Kecksburg UFO Crash on Unsolved Mysteries

originally posted by: wavelength

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

See what I mean? Acorn-ish design.

It’s ish alright….but there’s no accounting for any usable smooth circular band of space for Russian, Egyptian, etc, writing…..given by the second picture after it sheds its outer lower casing…to operate in space….imo

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What if the life support (green balls of oxygen and nitrogen) somehow detached during its passage through the atmosphere, leaving a flatter surface which may have given the illusion of writing when, in reality, what was seen was the patterns where the appendages were attached? Just a wild theory.

What if the pods were to analyze different elements from the moon or Venus? Then maybe the writing/symbols underneath the pods may have been identifying symbols as to what each pod contains (chemicals?) for different analysis?

Another thought, if the pods did contain chemicals for analysis then maybe that explains the pink, gold and green colors witnessed from the chemicals burning off during reentry.(?)

ETA:

Alchemy symbols: the symbol for gold looks like a star.

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The Russian Cyrillic script has letters what seems like backward Latin letters. As witnesses stated, letters were backward.

"И" is actually pronounced "I" and it's got nothing to do with "N". It came from the Greek letter "Η" (called Eta) but the horizontal stroke was turned counter-clockwise resulting in the "И" letter.

"Я" has nothing to do with "R". The "Я" is pronounced much like our "Y". It's actually a letter that evolved from an older Cyrillic letter "ѧ" which eventually lost one of its "legs" and started being drawn in a more rounded way, which ended up in the stylized form "Я".

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a reply to: wavelength



Speculative Assumptions ……that either half entered into its descent through our atmosphere ……..and to your point, the spherical tanks fell off or burned off during re-entry leaving the tanks attachment anchors still attached to the vehicle…….

Pictured in place of the tanks…are tie wrap anchors In black or white and are blown up in size for example purposes…..I have no idea what the VOSTOK actual attachment anchors for the tanks would look like….


I’m not seeing any type of symbology one could call writings given that whatever tank attachment mounts were actually used……they would all be symmetrically even as shown in my example.

Jus thinkin

I’m still with the non-linear meteor 😊

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I still lean towards the meteor explanation too, but the rigmarole you depicted on the far left photo does look vaguely symbolic if you squint.

Here is another photo to pick apart: Vostok Capsule after re-entry...
Photo of Vostok

But anyways, squiggly rigmarole can look suspiciously symbolic, especially after becoming charred and distorted during a reentry.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: mirageman

I'm now thinking it was a Russian prototype capsule controlled by ground control, but if we look at the Vostok mission, ground control was a hit or miss thing when receiving messages from the capsule. It's just a wild acorn theory, but if this was the first test flight of an unmanned capsule to ground control, then them having transmission/communication problems seems likely. Also Vostok looks something like an acorn.

Also the witness in the video said first it was a red fireball with blue lights, then it slightly veered off course, then it crashed, as well as saying the writing on it looked like Egyptian alphabets with backward letters, dashes and stars. Some Russian letters appear to be backward letters.

07:00 Vostok 1 crossed the Strait of Magellan at the tip of South America. News of the Vostok 1 mission was broadcast on Radio Moscow.[40]
07:04 Gagarin sent another spacecraft status message, similar to the one at 06:48. This was not received by ground stations.
07:09 Gagarin sent another spacecraft status message, also not received by ground stations.
07:10 Vostok 1 passed over the South Atlantic, into daylight again. At this point, retrofire is 15 minutes away.
07:13 Gagarin sent a fourth spacecraft status message; Moscow received this partial message: "I read you well. The flight is going...."
07:18 Gagarin sent another spacecraft status message, not received by ground stations.
07:23 Gagarin sent another spacecraft status message, not received by ground stations.

en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:Vostok_spacecraft.jpg

There is a picture of the Russian Venera 4 capsule that looks just like an acorn.

www.britannica.com...

I think the big question here is that we know there was a fireball/meteor on 9th December 1965 that traversed the skies of North America. But was there sometihng else too that crashed into the woods near Kecksburg?


Vostok mission seem to have been ended years before 1965. Venera doesn't fit either, as per your link.

Radio contact was lost with the first probe, Venera 1 (launched Feb. 12, 1961), before it flew by Venus.

Venera 2 (launched Nov. 12, 1965) ceased operation before it flew to within 24,000 km (15,000 miles) of Venus in February 1966.

Venera 3 (launched Nov. 16, 1965) crash-landed on the surface of Venus on March 1, 1966, becoming the first spacecraft to strike another planet.....

