A 7.8 earthquake has hit Central Turkey it's bad

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: Sparkymedic

Not sure how many times it needs to be said before people stop spreading fake news. The actual DEFCON status is classified. It isn't on a freaking website or youtube channel.

Settle down. Pffft...spreading fake news. Simply gave my thoughts on why DEFCON 2 may or may not have been. Either way, from what I recall, US nukes still reside in Turkey at the Incirlik Air Base near Adana. Which is in the earthquake zone.

Certainly DEFCON is classified...until it isn't. Lots going on in our world these days.

But again, I'm not claiming that DEFCON 2 was declared...but there has been news about the "estimate". Someone else here asked about it and I added my 2 cents as to why that might have been, after a massive series of earthquakes in a region embroiled with a decade long war to the south east and a "new" war in the north. Just my thoughts and opinions here. Take it or leave it.

a reply to: putnam6
Sorry to maybe sounding pedantic, at this point I don't give a FF what the Sec-Gen of UN thinks and what the hell does his comment have to do with the unfolding tragedy which is far from over. They are ALL people, period.
Sorry,
Rainbows
Jane
PS now 1,541 in Turkey. It's climbing by the 100 per hour

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ilikesecrets
This could explain why the USA went to Defcon 2 earlier this evening? Weird times.

Does the US have a history of heightening the defense condition because of an earthquake in Turkey

I suspect this might have been done as Incirlik Air Base is pretty much right beside the fault line. It is a major NATO air base for the region and also is home to US tactical nuclear weapons. Would not surprise me if this is the reason for DEFCON 2 as the weapons safety could be compromised. Info I see puts DEFCON 2 around 20 hours ago. Seems to be in time line with quakes.

what info would that be? Are you connected with the military or got links Id like to read about that.

Just quick searches and some info matching here and there over the past 20 hours or so. Main info here

DEFCON levels

It could be true, but other ATS members have mentioned it's unlikely this information would be freely available on the internet, as it's classified.

Not to mention Turkey and NATO were squabbling just days before. Search

"is NATO using Turkey airbases for Ukraine?"

multiple articles

Indeed, found more info on it on ATS. Who knows. Doubt the air base has been significantly affected.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: putnam6
Sorry to maybe sounding pedantic, at this point I don't give a FF what the Sec-Gen of UN thinks and what the hell does his comment have to do with the unfolding tragedy which is far from over. They are ALL people, period.
Sorry,
Rainbows
Jane
PS now 1,541 in Turkey. It's climbing by the 100 per hour

LOL I think he is mostly useless as well Miss Jane, but hopefully, his mentioning Turkey in front of the general assembly will give impetus to full cooperation from all countries in giving assistance quickly and efficiently.

After all next time, it may be them needing assistance.

I know Im kidding myself but we know who will send the most, even TRT says they expect the bulk of the assistance to come from the US

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

originally posted by: Kenzo

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

Yep Ive got the USGS tab up, 55 earthquakes in the last 24 hours in the region, many of them 5.0 and up 17 total

originally posted by: Kenzo

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

Earthquake swarms are known to sometimes last for days.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Kenzo

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

Earthquake swarms are known to sometimes last for days.

yes they do

but the magnitudes seem high for even earthquake swarms, well atleast the areas I watch. I have alerts set for Yellowstone and they have EQ swarms all the time but they are 2-3 sometimes 4s. Be hard-pressed to find an area rocking 17 5.0 plus earthquakes in. 24 hours.

Hell, I don't think even Fukushima shook that much for that long.

cool thing is it's all researchable, I'll check it out when I get a chance, LOL now I curious

a reply to: putnam6


A lot ....do they have idea what tectonic plate is creating this ? Or are all 3 together crashing together , Eurasian , African , Arabian ......

The number and size of the aftershocks had me searching for information from past EQ history to alleviate my fears that these quakes could be 'foreshocks' as some have suggested.

Here's what I found, which adds a little hope that the 'big one' already happened and in the coming days the aftershocks will continue to get smaller.

(I hope this gives you a little bit of comfort/hope to cling to, Angelchemuel.)

Aftershocks


Numerous smaller earthquakes called aftershocks occur after every moderate or large earthquake. In general, the largest of these events is about one magnitude unit smaller than the mainshock, although there are exceptions. For example, the Whittier Narrows earthquake of October 1, 1987 was magnitude 5.9, but a magnitude 5.5 aftershock occurred three days later. There are two other rules of thumb about aftershocks. First, as the events get smaller, they become more numerous. Within ten days after the Loma Prieta mainshock, there were two after-shocks of magnitude 5.0 and larger, 20 of magnitude 4.0 and larger, and 79 of magnitude 3.0 and larger as of October 27, 1989. The second rule of thumb is that as time goes by after the mainshock, the frequency of aftershocks tends to decrease proportional to one divided by time (1/ time). For example, if there are 100 aftershocks the first day, there will be about 50 the second day (1/2), 10 the tenth day (1/10), and so on. The number of aftershocks and their magnitudes after the Loma Prieta earthquake are roughly typical for earthquakes in California. Based on statistical studies of average California aftershock sequences, the USGS estimated that there was a 12 percent chance of an aftershock of magnitude 6 or greater in the two months following October 21, 1989. Significant aftershocks of the Loma Prieta earthquake are listed in Table 3.

