Is there a point in trying to wake people up considering they have access to the internet?

They have access to the internet. They've probably already heard of anything we tell them. They have the tools necessary to research it for themselves if they wanted to. If they're curious about why conspiracy theorists believe what they do, they could look into for themselves. It'll take some digging, but it's doable. How much good are we doing? How effective are we? Pre internet days, it would've made sense to talk to people and tell them your point of view.

a reply to: dragonslayer83

Off course MSM and search engines like Google are corrupt and lie to their core / hide truths.
It's also just a lack of common sense and being too trusting of government and media, and anyone else can only therefore be a lying conspiracy idiot :eyeroll: < why does ATS not have a basic eyeroll ?

originally posted by: dragonslayer83
They have access to the internet. They've probably already heard of anything we tell them. They have the tools necessary to research it for themselves if they wanted to. If they're curious about why conspiracy theorists believe what they do, they could look into for themselves. It'll take some digging, but it's doable. How much good are we doing? How effective are we? Pre internet days, it would've made sense to talk to people and tell them your point of view.

It seems to be a matter of why the conspiracy is communicated in the first place - most likely a feeling of a lack of control and frustration.

Addressing people’s vulnerabilities and frustrated needs could make them think twice about turning to conspiracy theories when a crisis hits.

www.psychologicalscience.org...

a reply to: dragonslayer83
Talk to them? In my experience, they won't listen anyway. They can't get past the wall of propaganda.

My parents were furious I wouldn't get the shots. Tried explaining but my mom cried, told me she was dying and my dad screamed that he had it under a "higher authority" that I was to get those shots. Funny now that I see his higher authority was CNN but heartbreaking for me at the time. I'd spent the whole pandemic gathering as many government, research papers as possible to arm myself with info against this very attack but neither would take a look at it. Just mocked me for finding my info on the internet. Ok then.

Guess they have a right to not know.

They are not curious whatsoever and this includes my mom who gave my brother a book on 911 truth. Brother thinks 911 was an inside job, but yeah trust the government this time.

It is what it is. No one listens to me anyway because they are not ready to be interested. Yes, the information is readily available but the mind has to also be available.

originally posted by: dragonslayer83
They have access to the internet. They've probably already heard of anything we tell them. They have the tools necessary to research it for themselves if they wanted to. If they're curious about why conspiracy theorists believe what they do, they could look into for themselves. It'll take some digging, but it's doable. How much good are we doing? How effective are we? Pre internet days, it would've made sense to talk to people and tell them your point of view.

It's simpler to advertise than to solicit. The mouse hunters will come to you wherever you go, and the mice will hide no matter how much you chase. You should be able to look up and know approximately where each camp is at, and you should feel at liberty to go in either direction without fear of reprisal. Community is about having the opportunity if and when you desire it. Anything else isn't community but agency and agency implies agenda.

Not really.
And they're liable to call police.
Maybe just to report...and keep on file.

Maybe more.

Bradbury was way ahead of his time...he saw it...the digital
conveniences, the choices and fruits thereof. Soft men make hard times.

11 fifteens is a hundred and sixty five...

# 1657

a reply to: dragonslayer83

Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

a reply to: dragonslayer83

Don't even bother. It's a lost cause. You will end up going insane if you think you can get them to believe anything outside of what's dictated for them to believe.

a reply to: dragonslayer83
Good question.

Ever read a big book but there was one little part the really stuck out.
The internet is like that.

Sometimes we need crumbs to help us find that little part.
I have learned so much from this site. Some things weren’t directly conspiracy related, but dotted line.
There is a lot that is hidden, deceptive, or just downright hard to find.

a reply to: quintessentone

It seems to be a matter of why the conspiracy is communicated in the first place - most likely a feeling of a lack of control and frustration.

Read my signature.
There is a very good reason conspiracy theorists don't trust the government, big pharma or tech companies. Things that we were talking about years ago have came out as truth, such as Google tracking/spying on everyone.
Twitter in cahoots with govt and censoring people who didn't toe the party line. I could go on and on, but you get the point.

It's not paranoia if they're actually after you.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

It seems to be a matter of why the conspiracy is communicated in the first place - most likely a feeling of a lack of control and frustration.

Read my signature.
There is a very good reason conspiracy theorists don't trust the government, big pharma or tech companies. Things that we were talking about years ago have came out as truth, such as Google tracking/spying on everyone.
Twitter in cahoots with govt and censoring people who didn't toe the party line. I could go on and on, but you get the point.

It's not paranoia if they're actually after you.

There is no conspiracy there, they all just don't know what they are doing - never really have.

In my experience, people who claim to be "woke," aren't. They just have their own set of delusions that may or may not be close to the truth. The "Internet" as a whole is in the same position. Indeed, the Internet is responsible for more disinformation than any other single medium, including the MSM. It is MUCH more difficult today to get at whatever kernel of truth there is in the world without the Internet giving credence to every crackpot basement-dweller on the planet. There are no requirements for entry. The world has become a very foggy place largely because of the Internet, and places like ATS are the foggiest places that exist.