Then there's the apparent lack of any signs of an impact at ground level.

a reply to: mirageman

Maybe the USA got a hold of the Die Glocke device after the second world war.

a reply to: mirageman

My theory was that it was a different type of capsule on some sort of mission which failed. Just a theory.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: mirageman

Maybe the USA got a hold of the Die Glocke device after the second world war.

Or a low tech Chinese spy balloon?

a reply to: quintessentone

IIRC the Russians said it wasn't theirs.

But who can you trust?

a reply to: mirageman

Could be i suppose.

So many aspects remain unknown, or even unknowable now.

a reply to: mirageman

This doc is instructive. There will always be different sides to these ufo events.
Each side will have its witnesses and their “science” to prove their side is right.
In this case, unlike Roswell, I believe the witnesses and the science of what Kean spoke of.

Overall, that was a good doc. A lot of info refuting the gov tale. And some of the other side. Jim Oberg was in this; people should know.

My opinion Is that this was some gov or another gov' vehicle or a UFO.

Regarding the gov tale, ask yourself this question. How do you do a thorough search in the dark with three people?
And why not come back the next day and search in daylight?
It’s just too many witnesses to believe the gov’s story of sending three guys into the woods in the dark. And that there was no army or police presence. Not even dealing with the acorn.

And in this case, the US gov is lying. Of course, they even lied in Roswell but for a different reason, IMO.

originally posted by: mirageman
originally posted by: quintessentone
I think the big question here is that we know there was a fireball/meteor on 9th December 1965 that traversed the skies of North America. But was there sometihng else too that crashed into the woods near Kecksburg?

MM are you suggesting there were 2 events that coincidentally happened about the same time / date frame?



What gives you that idea?

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

MM are you suggesting there were 2 events that coincidentally happened about the same time / date frame?

Maybe?

But I haven't anything to prove it.

a reply to: mirageman

Ok….so I’m basically out of ideas…..but I’ll paint one more hypothetical scenario idea.

Source Wiki

The Venera (Russian: Вене́ра, pronounced [vʲɪˈnʲɛrə], which means "Venus" in Russian) program was the name given to a series of space probes developed by the Soviet Union between 1961 and 1984 to gather information about the planet Venus.

After Venera 3 was launched in November of 1965…..up next was Venera 4 said to have launched in 1967.

What if at the pace of their launches because we were in the Space race with the Russians….they had a close to home test launch orbiting earth before Venera 4 was to be officially launched to Venus in 1967? The test launch vehicle would be and look the same like what Venera 4 would look like.

And so then, what if that pre-Venera 4 test flight failed and for whatever reason and re-entered earths atmosphere in a downward trajectory…perhaps even in a non-linear path?

So….below is the Venera 4….1/3 scale


Now imagine while on its decent, all kinds of pieces where burning off the vehicle like the solar array, parabolic antenna, the spherical tanks, larger stages, etc…

Perhaps ending up with something like this below…..think of the different hues this probe could have been taking on while burning through the atmosphere, the different metals etc.……and as you can see ……the Russian symbols/letters are there. Perhaps they were obscured in the heat of re-entry but still visible.




Here’s the Venera 4 probe in full…..the symbols/lettering is visible (red arrow)


Venera 3 and Venera 4 are markedly different……if there was a test vehicle, a pre-Venera 4……and it failed, being a new version of Venera and all…..I could see the Russians working on what failed….the failure analysis….reverse engineering…..and corrective solutions to push Venera 4 out to 1967.

Any symbology/lettering is un-viewable at this angle. Perhaps these versions also had the symbology/lettering. Venera launch date November 16, 1965…..Kecksburg December 9 1965? ……Could it be that it was actually Venera 3 that failed instead and the Russians were to embarrassed to admit it and said it was successful?


It’s a possibility a pre-Venera 4 was tested as a dry run in our own orbit, failed, burned off a lot of pieces and crashed at Kecksburg. It’s not like Russia always gave us a schedule of their launches and any resulting failures…..we were in a Cold War. They didn’t have to tell us Jack Crap….

It could be Acorn ish with again, one eye closed and the other squinting….Beyond that…..I got NUTTIN…

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Ok…..below is the other side of Venera 3……I don’t see any symbology/lettering on it…

So far it seems Venera 4 shown that I posted above…..has the Russian symbology/lettering……and so I suspect as I previously mentioned, a pre-Venera 4 ….test vehicle would have had the same….imo.


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Additional pics of Venera 4…

It appears the Russian symbology/lettering wraps all the way around whatever that particular stage/section of the probe is.


