Tory MP Andrew Bridgen suspended for comparing Covid vaccine to Holocaust

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I've already pointed out the relevant law. They're still bound by Parliamentary ethics on Twitter/social media for bringing into disrepute - hence why the Standards Comitee; alongside him threatening the Comissioner last November after he was found guilty of breaking lobbying law.

The anti-semitic remarks are the riduclous claims comparing the Covid vaccine rollout to the Holocaust; they bare no resemblance to reality and completely make a mockery of the Holocaust - MPs from across the House and Hlocaust charities have rightfully condemned him being such a moron.

Plenty of MPs raised objections to lockdown and cncerns over vaccines but they never went full retard and compared it t the Holocaust or called them crimes against humanity - this guy did which crosses the line

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I've already pointed out the relevant law. They're still bound by Parliamentary ethics on Twitter/social media for bringing into disrepute - hence why the Standards Comitee; alongside him threatening the Comissioner last November after he was found guilty of breaking lobbying law.

The anti-semitic remarks are the riduclous claims comparing the Covid vaccine rollout to the Holocaust; they bare no resemblance to reality and completely make a mockery of the Holocaust - MPs from across the House and Hlocaust charities have rightfully condemned him being such a moron.

Plenty of MPs raised objections to lockdown and cncerns over vaccines but they never went full retard and compared it t the Holocaust or called them crimes against humanity - this guy did which crosses the line

No this is again a strawman argument and a false accusation. Andrew Bridgen is not accused of making anti-semitic comments and he I'd not accused of anti-semitism. This is your own false interpretation of matters.

I have asked you to point out which part of his speech in the Parliament was not sensible or reasonable and which comments crossed the line but there was nothing in there. And as a result you cannot give me an answer.

Here is the speech by Andrew Bridgen

youtu.be...

It's after 5:50 and as part of the video posted by Dr Campbell.

A comment on twitter isn't a valid reason for the permanent suspension of one of the elected members oh the UK Parliament. There is no anti-semitism involved. And he isn't accused of anti-semitism.

Are you really accusing him of anti-semitism?!?!

I wonder if you were to go to a court of law would you be able to prove based on a comment on twitter that he is anti-semitic.

a reply to: bastion

Ironically enough, the person he was quoting in the tweet happens to be a Jew and has defended him saying there is "nothing anti-semitic at all about his tweet".

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: bastion

Ironically enough, the person he was quoting in the tweet happens to be a Jew and has defended him saying there is "nothing anti-semitic at all about his tweet".

But there is nothing in his speech that is even remotely anti-semitic.

This is from the opening page

Andrew Bridgen had the whip withdrawn after claiming on Twitter that a cardiologist had told him that the vaccine campaign was the “biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust”.

People who accuse him of being anti-semitic either can't read and understand English or deliberately accuse him knowing well what it has been said.

The only other things he hasn't been accused yet is that he is also transphobic and a climate change denier.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The only other things he hasn't been accused yet is that he is also transphobic and a climate change denier.

give them time its all running on fear now..

quite interesting to see just how fragile the dogma is..

a reply to: Flatcoat

More display of not knowing what words actually mean

Seems to happen to liberals whatever part of the world they're from

Its hard to blame them....their handlers chamge definitions so much on them I'm sure they wouldn't know a snuff can from a hole in the ground

a reply to: Asmodeus3

for these comments to be come from balanced Bridgen appears to be a thrown hand grenade we just don't know the reason it was thrown, but I'm sure we will in time..

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Aside from the tantrum. this appears to be aimed at the cons more than anyone else, it looks like the party civil war is far from over.. but only a fool would think it was..

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Before Christmas, Bridgen called for an end to the vaccination programme before claiming in a debate, without evidence, that a senior member of the British Heart Foundation was covering up harm caused by the vaccine. The BHF denied the claims.

...Bridgen had no evidence because the whistleblower didn't give him evidence ... here is the evidence...

However, multiple experts raised criticisms of the abstract with the American Heart Association itself publishing an “expression of concern” to warn that the passage may not be reliable and that a “suitable correction” was needed.

Maria Caulfield, mental health and women's minister, rejected Bridgen's remarks during the debate.

"I have worked in clinical research, and I can say categorically that the data is not hidden from the public or the MHRA; it is inspected rigorously and can be reinspected at any time," she said.

Responding to the comments, a spokesperson for the BHF told Yahoo News UK:" We do not recognise these claims and strongly refute all allegations made about colleagues in senior leadership roles within the British Heart Foundation (BHF).

"As a trusted provider of heart health information, we are committed to being completely independent, and take great care to be accurate and transparent with all public health information.

“We would encourage those making these serious allegations to share specific, credible information with us which supports them.

"The BHF’s advice on vaccines is based on rigorous scrutiny of the latest evidence, which to date shows that the benefits of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine greatly outweigh the risk of extremely rare side effects for the vast majority of people.”

news.yahoo.com...

