Conservative Kicked Out of Florida Restaurant

a reply to: Boadicea

As long as party politics is the issue, then it's all about party and partisan echo chambers.

Leave party politics out of it, and it's all about rights and principles equally applied for/to all, equally protecting all.

you used party politics to prove its as much the other side as yours, doing so was right as its all about party politics and by extension the kind of nationalism political ideologies create which all lie at the core of most western issues.

we see this outside the USA in the direct adoption of US political issues and labelling, the left wing women fighting to defend their rights become far right conservatives even the left wing female politicians become far right conservatives and in such othering it becomes politically acceptable to threaten to kill or rape them..

the path we are on is worse than the red scare as our individual societies remained intact through that and worse than the 30s as at least in the 30s the Marxists and fascists would still argue their respective points, still trying to win the others over..

where we are has the hallmarks of sectarianism that'll turn violent at some point.. what this thread misses is the key, that the owners or patrons missed was an opportunity for the owners to debate the guy out of the door or onto their side instead they chose the path of sectarianism..

I thought that with the cake episode to.. both have the hallmarks of sectarianism too.. the kind of people who went into churches disrupting the services knowing they risked death for being heretics.. each time it happens it moves us closer to the sectarian conflict we can all see brewing..

I'm really not sure anything can do done to stop it now..

a reply to: nickyw

For these purposes, sectarian is no different than partisan, and it's still just another label to excuse or justify conflict. Another way to divide us.

It does not help anything or anyone when wielded as a weapon.

I would just say getem Florida.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ketsuko

Obviously he has a right to be totally pissed about being kicked out of a restaurant because of he’s political views.

But I mean, bringing race into it when it clearly had nothing to do with that is just pathetic.

who do you think you're fooling
with that statement?
lol.
the karen cafe will be boarded up in 3 months.

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a reply to: vNex92

That Restaurant owner just ruined their code of honor when it comes "No forms of intolerance"

It’s always ever been this way. I believe it’s fast becoming more obvious and out in the open. It was never truly about tolerance, it was about forcing their way. Cultural Marxism is about forcing what they want. Yuri Besmenov, the kgb defector told us that in the 80’s.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: dandandat2
After reading a little about the restaurant; I'd take a bet that they went there on purpose to be kicked out.

That is exactly what I am wondering, because it almost seemed intentional unless this conservative guy is just a rude, loud mouth who is looking to make others triggered politically.

Almost like gay couples in colorado who KNOW a certain baker doesnt make cakes for gay weddings, but intentionally repeatedly targeting him in order to cause problems

But that never seems to be a problem for leftists

The same result though, no cake for you - no soup for you.

There is a difference here. The baker never threw the couple out of their establishment. They just refused to put a gay theme to the cake, because it felt like it meant they were forced to go against their faith. So this ties into freedom of religion. The left want to have their cake and eat it too, pun intended. They want to demand their own rights to stuff while denying others that same right.
Congresswoman Waters knew what she was doing when she told democrats to get up in people’s faces. But you see it’s only ok for them, the ones who always know what’s best for the “common good.”

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: dandandat2
After reading a little about the restaurant; I'd take a bet that they went there on purpose to be kicked out.

That is exactly what I am wondering, because it almost seemed intentional unless this conservative guy is just a rude, loud mouth who is looking to make others triggered politically.

Almost like gay couples in colorado who KNOW a certain baker doesnt make cakes for gay weddings, but intentionally repeatedly targeting him in order to cause problems

But that never seems to be a problem for leftists

The same result though, no cake for you - no soup for you.

There is a difference here. The baker never threw the couple out of their establishment. They just refused to put a gay theme to the cake, because it felt like it meant they were forced to go against their faith. So this ties into freedom of religion. The left want to have their cake and eat it too, pun intended. They want to demand their own rights to stuff while denying others that same right.
Congresswoman Waters knew what she was doing when she told democrats to get up in people’s faces. But you see it’s only ok for them, the ones who always know what’s best for the “common good.”

