New Government Funded Food Pyramid Says Lucky Charms Are Healthier Thank Steak

a reply to: tanstaafl

My point was that all things can be bad, it all depends on the doses, so if there are some good things in plants (there are), we only need to take the right doses and not exaggerate.

One thing is certain, humans were not made to be exclusively plant eaters.

I became perpetually happy and healthy when I did the exact opposite of everything govt recommended. A diet of steak and eggs pretty much guarantees a lean and fit body. The natural food-chain is animals eating plants, humans eating animals and reptilians eating humans.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl

My point was that all things can be bad, it all depends on the doses,

And my point was that when it comes to what constitutes the major constituents of the proper human diet - fatty ruminant meats and other animal foods, water and salt - in normal doses, there are ZERO bad things in them.

so if there are some good things in plants (there are),

While there are some nutrients in plants, the anti-nutrients in the plants make the vast majority of these nutrients inaccessible to humans. Combine this fact with the fact that these plants also contain a crap-ton of naturally occurring carcinogens and pesticides (far more than exist from what humans spray on them) and other toxic compounds like oxalates, lectins, phytates and countless others, it becomes clear that, if you are going to eat them, you should do so in small amounts, and learn how to process them (cook, sprout, ferment, etc) to minimize the toxic compounds - or, just don't eat them at all.

Most people don't even know that fiber - that junk they are told they need for a healthy gut - is atually the root cause of the vast majority if not all gut problems like INS/IND/Leaky Gut/Crohns, etc etc.

we only need to take the right doses and not exaggerate.

Or, only use them for what the vast majority of indigenous peoples used them for - medicinal, not food.

One thing is certain, humans were not made to be exclusively plant eaters.

Or said another way, humans have evolved over the last few million years to be obligate hyper-carnivores, and get the vast majority of their sustenance from fatty meat from large ruminant animals and/or seafood.

ETA just one of thousands of sites that provide massive evidence of everything I just wrote:

www.doctorkiltz.com...

a reply to: Skyfloating

That's the problem, each person reacts in a different way to different things, so while someone can drink milk without any problem, for example, other people can't.

Humans are not supposed to eat only one thing, our bodies do not have the characteristics of pure carnivores or pure vegetarians, we need a mix of the two.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Do you have a better source than a site that looks more like a blog?
I would prefer a science-related site.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: Skyfloating

That's the problem, each person reacts in a different way to different things,

This is true to an extent, but only to an extent...

Each persons current state of epigenetics dictates much of these differences, as does each persons current state of health, (especially the state of each organ/system). Different circumstances of weaker organs/systems cause different symptoms.

so while someone can drink milk without any problem, for example, other people can't.

Yes, some people can tolerate things at different levels, but it is also an established fact that as children age beyond 5 or so years, they lose the ability to digest milk proteins and lactose. This is why there is such a huge problem with dairy in all adult populations. Those peoples who drink a lot of dairy do so only with fermented dairy, which is tolerated to a much higher degree.

Humans are not supposed to eat only one thing, our bodies do not have the characteristics of pure carnivores or pure vegetarians, we need a mix of the two.

This is purely a hypothesis based on speculation, and (no offense intended), ignorance.

While it is true we don't have fangs and claws (probably the favorite claim relied on from people making these comparisons), there are other far more important factors to consider. For example, the acidity of our stomach acid (when healthy) is far lower than even the acidity of lions and hyenas - which is far lower than the acidity of vegetarians/herbivores. Also, if you compare the critical aspects of our anatomy with that of creatures who eat lots of vegetation - for example, the gorilla - things become even clearer. Our digestive systems are the total reverse of gorillas. They have the necessary plumbing to actually break down and digest cellulose - 4ft cecums and very long large intestines to ferment and break down cellulose, and a very short small intestine. Ours is the opposite - a long small intestine (where meat is quickly digested at almost 100% efficiency if you don't eat a bunch of carbs with it), and a short large intestine, totally incapable of breaking down plant cellulose. As for our 'cecum', it is a mere couple of inches long, a vestigial hanger on from our distant past millions of years ago when we broke from our plant eating ancestors. Also, plant/vegetation eaters (like Gorillas) also have flat teeth capable of moving side to side for grinding vegetation, humans do not. Gorillas, like full blown herbivores, spend the vast majority of their time eating (or rather chewing) the vegetation required to sustain their nutritional needs.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl

Do you have a better source than a site that looks more like a blog?
I would prefer a science-related site.

Dr. Kilts is a renowned fertility Doctor who has been a 100% carnivore for 10+ years, and has resolved fertility issues for hundreds if not more of women/couples who had been unable to conceive for many years.

The return of fertility (mostly in women, but also in men) is a very common occurrence with people who go carnivore - often only discovered with the surprise pregnancy.