Again, risk vs. benefit. Unfortunately we don't have the statistics on number of deaths due to inflammation around the heart and other serious adverse conditions that the actual virus may cause, because the vaccines have saved all those people from experiencing those types of serious illness that would have landed them in an ICU, or who knows where if healthcare resources were pushed beyond it's limits.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I've already pointed out the relevant law. They're still bound by Parliamentary ethics on Twitter/social media for bringing into disrepute - hence why the Standards Comitee; alongside him threatening the Comissioner last November after he was found guilty of breaking lobbying law.

The anti-semitic remarks are the riduclous claims comparing the Covid vaccine rollout to the Holocaust; they bare no resemblance to reality and completely make a mockery of the Holocaust - MPs from across the House and Hlocaust charities have rightfully condemned him being such a moron.

Plenty of MPs raised objections to lockdown and cncerns over vaccines but they never went full retard and compared it t the Holocaust or called them crimes against humanity - this guy did which crosses the line

No this is again a strawman argument and a false accusation. Andrew Bridgen is not accused of making anti-semitic comments and he I'd not accused of anti-semitism. This is your own false interpretation of matters.

I have asked you to point out which part of his speech in the Parliament was not sensible or reasonable and which comments crossed the line but there was nothing in there. And as a result you cannot give me an answer.

Here is the speech by Andrew Bridgen

youtu.be...

It's after 5:50 and as part of the video posted by Dr Campbell.

A comment on twitter isn't a valid reason for the permanent suspension of one of the elected members oh the UK Parliament. There is no anti-semitism involved. And he isn't accused of anti-semitism.

Are you really accusing him of anti-semitism?!?!

I wonder if you were to go to a court of law would you be able to prove based on a comment on twitter that he is anti-semitic.

Read up on Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 and Social Media Guidance 2017 - when using the title MP, yuo have to abide by those rules.

I'm not accusing him of anti-semtism but the Prime Minister and Chief Whip are, hence the suspension. Holocaust charities are also claiming such - despite your claims no one is doinng so.

See this Hansard record of him making the false claims about BHF he's yet to provide any evidence for - Hansard

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Before Christmas, Bridgen called for an end to the vaccination programme before claiming in a debate, without evidence, that a senior member of the British Heart Foundation was covering up harm caused by the vaccine. The BHF denied the claims.

...Bridgen had no evidence because the whistleblower didn't give him evidence ... here is the evidence...

However, multiple experts raised criticisms of the abstract with the American Heart Association itself publishing an “expression of concern” to warn that the passage may not be reliable and that a “suitable correction” was needed.

Maria Caulfield, mental health and women's minister, rejected Bridgen's remarks during the debate.

"I have worked in clinical research, and I can say categorically that the data is not hidden from the public or the MHRA; it is inspected rigorously and can be reinspected at any time," she said.

Responding to the comments, a spokesperson for the BHF told Yahoo News UK:" We do not recognise these claims and strongly refute all allegations made about colleagues in senior leadership roles within the British Heart Foundation (BHF).

"As a trusted provider of heart health information, we are committed to being completely independent, and take great care to be accurate and transparent with all public health information.

“We would encourage those making these serious allegations to share specific, credible information with us which supports them.

"The BHF’s advice on vaccines is based on rigorous scrutiny of the latest evidence, which to date shows that the benefits of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine greatly outweigh the risk of extremely rare side effects for the vast majority of people.”

news.yahoo.com...

Again, risk vs. benefit. Unfortunately we don't have the statistics on number of deaths due to inflammation around the heart and other serious adverse conditions that the actual virus may cause, because the vaccines have saved all those people from experiencing those types of serious illness that would have landed them in an ICU, or who knows where if healthcare resources were pushed beyond it's limits.

Your post is irrelevant as Andrew Bridgen is a member of the UK Parliament and as such an elected member he has the right of asking legitimate questions in relation to the Covid response, the campaign and the vaccines.

The argument that he doesn't have any evidence is just another strawman argument of yours.

You are still coming into these threads after your arguments have been refuted repeatedly.

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

So if you stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality that wouldn't harm your credibility further.

As for your last paragraph you don't know what you are talking about and you need proof for what you post. If you have had a look around and I doubt you did, as you don't read anything, you would have done across the latest peer reviewed papers published on myocarditis post vaccination. The virus plays no role according to the new study covered in this thread. And in principle the association between the mRNA 'vaccines' and myocarditis as well as all other heart conditions has already been established.

'Free spike protein plays a major role in the development of myocarditis post vaccination'

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I've already pointed out the relevant law. They're still bound by Parliamentary ethics on Twitter/social media for bringing into disrepute - hence why the Standards Comitee; alongside him threatening the Comissioner last November after he was found guilty of breaking lobbying law.

The anti-semitic remarks are the riduclous claims comparing the Covid vaccine rollout to the Holocaust; they bare no resemblance to reality and completely make a mockery of the Holocaust - MPs from across the House and Hlocaust charities have rightfully condemned him being such a moron.