I really wanted to keep out of this echo chamber because...we don't really know what was said by Caldwell and his buddies, nor did the owner kick them out. She waited until they finished their meals then informed them their kind of rhetoric, namely degrading women and talking loud, was not welcome. If it were me, I would have actually kicked them out mid-meal if they were talking loud and degrading women, any restaurant owner would do the same, even a conservative one. Heck I'd ask them to leave just for continuing to talk loud after asking them to pipe down, if it was disturbing other patrons

I'm still waiting to learn exactly how they were degrading women instead of jumping on this echo chamber bang wagon.

Just the fact that other people were uncomfortable should raise red flags.

So the baker and the restaurant owner did the same thing, they denied services in the present and in the future due to their convictions and or not putting up with hatred of women being spewed in a restaurant.

“Your group was being loud, rude, and degrading women,” a third person claimed. “You would have been thrown out of any other decent establishment before you finished your meal, regardless of who you are. Using your influence to ruin these people’s livelihoods shows the type of person you really are.”

The Independent has contacted Caldwell and Paradis Books and Bread.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: dandandat2
After reading a little about the restaurant; I'd take a bet that they went there on purpose to be kicked out.

That is exactly what I am wondering, because it almost seemed intentional unless this conservative guy is just a rude, loud mouth who is looking to make others triggered politically.

Almost like gay couples in colorado who KNOW a certain baker doesnt make cakes for gay weddings, but intentionally repeatedly targeting him in order to cause problems

But that never seems to be a problem for leftists

The same result though, no cake for you - no soup for you.

There is a difference here. The baker never threw the couple out of their establishment. They just refused to put a gay theme to the cake, because it felt like it meant they were forced to go against their faith. So this ties into freedom of religion. The left want to have their cake and eat it too, pun intended. They want to demand their own rights to stuff while denying others that same right.
Congresswoman Waters knew what she was doing when she told democrats to get up in people’s faces. But you see it’s only ok for them, the ones who always know what’s best for the “common good.”

I really wanted to keep out of this echo chamber because...we don't really know what was said by Caldwell and his buddies, nor did the owner kick them out. She waited until they finished their meals then informed them their kind of rhetoric, namely degrading women and talking loud, was not welcome. If it were me, I would have actually kicked them out mid-meal if they were talking loud and degrading women, any restaurant owner would do the same, even a conservative one. Heck I'd ask them to leave just for continuing to talk loud after asking them to pipe down, if it was disturbing other patrons

I'm still waiting to learn exactly how they were degrading women instead of jumping on this echo chamber bang wagon.

Just the fact that other people were uncomfortable should raise red flags.

So the baker and the restaurant owner did the same thing, they denied services in the present and in the future due to their convictions and or not putting up with hatred of women being spewed in a restaurant.

Did you even read the article? I’ll help you out…

“Did I say something that was triggering to you?” She said no, she said, “Our politics don’t align. I’m one of the owners. I’m an owner here. I don’t feel comfortable, you have to leave.”

Nowhere in that article did it state that the conservative black man was “degrading women and talking loud”.
Even the woman did not say that according to the account given. She reportedly told him that their “politics don’t align”. And I would say that is generally the case in our highly charged political environment. Mr Caldwell states that they were discussing crime. But we have seen that a certain ideological group has anti-law enforcement politics and we all know who they are don’t we?
So where did you get your comment about degrading women? MSNBC maybe ? Or Salon or one of the other Soros front groups for Marxist change?
I do not subscribe to radical feminism, so you will never convince me with that argument. Oh and by the way, the author of the iconic book,”The Feminine Mystique” was actually a Stalinist communist. www.ocregister.com...

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Read articles that are objective, in that, they also print the owners side of the story. I'll wait. ETA: Too long, can't wait.

a reply to: sarahvital

The problem with that post is the person who wrote it gives the benefit of the doubt to the owner.

