Kecksburg UFO Crash on Unsolved Mysteries

Until now in this thread, I’ve come to two possibilities of what the Kecksburg object could be…

1) A non-linear meteor
2) A Russian unofficial Venera test vehicle

….not giving the Cosmos 96 much thought looking at it’s most common image shown around the web when injecting it into the Kecksburg story….




….but then I found this black and white drawing image below and focused on it…..and I said to myself….is this a true representation of a fully built Cosmos 96 vehicle? and the picture above is just an internal sub-assembly stage portion?

When looking at the “full” vehicle drawing picture…….now I see an Acorn ish shape…assuming most of the external accessories burned off during re-entry…....and the Russian writing banded around a section of the craft…..

So is this black & white drawing image legit……I can’t trace back an original origination of it…using TinEye.



I got the image from….. Space Acorn

If anyone can do better to trace the black & white drawing to its origination….and post it here….that would be great!

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

So from your source Space Acorn the acorn shaped replica looks to have tiles on the upper portion, and that is what they were using back then were heat tiles, correct?

How many people called it an acorn? If it were different independent observers calling it that—then it is proof of the assertion. Also, why would they call it an acorn? If they’re going to hoax that, why an acorn? Why not a flying saucer of some type?

Come on; people start thinking like Columbo. This is nothing but a detective story.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

So from your source Space Acorn the acorn shaped replica looks to have tiles on the upper portion, and that is what they were using back then were heat tiles, correct?

I cannot say one way or the other……wherever the drawing is from may have additional written information…..perhaps answering your question. The drawing could have come from a book or magazine or manual for all I know….

I’m up there in years but not old enough to have known about it 😉

OK Colombo’s….we need the original source of the b&w drawing which is not Space Acorn ….they had to have gotten an image of the drawing from someplace else…….or they have a very good graphic artist and made assumptions when doing an artist rendition IF only they are the origination of the drawing.

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Another document found.

The Kecksburg Chronicles which places the origin of the "acorn" shaped object with a firefighter called "John" whose story is the same as that of "Jim" Romansky.

....I was a teen-ager then," said John (not his real name). "It was in the early part of December and there was a little snow and a little rain, and mud." He was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m. crash as a fireman from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object.

"I had seen a fiery object in the sky. I can't say exactly which direction but it was coming from the north. It was not too much longer and the fire whistle went off," he said. "I answered the call and was told they needed a search team because at the time they believed it was a downed aircraft. And I thought, 'My God, this is what I have just seen'." When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall, maps were reviewed and groups were given sections to search.

"It was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights. We were taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this way' which we did. I was not on the initial contact team. Another team found the object. "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no aircraft, plane, helicopter or rocket, at least not to my knowledge. It was in an area that was part field and part woods and we went down to investigate," he said. "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle, and had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path.

My initial reaction was 'This is no airplane.' I observed no shrapnel, no breaking up of the fuselage. It was one solid piece, no doors, no windows. "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties. It was shaped like an acorn, laying on its side, like the acorn nut is in its shell when it's on a tree," he explained. "I've been a machinist for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous amount of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that looked even close to that." John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just dented a bit....... It was late at night when we finally got back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken over by the military. They were carrying in large pieces of equipment, radios and such, and they had armed guards posted outside so nobody could get in or out. The firemen were thrown out. We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom. "The military had control of the whole operation," John recalled. "After a while we saw a flat bed truck come by with some other military equipment, a crane or something.

"It was not too much longer, an hour, an hour and a half, when the trucks came back and there was a large object on the back of the flat bed, covered by a tarp, with military escorts front and back. I got the feeling that if you had stepped on the road you were dead meat. They weren't stopping for anything." Although the object was later said to be a meteorite, John doesn't buy that explanation. "It had writing on it, not like your average writing, but more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It had sort of a bumper on it, like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide, and it stood out. It was elliptical the whole way around and the writing was on this bumper. It's nothing like I've ever seen, and I'm an avid reader. I read a lot of books on Egypt, the Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across anything that looked like that." John notes that later it was denied that the object was even a meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area. But I know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved. It was like they just came out of the woodwork...

I am not sure I buy this story. Who accompanied him to discover the "acorn"? I'm not sure how anyone could get a crane down into and out of that terrain either within the time frame. Plus all these people and hardware would leave tracks.

a reply to: mirageman

You mean who else was on the truck with John? …..”We were taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this way' which we did.”….

That’s gonna be a tuff nut to crack because even though John thought it looked like a Acorn….there’s no testimony of those that was with him as part of the team to concur John’s assertions it looked like an “Acorn”…the others might have said it look like something different according to their own perceptions. Since John asserts it looked like an Acorn ….that’s then what was coined as the general description from then on.

And as far as a crane………why not just brute manpower?

Is there a guestimate weight of the object? It’s easy to try and guestimate the weight by its outer dimensions….but that would be totally wrong for something you don’t know what it is in the first place….and you don’t know what’s in the inside. And remember ….a lot of it possibly burned off during re-entry and hitting the earth with less weight, making it lighter.

Could the object have been man handled with up to 20 men etc… and lifted, pushed, dragged, using ropes, nets, strapping , pulley’s, winches, ramp boards, etc….and wooden gantries and tripods etc….(there definitively was enough wood available) …without the use of a crane.