If you are honestly searching for the truth, the resources are available on his page (as well as Dr, Berry's, Dr. Chaffee's, and many many others), complete with the studies they are relying on that prove the myths of red meat causing cancer (I just watched a video of a guy who cured hi Stage 3 (almost stage 4) colon cancer in just a few months going full carnivore), cholesterol being bad for you, etc etc ad nauseum.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Those peoples who drink a lot of dairy do so only with fermented dairy, which is tolerated to a much higher degree.

I'm almost 60 years old and have I been drinking milk daily all my life, without any problems.

This is purely a hypothesis based on speculation, and (no offense intended), ignorance.

Well, that's what the people that study those things say, so I don't think they are that ignorant.
Also, most people can have a healthy life by eating different types of food, so although based on speculation it's also based on reality.

While it is true we don't have fangs and claws (probably the favorite claim relied on from people making these comparisons), there are other far more important factors to consider. For example, the acidity of our stomach acid (when healthy) is far lower than even the acidity of lions and hyenas - which is far lower than the acidity of vegetarians/herbivores.

Lack of fangs is not the biggest difference between humans and carnivores teeth, the biggest difference is in the pre-molars and molars.

One question: what kind of food can you eat raw?

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Dr. Kilts is a renowned fertility Doctor who has been a 100% carnivore for 10+ years, and has resolved fertility issues for hundreds if not more of women/couples who had been unable to conceive for many years.

I would more inclined to accept his ideas if he was a renowned nutricionist.

If you are honestly searching for the truth, the resources are available on his page (as well as Dr, Berry's, Dr. Chaffee's, and many many others), complete with the studies they are relying on that prove the myths of red meat causing cancer (I just watched a video of a guy who cured hi Stage 3 (almost stage 4) colon cancer in just a few months going full carnivore), cholesterol being bad for you, etc etc ad nauseum.

I like truth, but I'm not that interested in this topic to spend more time searching for more facts (yes, I'm lazy).
PS: I don't remember anyone saying that red meat causes cancer.

a reply to: ArMaP

I can tell you from experience / trial and error, that I have massively improved my health on a Keto like, low carb diet free of sugar, grains, and most importantly the deadly additives like Maltodextrin, MSG, and refined oils.

Soybean and other vegetable oils are killers. The only decent oils are MCT and "real" olive oil.

Think you are eating healthy with a salad? I hope you are not using store bought salad dressing because it is full of oil. Even some chickens are pumped full of carrageenan. Same with about any gravy, soup, etc.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

If you don't want to be poisoned with crap that will kill you, stay away from processed foods and read the labels.


My chronic heartburn is gone, my irregular heartbeat / heart palpations are gone, my cholesterol and triglycerides which have been sky high for 20 years are now normal. I lost 30 pounds that I didn't even know where a problem.

All from eating a diet of meat (without carrageenan), Eggs, clean dairy (most cottage cheese is full of carrageenan and other fillers), Salads with non oil dressings, and occasional whole raw or frozen blueberries, mangos, and other fruits.

Not quite carnivore but it works. More of a Keto / Adkins "like" low carb diet. Only carbs are really from fresh fruits and vegetables in low doses.

It works, I feel better than I have in 10 or 15 years.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl

I'm almost 60 years old and have I been drinking milk daily all my life, without any problems.

I was talking more about entire cultures (more isolated than not), that did so 'as a cultural thing'.

That said, I did say that many people can tolerate dairy fairly well, but many of those also surprisingly find that when they eliminate it during a testing phase (ie, doing full lion diet carnivore as an elimination diet), they find mysterious issues they had always had disappearing, often fairly quickly, and they also find that adding the dairy back in brings those issues right back.

But, each of us are finding our own path, and if dairy works for you, then have at it! It is still animal based food, but the reality is, by age 5 or so, the vast majority have lost (or have dramatically diminished) capacity to properly digest lactose and casein.

Well, that's what the people that study those things say, so I don't think they are that ignorant.

A large and growing number of people who have been digging deep into the so-called research that shows a lot of FALSE things are saying that much of what we are told is the polar opposite of the truth - very much the same as in the political realm.

Think about it. They want to control every aspect of our lives. Do you not realize that that also includes controlling the narrative around our food, and what constitutes the proper human diet?

Also, most people can have a healthy life by eating different types of food, so although based on speculation it's also based on reality.

Absence of overt symptoms is not proof of vital health.

The reality is, people who have the appearance of health, drop dead of heart attacks, and get stage 4 cancer of the XYZ diagnoses all the time.

Lack of fangs is not the biggest difference between humans and carnivores teeth, the biggest difference is in the pre-molars and molars.

By all means elaborate.

If you are intending to suggest that we have 'flat teeth like other herbivores, that is completely wrong. Herbivores can grind their teeth side to side, we can not, because our teeth are not flat. If that isn't what you meant, then again, please elaborate.

One question: what kind of food can you eat raw?

Meat. Fat. Meat and fat. Eggs. Butter. The same kinds of things we can eat cooked.

Why do you ask? Are you suggesting that because dogs and lions eat their meat raw, we have to?

Surprise! We've been cooking our food for at least 780,000 years, if not millions.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl
I would more inclined to accept his ideas if he was a renowned nutricionist.

Why? Are you unaware that a piece of paper does not make one smart?

I like truth, but I'm not that interested in this topic to spend more time searching for more facts (yes, I'm lazy).
PS: I don't remember anyone saying that red meat causes cancer.

If you honestly haven't ever heard that myth propagated by the MSM and every day clueless Doctors and - gasp! - certified nutritionists!!! - then you haven't been paying attention.

originally posted by: infolurker
I can tell you from experience / trial and error, that I have massively improved my health on a Keto like, low carb diet free of sugar, grains, and most importantly the deadly additives like Maltodextrin, MSG, and refined oils.

None of those additives appear on my usual food list.

The only decent oils are MCT and "real" olive oil.

That's the only one we use.

Think you are eating healthy with a salad? I hope you are not using store bought salad dressing because it is full of oil. Even some chickens are pumped full of carrageenan. Same with about any gravy, soup, etc.

No carrageenan on my food either.

If you don't want to be poisoned with crap that will kill you, stay away from processed foods and read the labels.

I do both.

It works, I feel better than I have in 10 or 15 years.

I felt much better after losing weight, and to lose that weight I only rearranged to the same food I used to eat in a better way during the day, eating less each time and eating more frequently.

PS: I mostly eat chicken, fish, rice and broccoli, so I suppose someone will tell me I am getting lots of poison in my food, either from the meat, the fish or the vegetables.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
But, each of us are finding our own path, and if dairy works for you, then have at it! It is still animal based food, but the reality is, by age 5 or so, the vast majority have lost (or have dramatically diminished) capacity to properly digest lactose and casein.

True.

Think about it. They want to control every aspect of our lives. Do you not realize that that also includes controlling the narrative around our food, and what constitutes the proper human diet?

Who are "they", the doctors?

Absence of overt symptoms is not proof of vital health.

Also true, and that can also be said about those that feel healthy after changing their diet to something else.

If you are intending to suggest that we have 'flat teeth like other herbivores, that is completely wrong. Herbivores can grind their teeth side to side, we can not, because our teeth are not flat. If that isn't what you meant, then again, please elaborate.

I'm not, what I meant is that our pre-molars and molars are more to grind than to cut, as carnivore molars are thinner and longer, looking more like small blades.

Meat. Fat. Meat and fat. Eggs. Butter. The same kinds of things we can eat cooked.

What kind of meat, if you don't mind.

Why do you ask? Are you suggesting that because dogs and lions eat their meat raw, we have to?

No.

Surprise! We've been cooking our food for at least 780,000 years, if not millions.

Did our teeth changed much during that time?

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Why? Are you unaware that a piece of paper does not make one smart?

I know that knowledge does not come from a piece of paper, but I would trust more what someone that did study nutrition than someone that did not when talking about nutrition.

If you honestly haven't ever heard that myth propagated by the MSM and every day clueless Doctors and - gasp! - certified nutritionists!!! - then you haven't been paying attention.

I do pay attention to what surrounds me, but, as I said, I don't remember anyone saying that, and don't forget that what consider MSM may be something I never look at, as I live in another country.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply ro: tanstaafl
Who are "they", the doctors?

Most Doctors are just trying to survive, keep their heads down, make a living. Some are doing much more, putting their careers and reputations, even their lives on the line (like Drs Peter McCullough, Dr. Malone, Dr. Pierre Kory, etc).

But the politician 'Doctors', like those in charge of the FDA, the NIH, the WHO, etc - yes, those 'Doctors' are absolutely doing their masters' bidding trying to dictate and control our access to the truth when it comes to proper human nutrition and vital health.

Then there are the insane ones, like Fauci.

But you still have to go higher. Those psychopathic globalist elite that want to reduce the worlds population to a manageable number, with them at the top, and the rest of us doing their dirty work. Don't ask me who those people really are, I could speculate about the WEF/WHO/UN to the USG, CIA, etc etc ad nauseum, but I know enough to know they are just puppets. Who are the Puppet Masters? I don't know.

Also true, and that can also be said about those that feel healthy after changing their diet to something else.

In some cases, maybe, like those who changed their diet but didn't have any perceptible symptoms... but in the case of someone who had been dealing with debilitating illnesses for decades, who achieved vital health and 100% total symptom relief in a matter of weeks or months and maintained that for a year, 5 years, 10 years, when their Doctors said they would be dead in 3 months, or a year? No, that would make ZERO logical sense.

what I meant is that our pre-molars and molars are more to grind than to cut, as carnivore molars are thinner and longer, looking more like small blades.

Maybe, but we do just fine cutting and chewing meat with what we have.

Evolution doesn't waste time making a change that isn't needed. When our pre-cursors started eating more meat and fat millions of years ago, much of our systems did change - our digestive systems, primarily. But things that didn't need to change, didn't.

What kind of meat, if you don't mind.

I prefer beef, and have been eating a lot of a custom 50/50 grind. I found a local cattle rancher that grinds this for me, I buy it in bulk, 50-100 lbs in 1lb packs for $5.99/lb. I cook a 1lb pack, then scramble up 4 or 5 eggs in the leftover hamburger grease, it is delicious.

Most people do best on ruminant meat - fatty red meat like beef, bison, lamb, elk, moose, etc, but some seem to do better on fatty fish (salmon, etc). Many can not tolerate pork (even pastured) very well, but many can. I love bacon, and thankfully, it doesn't seem to bother me, although I plan on doing a 90 day lion diet (fatty beef salt and water only) then slowly introduce other things to see how my body responds.

Did our teeth changed much during that time?

I actually don't know, but what difference does it make? Your questions about teeth are puzzling... we obviously have no trouble eating meat, so... where exactly are you going with this question?

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl
I know that knowledge does not come from a piece of paper, but I would trust more what someone that did study nutrition than someone that did not when talking about nutrition.

Understandable, but these Doctors that I listen to now did just that. They have spent many years studying nutrition, and doing so from the standpoint of one who actually knows how to read studies, knows the difference between a properly designed study, and an observational/epidemiological junk 'studies'. They have access to and can dig deep into the underlying data, and know how to read it.

They have been studying anthropology, paleo-anthropology and biology to learn about our origins and evolutionary history, whcih completely backs up the fact that we are obligate hyper-carnivores.

Dr. Chaffee learned a lot about Botany - specifically when he was taking cancer biology, which is where he learned about plant toxicity, and what inspired his 'Plants Are Trying to Kill You' presentation.

I do pay attention to what surrounds me, but, as I said, I don't remember anyone saying that, and don't forget that what consider MSM may be something I never look at, as I live in another country.

Fair enough, but the red meat causes cancer myth is HUGE, and certainly not limited to the USA, so I'm honestly surprised you've never heard it.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
But the politician 'Doctors', like those in charge of the FDA, the NIH, the WHO, etc - yes, those 'Doctors' are absolutely doing their masters' bidding trying to dictate and control our access to the truth when it comes to proper human nutrition and vital health.

I don't listen to what those people say.

I prefer beef, and have been eating a lot of a custom 50/50 grind.

Sorry, I don't understand what a "custom 50/50 grind means".

I actually don't know, but what difference does it make? Your questions about teeth are puzzling... we obviously have no trouble eating meat, so... where exactly are you going with this question?

My question about teeth is because I don't think our teeth are fit to cut raw meat, like, for example, eating a raw steak.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Fair enough, but the red meat causes cancer myth is HUGE, and certainly not limited to the USA, so I'm honestly surprised you've never heard it.

The only thing I have seen about meat causing cancer was about processed meat, specially smoked meats, but that didn't stop me from eating them.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: tanstaafl
I don't listen to what those people say.

Good, and you're ahead of most (apparently, even many on ATS who still do, unbelievably even after the last few years).

Sorry, I don't understand what a "custom 50/50 grind means".

No worries...

Ground beef in the store generally comes in 90/10, 85/15, and 80/20 versions.

This is the ratio of lean protein to fat. 90/10 is 90 lean meat to 10% fat.

50/50 blend is extremely fatty, 50% lean protein and 50% fat.

As an example, eating only 50/50 ground beef equates to getting 80% of your calories from fat vs protein, which is at the top end of the recommendations (by most carnivore veterans and Doctors) for 'calories from fat to protein' scale .

My question about teeth is because I don't think our teeth are fit to cut raw meat, like, for example, eating a raw steak.

Have you ever tried it? Lots of people eat a raw carnivore diet. In fact, of those who have tried it, they mostly agree that raw liver is much tastier than cooked liver.

But it doesn't matter, because we've been cooking our meats for a loooooong time, for sure at least 780,000 years as proven by recent newly uncovered evidence demolishing the prior ass-u-me-d figure of 150,000 or so years (which, logic dictates, it is just a matter of time until we uncover new evidence that demolishes this more recent/current figure), but almost certainly for much longer even than that.

Remember - evolution doesn't waste time or resources developing new or changing traits if there is no need to do so. Since we had brains, and didn't need to be able to take down animals with teeth and claws (we used our brains and tools like spears, bows/arrows, traps, etc), there was no evolutionary need to attempt such changes.