What is the infection fatality rate (IFR) of Covid 19 now?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
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And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

The member is trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

I have pointed out correctly that the population IFR for developed countries is much higher than .15% .

And I have pointed several times that the average global IFR is 0.15%. In comparison the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%. That's meaningful comparisons..

We always take global averages and don't try to play politics using the IFR which is still low in most countries.

I see you make desperate attempts to justify the debunked lockdowns. But they have been debunked long time ago.

No we don't always take global averages. That's That's very strange and completely wrong thing to claim.

It makes no sense to include the demographics of Afghanistan in deciding policy in the UK or US.

Again you claiming lockdowns were 'debunked' doesnt make it true or even make any sense.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

Try thinking about that for a moment.

You might want to reallocate the DERP.

Let me know if/when you get it.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

The member is trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

I have pointed out correctly that the population IFR for developed countries is much higher than .15% .

And I have pointed several times that the average global IFR is 0.15%. In comparison the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%. That's meaningful comparisons..

We always take global averages and don't try to play politics using the IFR which is still low in most countries.

I see you make desperate attempts to justify the debunked lockdowns. But they have been debunked long time ago.

No we don't always take global averages. That's That's very strange and completely wrong thing to claim.

It makes no sense to include the demographics of Afghanistan in deciding policy in the UK or US.

Again you claiming lockdowns were 'debunked' doesnt make it true or even make any sense.

You are trying very hard as I see. And you arw trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

Let me repeat this for you. No matter how much you are trying to peddle the official narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

The member is trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

I have pointed out correctly that the population IFR for developed countries is much higher than .15% .

And I have pointed several times that the average global IFR is 0.15%. In comparison the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%. That's meaningful comparisons..

We always take global averages and don't try to play politics using the IFR which is still low in most countries.

I see you make desperate attempts to justify the debunked lockdowns. But they have been debunked long time ago.

No we don't always take global averages. That's That's very strange and completely wrong thing to claim.

It makes no sense to include the demographics of Afghanistan in deciding policy in the UK or US.

Again you claiming lockdowns were 'debunked' doesnt make it true or even make any sense.

You are trying very hard as I see. And you arw trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

Let me repeat this for you. No matter how much you are trying to peddle a debunked narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

Yes it debunked because you say it is.

Well done, most convincing point in ATS history, a special presentation tin foil hat is on its way to you now.

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Let's see how the official narrative is debunked again.

Professor Woolhouse has debunked the lockdowns long time ago.


Britain got it wrong on Covid: long lockdown did more harm than good, says scientist
A new book outlines the mistakes and missteps that made UK pandemic

We did serious harm to our children and young adults who were robbed of their education, jobs and normal existence, as well as suffering damage to their future prospects, while they were left to inherit a record-breaking mountain of public debt,” he argues. “All this to protect the NHS from a disease that is a far, far greater threat to the elderly, frail and infirm than to the young and healthy.

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You stil haven't answered if you have read the book?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

The member is trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

I have pointed out correctly that the population IFR for developed countries is much higher than .15% .

And I have pointed several times that the average global IFR is 0.15%. In comparison the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%. That's meaningful comparisons..

We always take global averages and don't try to play politics using the IFR which is still low in most countries.

I see you make desperate attempts to justify the debunked lockdowns. But they have been debunked long time ago.

No we don't always take global averages. That's That's very strange and completely wrong thing to claim.

It makes no sense to include the demographics of Afghanistan in deciding policy in the UK or US.

Again you claiming lockdowns were 'debunked' doesnt make it true or even make any sense.

You are trying very hard as I see. And you arw trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

Let me repeat this for you. No matter how much you are trying to peddle a debunked narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

Yes it debunked because you say it is.

Well done, most convincing point in ATS history, a special presentation tin foil hat is on its way to you now.

Excuse me?? I meant official narrative..
So let me fix it for the history...
No matter how much you are trying to peddle the official narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

Take a look at Professor Woolhouse who debunked the narrative long time ago. Or Professor Gupta who has debunked the narrative from the beginning of this campaign.

In which epidemiology books you have learnt about lockdowns? What was the name of the class you attended?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

The member is trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

I have pointed out correctly that the population IFR for developed countries is much higher than .15% .

And I have pointed several times that the average global IFR is 0.15%. In comparison the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%. That's meaningful comparisons..

We always take global averages and don't try to play politics using the IFR which is still low in most countries.

I see you make desperate attempts to justify the debunked lockdowns. But they have been debunked long time ago.

No we don't always take global averages. That's That's very strange and completely wrong thing to claim.

It makes no sense to include the demographics of Afghanistan in deciding policy in the UK or US.

Again you claiming lockdowns were 'debunked' doesnt make it true or even make any sense.

You are trying very hard as I see. And you arw trying hard to argue that the IFR of Covid-19 is not as low as it is presented in the scientific literature but as 'high' as it is presented in the MSM i.e engaging in misinformation and official propagandistic narratives.

Let me repeat this for you. No matter how much you are trying to peddle a debunked narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

Yes it debunked because you say it is.

Well done, most convincing point in ATS history, a special presentation tin foil hat is on its way to you now.

Excuse me?? I meant official narrative..
So let me fix it for the history...
No matter how much you are trying to peddle the official narrative, the narrative has been debunked.

Take a look at Professor Woolhouse who debunked the narrative long time ago. Or Professor Gupta who has debunked the narrative from the beginning of this campaign.

In which epidemiology books you have learnt about lockdowns? What was the name of the class you attended?

Have you read Woodhouse book?

Think I have asked this 6 times now.

a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

The topic isn't the Spanish flu.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

The vaccine apologists and denialists of reality and those who defend the pharmaceuticals don't want to address the issues of failed vaccines, low IFR, and excess deaths. I mean the large amount of non Covid excess deaths which ok occasions they try to blame on climate change, heatwaves, the orbital speed of earth, and the Republicans in the US

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

The topic isn't the Spanish flu.