Example of hoisting methods using natural wood.


From the Florida Coral Castle fame…..


I’m sure the Army or Air Force ….are overgrown Boy Scouts and would know how to erect such things….it doesn’t take Rocket Scientists…

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The point is that if we had exact info on who called it an acorn, when these statements were made, and to whom; then we could deduce things.

If one guy calls it an acorn and that gets out, then we have an issue with the acorn lore.

Do we know when, where, and who described this thing and in what way?

Knowing that in itself says a lot.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
The point is that if we had exact info on who called it an acorn, when these statements were made, and to whom; then we could deduce things.

If one guy calls it an acorn and that gets out, then we have an issue with the acorn lore.

Do we know when, where, and who described this thing and in what way?

Knowing that in itself says a lot.

From Page 1 of this thread a volunteer fireman, James Romansky, also described it as looking like an acorn still on the tree.

A call went out to all local fire departments with more than 30 volunteer firemen dispatched from the Kecksburg station. Volunteer fireman, James Romansky [pictured], was with a search team that found the crash site:

“Here was this humongous metal object, half buried in the ground. About six, seven, eight foot around, and it was every bit of eight, ten, twelve foot long. And to me the object looked like exactly like a fresh acorn that you’d pick off of a tree.

Whatever that means, which species?

An acorn still on the tree looks different from an acorn on the ground. An acorn on the tree has more bulbous or rounded protrusions on the bottom part.

www.dreamstime.com... gainst-blue-sky-image171116319

So far we have James and John both in agreement on the shape.


Also two brothers were out hunting on that day and were supposedly the first two to see it.

Larry spoke about the reproduction that was made of the object and which was placed on top of the Kecksburg Fire Department, it was very similar to what he saw in the ravine that evening.

www.unknowncountry.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

I think "John" is Jim Romansky.

Note in the post above

I was a teenager then," said John (not his real name). ...

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: quintessentone

I think "John" is Jim Romansky.

Note in the post above

I was a teenager then," said John (not his real name). ...

See my ETA, two brothers were the first to witness it, one Larry said it looks exactly as the replica.

Also it was reported that there were three firemen, including John/James who witnessed it, so where are the other two firemen's statements?

If it quacks like a Duck, and walks like a Duck, then it must be an Acorn?

My point is why the pursuit over who said Acorn first? Whether it was one person who said it and it spread…….or several people who saw the object at different times and simply thought it looked like an Acorn.

Ok ….so now what?

IMO ….it gets no closer to what the object real was.

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If it's any use I think this may be the approximate area where the object was supposed to have crashed in the woods.

Unfortunately, Google Street view vehicles seem to have avoided the area so far.

a reply to: quintessentone

Thanks for the post quintessentone. You really have to dig deep into these things if you really want to get possible evidentiary value out of the lore behind these events.

So we have various people who made statements about what has been described as an acorn-shaped device.

a reply to: mirageman


How funny….they name the nearest main road….Meteor……and not Acorn or Alien Acorn or Der Glocke Acorn….lol

Apparently some town council naming local roads thought it was a Meteor.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Now we have evidentiary value to these facts.

It adds to the confirmation that the witnesses were truthful and the US gov was being, Ill be generous---disingenuous.

Ive always thought that was the case by viewing this evidence.

And it is evidence just as we analyzed the Canadian guy's story who spoke five languages to the ufo and had holes stenciled on his gut.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

It's not the who.

It's when that's important.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: quintessentone

Thanks for the post quintessentone. You really have to dig deep into these things if you really want to get possible evidentiary value out of the lore behind these events.

So we have various people who made statements about what has been described as an acorn-shaped device.

Yes, the John is James the volunteer fireman who is also a machinist. So that's one witness with two names.

I can only assume the other 29 volunteer firemen witnesses agreed on the replica shape and writing because that was the final design that went up. There were 30 volunteer firemen who went up there because of the smoke.

The two brothers out hunting, Larry and his brother, corroborated the shape of the replica on top of the firestation as being accurate.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

It's not the who.

It's when that's important.

For me it’s the what

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What about this theory?

It was theorized by two Westmoreland County researchers to have been a General Electric Mark 2 Re-entry vehicle that was launched by the U.S. as a spy satellite but fell out of orbit. But I can't find any pictures.

worldtruth.tv...

On this video at 9:26 mark the U.S. Corona spy satellites which look similarly acorn shaped, called buckets, a light bronze color, and had writing/printing on it in eight languages offering a reward if returned.



From Page 1: Witness John, volunteer fireman and machinist:

"I've been a machinist for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous amount of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that looked even close to that." John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just dented a bit....... It was late at night when we finally got back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken over by the military. They were carrying in large pieces of equipment, radios and such, and they had armed guards posted outside so nobody could get in or out. The firemen were thrown out. We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom. "The military had control of the whole operation," John recalled. "After a while we saw a flat bed truck come by with some other military equipment, a crane or something.

So Corona spy satellites were secret and classified, this could explain why the military showed up so quickly.

a reply to: quintessentone

GE Mk-2

Pictured, Discussed and rebutted by MM’s postings on page 5 (and others) this thread…

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