She's a "good progressive", so obviously race had nothing to do with it. In doing so, the poster both completely discounts the reported feelings of the man in question who did experience racial feelings as a black man being confronted in that way by a white person, and does what he would never, ever do for a conservative restaurant owner in a similar position.

a reply to: ketsuko

Since as you said.. "no intolerance is permitted"

Did it cross your mind that the tables conversation was potentially intolerant? This they got kicked out?

You answeres your own question.

originally posted by: ketsuko
"We don't serve your kind around here."

It's a bit like the part in Star Wars where the droids get kicked out, and it has happened before to people like Tucker or Trump Admin officials. Now it has happened to a young Fox News contributor. He met some friends at a small local restaurant in North Miami for breakfast and they were talking. Well, it seems someone else in the restaurant that morning overheard their discussion and decided to kick them out.

Their politics did not align, see. This guy is conservative.

The kicker is that he is also black.

The best part is their online mission statement about practicing harm reduction and welcoming marginalized folks. No forms of intolerance are permitted ... unless you are conservative, and then it doesn't matter what all else from our statement may apply to you because nothing else matters.

So you had a white leftist female restaurant owner kicking out a young black man for being conservative. How about those optics?

We don't serve your kind in here ...

Hey -it's just like the gay people with the cake. Everyone's like, "It's their business, they can choose not to serve whoever they want." Same.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Read articles that are objective, in that, they also print the owners side of the story. I'll wait. ETA: Too long, can't wait.

Whet articles do you find about objective? So you didn’t like the article referenced by the Op, but you still made your own inference. There was nothing in the article that states that Mr Caldwell said anything demeaning toward women, and yet somehow you made the inference that he did. So did you merely apply your own idea to it based on your ideological viewpoint?
I simply read the article provided. It looks like you didn’t, but you are telling me I must go find some article that supposedly states the owners viewpoint. But then why don’t you just cite one yourself, since you seem to know what the owner said. I’d love to see the quote you referenced.
Wait as long as you like or don’t wait. You are Theo be who decided you know what the woman heard.
Again why don’t you post a quote from her, then we will all know.

a reply to: thebtheb

Hey -it's just like the gay people with the cake. Everyone's like, "It's their business, they can choose not to serve whoever they want." Same.

perhaps. In court cases, one has to parse the legal language. The cake baker seemed to have won in a ruling

“I’m hoping that in our community we can grow together,” Miller told the Bakersfield Californian after the ruling. “And we should understand that we shouldn’t push any agenda against anyone else.”

www.usnews.com...
But there really are two sides aren’t there ? Who is really pushing an agenda on whom? A couple goes to court to demand someone make a gay cake for them. In another setting, a cafe owner kicks patrons out after eavesdropping on the conversation.
People here now are arguing that someone should be allowed to kick patrons out over a political conversation at a table, and those same ones believe the cake maker doesn’t have the same right. Surely people can see this right?

a reply to: quintessentone

That restaurant is considered a 'safe space' so in their minds and intentions, yes, that is the 'where' freedom from offense can be had. I'm now wondering if conservative guy's friends took him there on purpose knowing how he behaves in public.

Or maybe they just took him there because they like the place. Are you saying they baited him so that their lefty friends could be mean and kick him out for his opinions? Sounds a bit “Karenish” to me.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: ketsuko

Since as you said.. "no intolerance is permitted"

Did it cross your mind that the tables conversation was potentially intolerant? This they got kicked out?

You answeres your own question.

Did it cross your mind that the restaurant is a safe space or at least says it is for people who look like the man who got booted?

They should be more explicit about who is safe and who is not, I guess.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I like the implicit assumption that because he is conservative and black he must be an @ss in public.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I like the implicit assumption that because he is conservative and black he must be an @ss in public.

Exactly. Black conservatives have been discriminated against severely by the liberal establishment. I saw it at least as far back as when Herman Cain was a Presidential candidate, and he was ripped to shreds along with several others.
We watch the BCP channel whenever we have time.

a reply to: quintessentone

Right. Your replies are also hate speech for me. I suggest you get banned from Ats. You made me feel uncomfortable while I was reading the thread. (/s)