Conservative Kicked Out of Florida Restaurant

a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, she tossed him for what he said.

He *felt* like she tossed him for his race though.

Since we are talking about how people are feeling here. She felt like he was making everyone there unsafe, and he felt like he was targeted for his race.

Was that true? You claim it was racial, and I say he wasn't making anyone unsafe.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Yes, she tossed him for what he said.

He *felt* like she tossed him for his race though.

Since we are talking about how people are feeling here. She felt like he was making everyone there unsafe, and he felt like he was targeted for his race.

Was that true? You claim it was racial, and I say he wasn't making anyone unsafe.

I didn't make any claims of the sort. I repeated what the restaurant owner said, that's it. I want to know what conservative guy said - word for word. Let's not deflect. Anyway, maybe the other patrons will step forward and give their side of the story too and then we can find out exactly what this guy was saying that was taken as an offense by everyone else in that restaurant. Anyway, I have to sign off for now.

Gianno Caldwell

For what it's worth - he has contributed all over, not just FOX. He also contributes to CNN and The Hill.

As far as what he said, word for word? You expect anyone to actually remember that or be honest? And if there is going to be legal action, that's going to be under wraps anyways. No one will be talking under advice of legal counsel.

a reply to: quintessentone

We don't know that they offended everyone at the restaurant.

This is what the owner told him:

One of the owners came over to the table and told us she had been listening to our conversation, we were not welcome there, and I said to her, I said, “Did I say something that was triggering to you?” She said no, she said, “Our politics don’t align. I’m one of the owners. I’m an owner here. I don’t feel comfortable, you have to leave.”

It's all I, I, I, nothing about you are disturbing our patrons or they don't feel safe. It was all about her.

You wanted his words ... there they are. It was all about the owner and nothing about any other patrons. She presented it as her problem with them.

It was only later in the restaurant's official statement that things become more inclusive.

a reply to: ketsuko

There's no excuse for that. Might as well screen a presidential debate and refuse drink service to all supporting the GOP nomination.

But at least we've moved beyond race as a society?

To more important things like an arbitrary political affiliation.

I thought the whole point of this country was to create a frame work where people are encouraged to bicker about differences and endlessly evolve in how they hate each-other. Since the days of democrat-republicans and Federalists.

Needs two parties for that.

They no longer represent the democracy of this country if they seek to eliminate one from having a voice. I don't get the mindset of banishing political views you don't agree with.

One of the main reasons I like it here is because I spend a lot of the time thinking of ways to break up the echo chamber when it gets a bit much. Not agreeing respectfully is fun.

It's a conflict aversion much more prevalent on the left I think.

Someone should do a study on that.

I would seriously go here with 7 or 8 friends, order a ton of food and then have all my buds pull out MAGA hats and put them on.

Why not?

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: ketsuko

I guess its like those bakeries that wont bake LBGTQ wedding cakes for certain couples. You can refuse of course....beliefs n all... but it really is in the best interests of your business to benefit from tolerance.*




*went to wedding, same sex couple...most of the hundred or so were straight...n that cake guy shoulda realized all the potential business he could have had!

This isn't the same as standing up for science or religion. This is nothing more than pure hate.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: ketsuko

Obviously he has a right to be totally pissed about being kicked out of a restaurant because of he’s political views.

But I mean, bringing race into it when it clearly had nothing to do with that is just pathetic.

What's so clear about it? The style of hat he wore could have played into it for all we know

a reply to: ketsuko

We don't serve your kind in here ...

that really does sum up the western world right now and its going to get much worse before it gets better..

So you had a white leftist female restaurant owner kicking out a young black man for being conservative. How about those optics?

the USA is not alone we see that with UK MPs standing in front of signs saying women should be decapitated for being good compliant women.

the optics get worse by the day..

a reply to: SgtSlotter

No, it's not.

A wedding is a sacrament with a very clear and specific meaning to Christians. It is not just "two people who love each other". Rather it is a clearly defined state by God that is later redefined by Christ. It is a symbolic echo of the relationship between Christ and the Church. It has very deep spiritual meaning.

Some groups take this reverence much farther and deeper than others, and it isn't for you to judge. We are, again, talking about a man who also won't touch Halloween for religious reasons.

a reply to: nickyw

Oh, I have no doubt she kicked him for political reasons which is no less hateful, but it's her and people like her who have helped create the world we live in where everyone sees the black and white of it first. They did it by being "tolerant".

a reply to: ketsuko

They did it by being "tolerant".

and drag us all into an incredibly intolerant world as that is where this kind of stuff heads..

we've rushed from words are violence to calls to use violence to stop words.. (especially to stop women meeting and talking unsupervised.. )

a reply to: ketsuko

So you had a white leftist female restaurant owner kicking out a young black man for being conservative. How about those optics?

Um... same old same old?

Restaurant owner stuck in left-wing echo chamber kicks out patron stuck in his own right-wing echo chamber. What's new? It's not like this crap is new. It's not like one party has the monopoly on rejecting customers based on politics.

More important, why does it matter? Why should it matter? (Except for the hits to the ego...)

Political associations are not a protected characteristic under law, nor should it be. Either the business owner has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, or they don't. No politics necessary or required.

a reply to: SgtSlotter

Youre right. I do think a business has a right. Personally, I wouldnt. Human beings are human beings. That is the way I treat everyone.

Peace

originally posted by: quintessentone


Free speech is not free speech when others view it as hate speech.

Hate speech is free speech.

Nice speech needs no protection.

a reply to: DBCowboy

probably best to start by saying all speech is hate speech and ban anyone from talking working buying from, selling to anyone outside their echo chambers..

people should certainly not live in a plural society.

in killing off plurality they kill off the last semblance of democracy..

the west has jumped on a bizarre death spiral..

So the restaurant owners are mixed race since the only white owner works in the book section, I can only assume the female owner that waited for him to finish eating then told him he and his friends are no longer welcome there (banned) was either the black female owner or the female asian owner.

See pic of owners here - www.biscaynetimes.com...

The whole community there is 100% supporting the owners of this business and are advocating for the owners to sue this guy. If the owners are forced to sue this guy because of all slander and backlash, then the community says they will start to collect money to pay for the lawyer.

I suppose some people have to learn the hard way how to behave in polite society and how to tell the truth.

But I still believe one of his friends already knew the mission statement of that restaurant and perhaps Caldwell wasn't aware of it, but they loudly started demeaning women then moved on to Roe. v. Wade. I am still waiting for the witnessess that were there to give their stories.

At any rate, Caldwell has played to his conservative base followers and perhaps made himself look 'valid' to the Fox enterprise.

a reply to: quintessentone

I find your post the most worrying as it reads like full blown sectarianism when entire communities want to fight their opponents.. towns with single permissible religious &/or political views tend to be the most extreme..

originally posted by: matafuchs
I would seriously go here with 7 or 8 friends, order a ton of food and then have all my buds pull out MAGA hats and put them on.

Why not?

Don't dare eat the food. No telling what they would do to it.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: quintessentone

I find your post the most worrying as it reads like full blown sectarianism when entire communities want to fight their opponents.. towns with single permissible religious &/or political views tend to be the most extreme..

If there is to be a fight then it will be in a legal courtroom and the subjects in question will be malice and slander.