I still share new information as it comes up and those who agree with me usually do so openly. I know there are some that are like
🙈🙉 and might even agree but 🙊 won't dare say it.
Waking people up is a multifaceted thing. And in my experience, many just don't want to hear "I told you so." Admitting they were wrong in a big way is a bitter pill to swallow .
Cognitive dissonance is obviously the big winner here as well and to be honest, I can't blame some people. Ignorance really is bliss . After the last 3 years, I wish I didn't know things. I wish I wasn't right. I wish my brain worked differently, because it's a curse.
I'd rather sleep through what's coming next. It's too ugly to comprehend.

a reply to: dragonslayer83

I know with some people like my boyfriend he doesn't believe anything unless he sees it happening himself. So I can tell him things or show him things, but for example the vaccine. He didn't believe MSM that it was "safe and effective" but also didn't believe all the "conspiracy theories" either. He waited and then didn't really like how everything was playing out with the mandates and stuff and then all the random excuses like gardening or taking a shower for causing heart attacks and normalizing weird health problems, he doesn't really believe the "died suddenly" calamari clots but he won't get the vaccine and does think something nefarious is happening with it. Just doesn't know what yet. And most of his family is very pro vaccine, up to date with 3 or 4 shots, which he has told me before he doesn't like thinking about what if it is killing people, because his family all took it and he doesn't want them to get sick from it or die.

So I think a lot of it is how the individual person's mind operates, are they cautious? Capable of using critical thinking and putting together the puzzle pieces to see the whole picture? Or overly trusting and believe those they perceive have a position of authority versus what they can see for themselves?

originally posted by: schuyler
In my experience, people who claim to be "woke," aren't. They just have their own set of delusions that may or may not be close to the truth. The "Internet" as a whole is in the same position. Indeed, the Internet is responsible for more disinformation than any other single medium, including the MSM. It is MUCH more difficult today to get at whatever kernel of truth there is in the world without the Internet giving credence to every crackpot basement-dweller on the planet. There are no requirements for entry. The world has become a very foggy place largely because of the Internet, and places like ATS are the foggiest places that exist.

That's a bit way past the glass is 1/2 empty.
Of course there's a ton of bunk on the internet. Everyone saw that coming.

However ATS also has its good points. Used to be "Pics or it didn't happen" now it's cite multiple credible sources or take a hike. Very good training for some of us. Having a point of view is cute. Needing to read multiple science abstracts or professional papers an researching that point of view to explain it is priceless. Believe it some of us took it to heart an now
it bleeds over in a good way in real life.

Sure finding legit stuff using multiple browsers is a PITA but usually doable.
Dropping a stack of paperwork in front of family, the 10yrs it takes to develop a vaccine, the laws changed to railroad in the Covid Crap isn't probably gonna make the Families Holiday dinner a cakewalk but it does shut them up. Reminding them they taught you to be literate so you know they can read too?
At least I got out of dishes this year.

With all the "sudden death" info, announcing they probably just opted out of humanities DNA pool got heated.
Easter Dinner is gonna be interesting.

a reply to: quintessentone
Will you be happy to have digital id and a cashless society?

Because the UK government have put a consultation out on their website that the public has to respond to before March 2023........but they aren't informing the public about it.

People see what they want to see i think.

It's like watching that court case between John Depp and Amber Heard.

I'm seeing Johny Depp has been abused by Amber Heard, but has also probably fought back on occasion, and my sister is seeing Johny Depp has abused Amber Heard, and see's none of the abuse towards Johny Depp, or if there was it's because she's lashing out from being abused.

It's either that or Google / big media pushes one side of the story to one person, and another side of the story to a different person.

a reply to: DaRAGE

That's a interesting point. I wonder how often they push one side of the story to one person, and another side to a different person. Is it strategic and based on gender, race, location, etc, or is it random. This is a pretty effective way to divide people.

a reply to: dragonslayer83

Well it’s all based on algorithms mostly isn’t it? Previous search patterns, patterns you have, patterns your close friends on facebook have, patterns the contacts in your phone have, the search cookies on your devices.

My sister and I are very different. I’m a technology type of guy, who visits a conspiracy website constantly, and searches for lots of alternative news sources, and try to come to my own conclusions about things.

My sister went to uni studying her passion, the environment, and being a tree hugging greeny. She’s environmentally friendly, thoughtful, recycling, green waste, sustainability, pollution bad, no coal seam gas, etc. Currenly she has a job sorting out waste bins, recycling, greening the local area and informing them about what goes into what bin. She’s loving it. But you can’t have a conversation with her about CO2. You can’t talk logically with her about the environment.
It’s like talking to a brick wall. You won’t get through. Your opinion is wrong. You’re science numbers don’t mean squat. Your logic is flawed. She reads peer reviewed studies blah blah blah… its like the matrix. They’re caught in a matrix, and they are so intent on living their lives that they believe they are right, they will fight you every step of the way. They’re committed. Everything they see, they hear, it points to their conclusion that they’ve made about something.

