); or
3) non constat de supernaturalitate (not established as supernatural).
- As decided by the local bishop.
It used to be 'worthy of belief', 'not worthy of belief', 'no opinion'.
There is no 'yet to be approved' stage. That's bunk.
Originally posted by colbe
Lourdes was rejected at first by the Church.
Originally posted by AussieAmandaC
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colbe
Another message (excerpt) about the Warning prophesied at Garabandal. Where ever you are personally
faith wise, give your "yes" to God when this happens. Prepare now, get a daily prayer life, even if for
10 minutes a day and most important, ask God the Holy Spirit to help you examine your life, your conscience. Here is an examine your conscience guide:
www.scborromeo.org...
Then, repent from the heart and confess your mortal (serious) sins to God. The times, most people will disagree, 98.9% of sexual sins are mortal. The list of sexual sins is too long to list and I might miss one.
I'll name 3 that aren't considered sin at all in our times! I am sinner not righteous, I committed the first two. Fornication, contraception (God made sex for marriage and procreation, both) and its fruit, the worst, abortion. Sexual sins fall under the 6th Commandment, thou shalt not commit adultery.
You will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing your CONFESSED sins during the NDE like life review in the
Warning.
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English translation found at www.afterthewarning.com...
Messages to Pastor Enoc
www.MensajesDelBuenPastorEnoc.org
MARY’S MYSTICAL ROSE CALL TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD
BE READY AND PREPARED MY LITTLE ONES FOR THE COMING OF THE WARNING!
October 22nd, 2013
...Little children, rejoice for the days of glory are approaching, if you knew what God has in store, what if you but knew? You would be jumping of joy and as of now would wish that everything would came, in order to enjoy those days when joy in the Spirit and the spiritual presence of the Triune God will accompany you to the end of times.
How many wanted to see what you will see, what you will hear will listen and live what you will live in the paradise that God will give you as a reward for your faithfulness. The prophets of old and all the blessed souls, wanted to live the days that you faithful ones are going to live in the New and Heavenly Jerusalem.
Children, after the personal judgment (the Warning) all who are written in the book of life, you will be spiritually marked with the sign of the cross on your forehead and in your soul. So upon the return to this world, you are going to be able to distinguish who are the flock of My Son from those who are the flock of my adversary. Remember that after the Warning you will no longer be the same ones, while in eternity my Father will grant you gifts and talents so that you can endure the day of the Warning. Otherwise you would not be able to cope with the days of purification.
The time of the miracle time will be very short; all the people of God must fulfill a specific mission for heaven. All missions will be directed to the service of God and the rescue of warm souls and repentant sinners that will be stunned and disoriented after the small divine judgment.
THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMPLETE JURISDICTION IN THIS MATTER AND THE HOLY SEE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION ANY FURTHER
there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions ... I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity ...
"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
I need to communicate that: All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.
In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.
At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.
On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.
Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final:
I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.
My regards in Christ,
Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander
Oct. 11, 1996
FlyersFan
Garabandal - False
THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMPLETE JURISDICTION IN THIS MATTER AND THE HOLY SEE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION ANY FURTHER
QUOTE From Jose Vilaplana - Bishop of Santander - Oct. 11, 1996
there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions ... I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity ...
Cardinal Seper, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith wrote in 1970 that: promoters of the Garabandal movement have tried to minimize the decisions and the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander. THIS SACRED CONGREGATION WANTS IT TO BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THE BISHOP OF SANTANDER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMPLETE JURISDICTION IN THIS MATTER AND THE HOLY SEE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXAMINING THIS QUESTION ANY FURTHER, since it holds that the examinations already carried out are sufficient as well as are the official declarations of the Bishop of Santander.
Text from Bishop Jose Vilaplana ... 1996
Catholic Info
"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
I need to communicate that: All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.
In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.
At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.
On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.
Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final:
I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.
My regards in Christ,
Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander
Oct. 11, 1996
VirginMaryISGod
Garabandal, false!? Nonsense; time will only tell. The million dollar question: sooner or later?
there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions ... I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity ...
there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions ... I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity ...
colbe
If you like, search Conchita, miracle of the Eucharist for the photo, it is not faked no matter now much
one particular shouts it (in caps).
Do not post about the much prophesied Warning and reject Garabandal.
colbe
The following PDF is probably the best break down of what happened:
FlyersFan
QUOTE From Jose Vilaplana - Bishop of Santander - Oct. 11, 1996
there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions ... I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity ...
colbe
If you like, search Conchita, miracle of the Eucharist for the photo, it is not faked no matter now much
one particular shouts it (in caps).
Do not post about the much prophesied Warning and reject Garabandal.
colbe
The following PDF is probably the best break down of what happened: