Judgement in Alien Context

Everybody is totally fine with and actually hoping for Judgement. And I guess it's somewhat fine if you expect your judge to be perfect and all encompassing, all knowing, etc.
But shift it a bit and it's a fragmemt of disinformation spread in between our history of search for that Judge, put there to guide us in a certain direction.
1. Food, comes to mind, everybody would want to get raptured, the cattle walks into the oven basically
2. An imperfect judge, not all knowing but following alien guidelines to weed out the unwanted
3. A self-fullfilling prophecy so the human issue fixes itself
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I mean it turn into horror pretty fast.
Which makes you wonder why believers are so quick to equate the Alien Lore with their Messianic Myth, doesn't it?
Seems like we should hope we can keep Judgement and aliens as far apart from eachother as possible.

Not any particular point to this thread, just wondering what your thoughts are.

a reply to: Peeple

Seems like we should hope we can keep Judgement and aliens as far apart from eachother as possible.

What if they come from the same source? There are some who believe it was aliens who created mankind by tweeking Neanderthal DNA and invented religion as a means of control.

a reply to: Peeple

Once me, and some buddies were chatting, and one of the brothers got up and spoke.

What if God comes and says, Hey humans, I’m not that omnificent God you think I was?

I can do things wonderous, sure, but it takes time and effort and your involvement, but not magically like you’ve been led to believe.

Maybe, the alien experience is trying to tell us this.

a reply to: nugget1

I doubt that. At least in total, started religion out as explanation for luck, good and bad, fate, life after death etc.
I doubt these more intense moments in life which have a certain 'psychedelic' quality which makes you feel connected to something bigger, are not part of a truth apart from 'alien'.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

We don't know what our definition of God will be in the end, that's true.

I think it's more likely we're learning things are more complicated, parallel story lines.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: nugget1

I doubt that. At least in total, started religion out as explanation for luck, good and bad, fate, life after death etc.
I doubt these more intense moments in life which have a certain 'psychedelic' quality which makes you feel connected to something bigger, are not part of a truth apart from 'alien'.

Ok; sorry. I thought when you referred to 'believers' you meant organized religion followers.

For me, the difference between religion and being spirituality is the same as the difference between night and day, though they do occasionally overlap.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Peeple

Seems like we should hope we can keep Judgement and aliens as far apart from eachother as possible.

What if they come from the same source? There are some who believe it was aliens who created mankind by tweeking Neanderthal DNA and invented religion as a means of control.

I never did think highly of that theory. They evolve us to better control us? Why not just leave us alone and control what we were?

Religion is a man-made construct. They evolved us, sure, but it was (and is) an imperfect science. There will always be bugs in the system, and controlling people through a fairy tale is a big bug.

As for judgements, I'm of the belief that we judge (critique) ourselves as we live, with our final judgement in the final seconds of our lives. This determines our state of mind when we die and, therefor, helps determine where our energy source (soul) goes when it leaves our body.

There is no God. Only our creators and our conscience.

a reply to: nugget1

I did. And I meant religion even if 'abducted' at certain points along the way from humans or aliens, for whatever reasons, still contains something bigger than that: hope
That the universe is not just chaos. That the struggle to be good has a higher meaning.
That there's justice at the bigger picture, a higher power with intelligence so much smarter than we.
Or anybody we encounter.
Like I said: hope

Religious ceremony can be spiritual. Singing together can be spiritual.
The problem religion has to me is that people try really hard to see it unfold... whatever they think it means, opinions vary a lot.
That's just like ufology though.
Because spirituality to me is the search, religion is if you want to believe you've found the end.

a reply to: Peeple

Always keep in mind that God or Allah and other Gods didn't write the bible or Quran or interpret same from translations.

Evil is embedded in everything including religion as good / evil on earth is 50 /50 split with Satan. That's
how it was structured. Why? Who knows


So why was this ever written? Did he also create the aliens?

Genesis 1:27

The Sixth Day …26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”… Berean Standard Bible · Download

I will still double down on God. I also believe that Allah and God and others are all the same.

a reply to: Waterglass

If God is the sum of the universe...
...there's still a lot of room inbetween. All 11 directions probably.

What have we learned through religion and now science?

Religion is or was a blueprint for the extremes or polarities.

It also informed us about our nature.

Science has taught us about evolution---or that things take time and are evolved through intelligence and nature.

So, God, in that sense, is the Evolutionary Intelligence behind the development.

The alien ufo experience may be informing us that God or the controller inside the phenomenal world must be cloaked to a great degree until a certain time or when certain developments occur.

So, if I were religious, I’d be watchful.

God ultimately is everything and perfection (evolving or resurrecting)

So, if you see God in an entity, everything around you has to disappear unless it’s perfect, or you won’t see God.

This topic could go different ways…..

I think naivety, gullibility, and fears will dictate whether to think of Aliens as benevolent or malevolent.

If they said they were our creator God or Gods, would you believe them?

Lets suppose you do….so you go through years of subjugation and worship to the Alien’s.

Then one day a different race of Aliens come and say that they are your true creator God or Gods…..