It’s like flat earthers. Like one guy joined a flat earth club. Over time All his life, friends, now resides around it. But he learn’t and understands that the Earth is a globe. But he can’t say that or else he wil lose his life that he has made around him, and his friends, so he still goes on, pushing a flat earth agenda. He’s in too deep, and he know’s it, but thats his life, they’re his crew, family, life.

I mean look what the vaccine has done to society. Vaxxed va non-vaxxed.

tweet 1

During the lockdowns, I stated I'd NEVER play a concert venue that forced fans to show their "papers" for entry concerning Covid. One venue added that rule after I agreed to play, so I cancelled it. The promoter sued me. He LOST the case today! Happy to say I never bent the knee.

tweet 2

I won’t be attending any of your concerts anytime soon. With that attitude, the likely attendees are going to be a concentrated group of anti-vaxxers. It sounds like a great place to catch Covid. To other John Rich fans: if you’re smart, you will stay away too.

I didn’t trust government, and i think very lowly of governments, for a very long time. Absolutely filled with corruption and corrupt people. I knew that Pfizer had some bad court bases and frauds in the past and lots of bad acts. I never trusted them. I knew doctors don’t really do a lot to actually help people. It’s a revolving door. What can i do for you? Here’s your scripts. Actual help to get over things, or anything deeper than a shallow overview of your health, not likely. I stopped trusting the media and newspapers, and stories. It’s all propaganda. But thats me. A conspiracy theoriest nutcase of a brother. My dad finds it all a bit interesting. My mother thinks it’s a terrible thing for me to be and so does my sister. But they will all eat up all the news and media and propaganda. Trust the pharmaceutical industry. Vaccines will save us all. They were the miracle! Lets use different methods to try and pester my son and brother into getting the jabs or he will lose his job. Oh noes.

You better believe i was on my alternative news sources, and they were buying into the bs propaganda in full force on the telly and internet everyday, in every place they looked.

It’s like trying to have a logical argument about this Ukraine vs Russia. They couldn’t even conceptualise the idea that they have no idea what is really going on over there, and who actually started the conflict. They absolutely cannot fathom or admit to themselves that they “could” be wrong. It is inconceivable. It’s like talking to a brick wall. They have received their information, from their sources, and drawn their own inevitable conclusions. Even contemplating that they could be wrong, will be fought over with much anger in their voices, and a steeley determination that they couldn’t be. And you know what. I also would fight back hard, with steeley determination, as I have drawn my own conclusions too. But at least I will argue back. I will do my research. I will point out information here and there. I will debate it with people. But nowadays, if it’s not in the format that they want, if it can’t be argued about and won in 5 to 15 minutes, then it’s all too much, and they just get pissed off. Even then, they don’t have the time. They do NOT WANT to see it. They do NOT WANT to read it. They DO NOT want to view it. They will fight you vehemently, or dismiss you and your “crap” out of hand.

Like i mentioned in regards to the vaccine in the post above.

It wasn’t a vaccine that caused this disparity, this division in society. It’s just society itself doing it, but it was started up above by people in “authority” and this division was pushed, and pushed, and society cracked apart into it’s divisions of us or them. People chose their sides, and some people started attacking others. All the people at the top said it was ok, by doing nothing, and changing things, setting mandates, trying to punish those that didn’t get them, trying to ise coercion to get them.

It’s like, THAT, was just a little tiny push that upper management did and Authoritarianism won the day.

I can’t get a government job, requires two jabs still, at the State government level. Even though the Federal Government level has said we are going to be living with the virus. It’s obvious the vaccines didn’t do squat. You can still catch it and spread it. And the vaccinated ARE the super spreaders, and catch covid more. It is all completely backwards. But you couldn’t even show them peer reviewed studies that say it. They don’t care. Dont want to hear it. Won’t do anything about it. It is COMPLETELY INSANE!!!

And I DaRAGE, I am telling you, that was a little push by government, authoritarian style, and society bent the knee.
Can you imagine the next little push?

Remember, in Nazi Germany all it took was a newspaper being printed saying it was good to attack the Jews. Suddenly their neighbours young children were chasing down and beating them up all of a sudden.

If this war in Ukraine with Russia turns big, into WW3, im just waiting. I reckon western governments will start rounding up the unvaccinated for conscription first, and sending them to the front lines to die fighting against Russia or something like that. Ukraine is currently rounding up all the men it can. It’s actually getting other countries in Europe to send their conscripts back to Ukraine to fight the war. Countries are agreeing to Deporting these refugees back to Ukraine to fight the war, against their own will. Is that not against their Human Rights too? Not like it matters as the qld police didn’t give a damn about my spiritual human rights neither.

Can you imagine a BIG push by government, like in a time of war?

It is unfathomable!

We are going down a very, very, dark road right now.

You know Big tech, and big media helped fuel that division by showing one side of the story and stopping all discussions on the other side.

Society is under their control.

You will NOT be able to wake them up.