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There's a huge 100+ page PDF file here : www.cufos.org...

There's much to unpack. But here are some selective snippets...

"Unsubstantiated reports of the military having hauled away an aerial object," were, "only rumors", until August, 1987....This long-sought eyewitness, from nearby Latrobe, Pa., had overheard a PASU member speaking about their 21-year--long investigation and revealed himself to have been a 19-year old fireman in 1965 and one of the searchers. He became the first witness to claim to have actually seen the object on the ground who has spoken on the record.

That would be Jim Romansky.

.. Origin of the story that an object had buried itself in the ground"? Frances Kalp described the smoke to a local reporter the night of the incident, "Then I came out to look [after being alerted by her sons] and ' saw some smoke. Then it turned sort of cloudy, and went away, almost like it buried itself in the ground". She was describing the disappearance of the smoke; she never saw the object.

So one of the initial witness in the Kecksburg area only saw smoke.

Civilian space experts James Oberg and Curtis Peebles have suggested that the military may have been interested in recovering Soviet space debris that night. While possible, there seems to be no proof that units with this mission actually were present at Kecksburg.

Merely speculation?

"Missing" UFOlogy - "Missing" history is now evidently a technique in the PASU UFOlogical,tool kit. This reverse logic of "Government UFO Conspiracy" enthusiasts who say that lack of any evidence must be proof of nefarious U.S. Government scheming may well be an important, integral part of their belief system. It may also be an easy way to avoid unwanted disappointing conclusions; may fulfil certain emotional needs, or be just plain fun. But it can never qualify as science or legitimate history.

The above is an observation of Stan Gordon and applies to much of ufology. The truth is out there. But it's not a mundane boring truth that is being sought.

It not always that America is being evil or lying. They may legitimately believe it's about national security and that the people don’t need to know everything.

Likely the US gov won’t tell us what’s in that Chinese balloon, and that’s all right---there the ones who are being paid to determine what’s good for national security.

And the fact is we still don’t know if some humans can take the truth about aliens or if UFOs are real.

Some folks might bug out.

originally posted by: mirageman

I think the big question here is that we know there was a fireball/meteor on 9th December 1965 that traversed the skies of North America.

Not meaning to be pedantic but is that actually the case - we know that there were sightings of something from Canada / North America around the right time that match the description of a meteor, but then something else entering the atmosphere at speed may cause the same sightings.

Seems way too much of a co-incidence for there to be 2 events so the question is whether the descriptions, trajectory, speed etc of the object obeserved meet the known parameters for a meteor. If yes (within witness error tolerances) then all over for me, if not then matches several other "UFO" fireball accounts with changes of direction etc.

a reply to: chunder

Cosmos 96 was falling to Earth on the same day. US Space Command reported that it crashed in Canada hours before the fireball thought to be the Kecksburg object at 4.45pm. But there is, or at least was, a theory that at least part of it fell in Kecksburg.

We are left with various stories ranging from seeing an acorn shaped craft in the woods with strange markings to most of the press stories reporting nothing was found in the woods at all. Maybe some witnesses are fabricating their stories?

Well there was a meteor shower during that time and if witness testimony can pinpoint the object descending from or within the Gemini constellation, then I'll hang my hat up on that. Other witness accounts will still be a mystery to me.

The Geminid meteor shower will be active from 4 December to 17 December, producing its peak rate of meteors around 13 December.

The radiant of the Geminid meteor shower is at around right ascension 07h20m, declination 33°N, as shown by the green circle on the planetarium above.

Shooting stars are seen whenever one of these pieces of debris collides with the Earth's atmosphere, typically burning up at an altitude of around 70 to 100 km.

in-the-sky.org...

Well I found proof that the geminid meteors are multi-colored.

The Geminids are particularly noted for their colours compared to the other meteor showers. 65% White, 26% Yellow and the remaining 9% is Blue, Red and Green. They are one of the three major meteor showers of a year, the others are the Quadrantids and Perseids. Ref: SkyScrapers

The Geminids meteor shower takes place within the boundaries constellation of Gemini. Geminids occurs during December 6-19 with the peak occurring on the 14th Dec. every year. The location of the Geminids radiant point are at coordinates defined by the Right Ascension (113.5) and the Declination (32.3).

www.universeguide.com...#:~:text=The%20Geminids%20meteor%20shower%20takes%20place%20within%20the,the%20Right%20Ascension%20 %28113.5%29%20and%20the%20Declination%20%2832.3%29.