Plenty of MPs raised objections to lockdown and cncerns over vaccines but they never went full retard and compared it t the Holocaust or called them crimes against humanity - this guy did which crosses the line

No this is again a strawman argument and a false accusation. Andrew Bridgen is not accused of making anti-semitic comments and he I'd not accused of anti-semitism. This is your own false interpretation of matters.

I have asked you to point out which part of his speech in the Parliament was not sensible or reasonable and which comments crossed the line but there was nothing in there. And as a result you cannot give me an answer.

Here is the speech by Andrew Bridgen

youtu.be...

It's after 5:50 and as part of the video posted by Dr Campbell.

A comment on twitter isn't a valid reason for the permanent suspension of one of the elected members oh the UK Parliament. There is no anti-semitism involved. And he isn't accused of anti-semitism.

Are you really accusing him of anti-semitism?!?!

I wonder if you were to go to a court of law would you be able to prove based on a comment on twitter that he is anti-semitic.

Read up on Parliamentary Standards Act 2009 and Social Media Guidance 2017 - when using the title MP, yuo have to abide by those rules.

I'm not accusing him of anti-semtism but the Prime Minister and Chief Whip are, hence the suspension. Holocaust charities are also claiming such - despite your claims no one is doinng so.

See this Hansard record of him making the false claims about BHF he's yet to provide any evidence for - Hansard

You have already stated above he made anti-semitic comments. As far as I know he is not accused of anti-semitism. Holocaust charities? Even if there is an accusation then this is dumb and unsubstantiated. There is no evidence for it.

Andrew Bridgen is persecuted for other reasons which are well known to the audience here and pretty much everywhere else.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Read the comments from the Prime Minister and Chief Whip then who accuse him of anti-semitism.

It's Bridgen making the false, unsubtantiated comments not myself or the Holocaust charities.

The claim he's persecuted is baseless, look up records of MP votes on things like lockdowns or submissions to select comitees and during Parliamentary debates - none of them have been reprimanded as they didn't make libellous, unsubstanciated claims.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

Let me remind you the latest from what you have said and I repeat:

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. There is no point coming for more and more.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Read the comments from the Prime Minister and Chief Whip then who accuse him of anti-semitism.

It's Bridgen making the false, unsubtantiated comments not myself or the Holocaust charities.

The claim he's persecuted is baseless, look up records of MP votes on things like lockdowns or submissions to select comitees and during Parliamentary debates - none of them have been reprimanded as they didn't make libellous, unsubstanciated claims.

Of course he is persecuted and we all know why.
He has made no anti-semitic comments. If has made then point to me where are these comments? If you can't find them it means that everyone else who could be assisting him are really making false accusations.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

Let me remind you the latest from what you have said and I repeat:

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. There is no point coming for more and more.

The point of me coming is to refute your fear-mongering and give the facts, twisting the facts won't deter me and others here.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

Let me remind you the latest from what you have said and I repeat:

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. There is no point coming for more and more.

The point of me coming is to refute your fear-mongering and give the facts, twisting the facts won't deter me and others here.

Instead they have been refuted several times with your unsubstantiated claims and arguments. And you have been engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

These arguments of yours are self defeating. You have lost pretty much every debate and you are engaging in some form of weird vaccine propaganda.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

Let me remind you the latest from what you have said and I repeat:

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. There is no point coming for more and more.

The point of me coming is to refute your fear-mongering and give the facts, twisting the facts won't deter me and others here.

Instead they have been refuted several times with your unsubstantiated claims and arguments. And you have been engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

These arguments of yours are self defeating. You have lost pretty much every debate and you are engaging in some form of weird vaccine propaganda.

You use the same tactic with everyone that proves you wrong, but there are none so blind that will not see.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The lack of credibility is on you, not me.

Let me remind you the latest from what you have said and I repeat:

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. There is no point coming for more and more.

The point of me coming is to refute your fear-mongering and give the facts, twisting the facts won't deter me and others here.

Instead they have been refuted several times with your unsubstantiated claims and arguments. And you have been engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

These arguments of yours are self defeating. You have lost pretty much every debate and you are engaging in some form of weird vaccine propaganda.

You use the same tactic with everyone that proves you wrong, but there are none so blind that will not see.

All you have done is to expose your arguments further and make claims that are known to be false and hence easily refuted.

Let me repeat them again as they are good for understanding given these threads are usually drifted with nonsensical posts and denialism.

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A few days ago you were claiming that herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination which is debunked long time ago.

Lately you have also made claims about the AZ and J&J vaccines which have been withdrawn from most countries that have used it. This is another debunked argument of yours.

You have arguing that AZ are still saving lives when in reality most countries have stopped the roll out due to health and safety issues.

These arguments of yours are self defeating. You have lost pretty much every debate and you are engaging in some form of weird vaccine propaganda.

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It's very unlikely that any of us here will be proven wrong by vaccine apologists and defenders of the pharmaceuticals.