[www.johnmartin.com...]

I can't even look at pictures of the devastation, knowing there are people trapped in all that rubble.

a reply to: putnam6

The thing about Fukushima, though, was it was a very deep quake. The quake that struck Turkey was 10km deep which is relatively shallow compared to Fukushima. As a result, we are going to see a much different behavior than Fukushima. The recent quakes we are seeing in Turkey are at the same depth of about 10km. There's a lot of moving going on. Keep an eye on Europe to the North West over the next 7 days.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Kenzo

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

Earthquake swarms are known to sometimes last for days.

yes they do

but the magnitudes seem high for even earthquake swarms, well atleast the areas I watch. I have alerts set for Yellowstone and they have EQ swarms all the time but they are 2-3 sometimes 4s. Be hard-pressed to find an area rocking 17 5.0 plus earthquakes in. 24 hours.

Hell, I don't think even Fukushima shook that much for that long.

cool thing is it's all researchable, I'll check it out when I get a chance, LOL now I curious

I'm not expert but it's no surprise to me that the earthquake activity you see from a supervolcano is different from this.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: putnam6


A lot ....do they have idea what tectonic plate is creating this ? Or are all 3 together crashing together , Eurasian , African , Arabian ......

I don't know mostly a complete novice but I do watch and read stuff on EQ's and follow dutchsinse during times such as these

good a possible explanation from India today...

www.indiatoday.in...

a reply to: putnam6

Thanks, good info and pictures about the plates .

That area is tectonic powder keg

With a 7.8 and a 7.6, I do believe the rule is aftershocks are supposed to be at least 1.0 less than the main, so there could be something more to come yet, is my thinking.

a reply to: AlexanderM

Also, the fact that the tremors are at such a shallow depth makes them even more devastating. I believe the shallowest was around 2km.

a reply to: nugget1
Thank you.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: putnam6

Sorry haven’t read through the whole thread but just watched some videos and have to say I’m really shocked at the constructions of some of the apartments.
The way they absolutely collapsed into nothing is quite shocking.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Kenzo

Still doing it...5.5 just 10-15 minuts ago

This is creepy, when it will settle down ?

I dont remember other earthquake even like this, that keep on going all day ...

Earthquake swarms are known to sometimes last for days.

yes they do

but the magnitudes seem high for even earthquake swarms, well atleast the areas I watch. I have alerts set for Yellowstone and they have EQ swarms all the time but they are 2-3 sometimes 4s. Be hard-pressed to find an area rocking 17 5.0 plus earthquakes in. 24 hours.

Hell, I don't think even Fukushima shook that much for that long.

cool thing is it's all researchable, I'll check it out when I get a chance, LOL now I curious

I'm not expert but it's no surprise to me that the earthquake activity you see from a supervolcano is different from this.

FWIW it would seem the USGS would probably classify the quakes in Turkey as aftershocks instead of earthquake swarms, though even they are semi-vague themselves

www.usgs.gov...





www.usgs.gov...

There is no precise definition of when a mainshock-aftershock sequence becomes a swarm. In reality, the distinction is not sharp. Earthquake sequences follow a whole range of behaviors from "very mainshock-aftershock" to "very unlike mainshock-aftershock." The "swarm" designation is typically applied when we observe relatively many earthquakes within a relatively small area, which just don't fit the pattern of a mainshock-aftershock sequence.

Now for the second, more important question: What, physically, causes seismic sequences to behave as swarms rather than mainshock-aftershock sequences? This question is still a subject of active research, both at Yellowstone and elsewhere, as it gets to the heart of our goal of understanding active processes deep in the subsurface. Based on past research, we understand that swarms probably indicate that an extra "ingredient" is involved where the earthquakes are happening—an ingredient that isn't as prevalent in mainshock aftershock sequences. Sometimes this ingredient might be that a fault is slipping slowly, and small sticky patches are popping off and generating numerous small earthquakes. Sometimes, magma might be pushing up into the crust, opening up a pathway for itself by breaking the rock in front of it. But most often, swarms are probably caused by fluids (dominantly water) interacting with faults.

a reply to: nugget1

Any information on whether, and how, these "rules of thumb" apply to different types of faults, ie.; subduction faults vs. strike-slip faults?

What type of fault gave way in Turkey?