To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

Hence the IFR of Covid-19 is 0.15%

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

The vaccine apologists and denialists of reality and those who defend the pharmaceuticals don't want to address the issues of failed vaccines, low IFR, and excess deaths. I mean the large amount of non Covid excess deaths which ok occasions they try to blame on climate change, heatwaves, the orbital speed of earth, and the Republicans in the US

Really do you think that relabeling flu deaths as covid would show in excess deaths as well?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

The topic isn't the Spanish flu.

To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

Hence the IFR of Covid-19 is 0.15%

The topic still isn't Spanish flu.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

The vaccine apologists and denialists of reality and those who defend the pharmaceuticals don't want to address the issues of failed vaccines, low IFR, and excess deaths. I mean the large amount of non Covid excess deaths which ok occasions they try to blame on climate change, heatwaves, the orbital speed of earth, and the Republicans in the US

Really do you think that relabeling flu deaths as covid would show in excess deaths as well?

Never said that. You have confused the different members here. Or you are making a strawman argument?

Excess deaths

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

The increase in deaths has been seen across the UK. Between 2 April and 12 August in England and Wales, for example, 202,491 deaths were registered, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). This is 19,756 higher than the five-year average for this period – about an 11 per cent increase

So in England and Wales between the 2nd of April and 12th of August 2022 there are 19,756 more deaths than the five year average for the same period. And of course the are no explanations so far for this very large number. Huge number I would say. There are excess non-Covid deaths despite the attempts made by the author to argue that there could be some Covid-19 deaths.

The reality is shocking and in a period of about 133 days there were 148-149 'mysterious' excess deaths per day. And since then many more.

Nobody knows the origin of the the non Covid excess deaths which seem to be way too high.

Do have an answer?

Don't tell me it's the climate change and the orbital speed of earth... Or even the Republicans in the US.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

And IFR in developed countries could be ten times that rate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Which seems far more relevant.

Could have been in the past in some countries. After 3 years of exposure this is very very unlikely. But the IFR on its own which was always low to start with, could have never been the main reason for lockdowns and various restrictions. These 'things' were never justified. They were political measures and not epidemiological measures and that is why they have failed.

1% IFR in the US would be three million plus deaths.

That not justifying measures might be your opinion, many others would disagree.

this cannot be stated as fact yet, but those who think a little, questioned why and how the flu was totally gone while Covid was here, and some of us, think it's possible it didn't really go away, but was lumped into the covid numbers, to make covid look like it was the deadliest thing evar. You are free to believe the official narrative as you most certainly will, but one day, you may have to look back and wonder how you were to easily led down the wrong path.

Excess deaths went up at the same time.

If Flu was repacked into covid the it would also have been the most deadly flu season in a century. Which would beg the question why not say its the flu?

One day you may have to look back and wonder why you believed irational conspiracy theories that so easily led you down the wrong path.

and what if covid was a little bad, but once coupled with flu and other illnesses that used to exist, was all called "covid". I don't need you to believe me, I just like to have the placeholder here so when and if it's as I suspect, I can use it to show you how easily led you are. And I'm a conspiracy nut, behaving like a conspiracy nut. So I don't fear any reckoning from boot lickers. I'm crazy baby.

Doesn't explain the increase in excess deaths.

It's funny however that you think it's conspiracy theorists who aren't easily led.

Wait, coupling COVID with all the nasties we usually get would not explain an increase in excess deaths?

Your DERP is moving too rapidly for your posts. Slow that DERP down.

The vaccine apologists and denialists of reality and those who defend the pharmaceuticals don't want to address the issues of failed vaccines, low IFR, and excess deaths. I mean the large amount of non Covid excess deaths which ok occasions they try to blame on climate change, heatwaves, the orbital speed of earth, and the Republicans in the US

Really do you think that relabeling flu deaths as covid would show in excess deaths as well?

Never said that. You have confused the different members here. Or you are making a strawman argument?

Excess deaths

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

The increase in deaths has been seen across the UK. Between 2 April and 12 August in England and Wales, for example, 202,491 deaths were registered, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). This is 19,756 higher than the five-year average for this period – about an 11 per cent increase

So in England and Wales between the 2nd of April and 12th of August 2022 there are 19,756 more deaths than the five year average for the same period. And of course the are no explanations so far for this very large number. Huge number I would say. There are excess non-Covid deaths despite the attempts made by the author to argue that there could be some Covid-19 deaths.

The reality is shocking and in a period of about 133 days there were 148-149 'mysterious' excess deaths per day. And since then many more.

Nobody knows the origin of the the non Covid excess deaths which seem to be way too high.

Do have an answer?

Don't tell me it's the climate change and the orbital speed of earth... Or even the Republicans in the US.

You replied to to a conversation about that.

As usual the confusion is yours.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

The topic isn't the Spanish flu.

To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

Hence the IFR of Covid-19 is 0.15%

The topic still isn't Spanish flu.

Spanish Flu IFR = 10%
Covid-19 IFR = 0.15%

Covid-19 is a very mild disease for most of us regarding the propaganda and misinformation

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot


To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

The topic isn't the Spanish flu.

To describe how lethal a disease is and make the appropriate comparisons we take global average IFRs. What do you think it means by saying that the Spanish Flu had an IFR of 10%

That was the global average IFR.

Hence the IFR of Covid-19 is 0.15%

The topic still isn't Spanish flu.

Spanish Flu IFR = 10%
Covid-19 IFR = 0.15%

Covid-19 is a very mild disease for most of us regarding the propaganda and misinformation

Topic still isn't the Soanish flu.