Now what? Who do you believe?

And then another race of Aliens come……etc. etc. etc.

What exactly is the litmus test for the return of the True creator God or Gods? Or Jesus for that matter?

Would “miracles” of an advanced race of extraterrestrials be the litmus test?

Would we put Alien races in competition with each other to see who could do the best “miracles” …… and then say to the winner…..yes …you are our True God or Gods.

We are human beings that use a small percentage of our brains…..does it not stand to reason, within our limited brain, that all advanced Alien races may claim to be our creator God or Gods?

There is no litmus test to prove our creator God or Gods.

Judgment is subjective…..what if an Alien race considers good earthlings are bad, and bad earthlings are good?

I think a true litmus test…..is Love without Evil. Is there an Alien race that has never known Evil … only Love as we were taught to know Love? …..try living long enough to see that.

If Aliens come ….error on the side of caution, and keep your weps locked and loaded…just in case 😉

Imo…..

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"You've become a virus
That's killing off its host
We've been watching you with all of our eyes
And what you seem to value most

So much potential
Or so we used to say
Your greed, self-importance and your arrogance
You piss it all away

We heard her cry
We've come to intervene
You will change your ways and you will make amends
Or we will wipe this place clean"

a reply to: Peeple

3. A self-fullfilling prophecy so the human issue fixes itself

I think the Human race fixing itself has always been on the cards , our history points the direction of travel.

It could be the arrival of Aliens , good or bad , is the only thing that will save us , if bad they will unite us in a common cause and if good they could save us from ourselves , tall order but anything is possible.

Perhaps all civilisations get to a point where self destruction is inevitable , if so chances are they won't be coming , good or bad , and we'll just be another species lost in the memory of the Universe.

a reply to: Lysergic

Your time is ticking….ticking away

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Reminds me a bit of Childhood's End on SyFy where our supposedly benevolent "alien" helper looks an awful lot like our classical depiction of satan.





If we are going to eschew typical religious convictions, I can see some of the strong points in the Annunaki theory somewhat, though I also see the potential for various other scenarios playing off the original idea that aliens tweaked our DNA, and made us more malleable into a worker/laborer/slave type entities.



Still doubt it is as cut and dry as it sounds, in the real world does anything actually go that smoothly?

So much so my current pet theory is it did not go smoothly, if you watched the Annunaki video there was a point where the said to us humans and I paraphrase "You can procreate, just don't procreate like rabbits. Pretty sure after a short while all we heard is we can procreate, and proceeded to go forth and multiply.

After a while, the Annuaki's either mined the earth for all it needed and left us to our own devices, or we became too difficult to control and they booked off the planet, perhaps even annihilating most of the population before they left.

Of course, there are all kinds of other theories too.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Waterglass

If God is the sum of the universe...
...there's still a lot of room inbetween. All 11 directions probably.

I think there's something different between the God that was waiting for Abraham in front of his tent and the God of Jesus.

I don't know what that difference is, but I pray to the heavenly father. I've seen the "magic" side of things too

a reply to: putnam6

Yes….and we know how that ended……

Spoiler Alert!


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originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Peeple

Seems like we should hope we can keep Judgement and aliens as far apart from eachother as possible.

What if they come from the same source? There are some who believe it was aliens who created mankind by tweeking Neanderthal DNA and invented religion as a means of control.

I personally believe Aliens with sufficient tech far more palatable an explanation, not to mention more logical, than God as taken at face value in The Holy Book. I'd say religion and worship of tech so advanced it appears as magic would likely be natural and entirely human.

Why? There's many reasons, perhaps Humanity once reached a point where we nearly destroyed someone's little Science Experiment but we succeeded only in destroying themselves, so the Experimenter (Sadistic old bugger that it is) sent messengers down to teach us The Knowledge.

Amyway, I'd say if Aliens have the ability to travel here from other planets (ergo more advanced than our current, publically known spacefaring tech) they can probably observe is and remain undetected and know to stay the hell away...

... people be crazy!!!

If I were to put myself in the place of the judge.

I wouldn't judge any being in this Universe based off of their actions in the first life they live. It's not fair.

We are brought into a pre-existing Universe through actions beyond our control. The circumstances that shape us, are not something we choose, so the choices we make thereafter are shaped by so many factors outside the influence of the individual conscious observer that to cast a judgement based on anyone's decisions, actions, or circumstances, is a false judgement.

Even people who do things by their own decisions that are considered morally bad, how much control does that individual have over the waves of chemical interaction affecting their brain to allow those decisions to be made? Self control to each individual is relative.

For example, it's difficult to judge someone on sexual interactions who was circumcised as an infant. It permanently changed their sexual activity beyond their control for the rest of their life, let alone any scaling or snowballing that may have occurred to their brain from the outcomes of those effects.

I would just abstain judgement for any being on it's first life in this Universe. Let them be born again with the circumstances of their choosing and control, or just be born again into the same life for a second run at doing what's right, while knowing how things went the first time.
I think a judgement of a second run, or a second chance, would be more appropriate than any judgement for a first run through.