Yoohoo...

a reply to: The GUT

My final conclusion: Of course they actually are a remarkable people no matter what one thinks of them.

Absolutely agree. To only highlight and focus on a certain aspect of some people in that community would be disingenuous at the least, and full of hatred at the worst. They are an amazing and impressive people.


I enjoy meeting another earnest seeker of truth, I know of another one which I respect very much on this forum.

Intellectually, on my own & rudderless, I'd probably lean towards something along Jungian lines.

Even a non-believer such as myself can recognize an intelligence and a plan laid out thousands of years in the making, and the skill of interweaving said plan into folklore, legend and mythology, religion and culture in such a complex and skilled manner as to almost defy any sense of logic as it unfolds exactly as intended.

As if this is not the first time they've been doing it.

I'm leaning towards an intelligence that is not human, ancient, secretive and connected to only a handful of elites that know the true nature of our reality and acts as loyal servants to this intelligence.


It's obvious to me we are a slave species, in every sense of the word.

And that's not even touching the subject of different layers of reality.

a reply to: 19Bones79

It's obvious to me we are a slave species, in every sense of the word.

the effort put into the control grid might suggest we are a power to be reckon with, and not at all meant to be slaves...

a reply to: Terpene

I'm not sure what we're meant to be, but I have my doubts on whether there's a warm, fuzzy feeling waiting for us beyond the veil simply because we choose to believe it's there.

Let's say religion was a pacifier to keep the masses in check, how would the world look any different from what it is now?


If an interventionist God exists, how would the world look any different from what it is now?


If a deity exists but doesn't intervene, why do all the myths, folklore and legends state otherwise?

a reply to: litterbaux

I'm not into flat earth theory I might have some crazy ideas I speculate about but that is not one of them.

Although now I'm curious as to whether there has been a famous debate about it in recent times it would be fun to watch.

I started noticing a lot of odd things as I have gotten older. This is where I will inject some simplicity into the mix.

Think of your life in terms of a logic tree. It has one directional path, but many branches that take you from the beginning to the end. In almost every single fork, you find a very binary decision. By following that logic tree you can see the very binary nature of your life. Left, right, yes, no, up, down, and it is those yes or no answers that seem to propel us further and further down our path.

I find more and more that interacting with the world around me is often no different than interacting with characters in a video game where they have their programmed responses and I myself have a drop down menu of things I can say that are acceptable to them. More and more it seems that the world is just a construct that seems to have absolutely no purpose other than to keep people who think out of the universe. Then again, if I am one of the AI in this simulation, how would I best alter my own life path in this sim?

Something to ponder.

I started noticing a lot of odd things as I have gotten older. This is where I will inject some simplicity into the mix.

Think of your life in terms of a logic tree. It has one directional path, but many branches that take you from the beginning to the end. In almost every single fork, you find a very binary decision. By following that logic tree you can see the very binary nature of your life. Left, right, yes, no, up, down, and it is those yes or no answers that seem to propel us further and further down our path.

I find more and more that interacting with the world around me is often no different than interacting with characters in a video game where they have their programmed responses and I myself have a drop down menu of things I can say that are acceptable to them. More and more it seems that the world is just a construct that seems to have absolutely no purpose other than to keep people who think out of the universe. Then again, if I am one of the AI in this simulation, how would I best alter my own life path in this sim?

Something to ponder.

Yeah look dude, if I was to include myself in that Statement I would have. I don’t know how you get my pointing it out as making it some fairly obvious fact.

Is it because I call myself a goy? It’s what I am to a Jew, am I not using the term properly?

There are accusations all through history of this kind of behaviour from the Jewish people.

You think holding racist sentiments and expressing them openly is ballsy? You poor feller.

Anywho, I believe that anyone who sets themselves apart from the rest of humanity and believe they are chosen by anything to fulfill preordained events are barking up a delusional tree.

Care to share which reports make a reckoning ugly but not a finale?

a reply to: The GUT

I see you have ... cum to your own conclusions.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: 19Bones79
Surnames. Oy!

I get it, I didn't really mean to just leave the impression I totally didn't but it's a whole 'nuther discussion and again one I've bumped heads with.

My final conclusion: Of course they actually are a remarkable people no matter what one thinks of them. And similar to your thoughts on self-fulfilling prophecy, I've wondered if the psychological confidence of believing you are God's chosen people creates a more optimized (if you will) race? It's either something like that or they are chosen for at least one purpose.

So the cream of the crop as it were rises to the top even in the criminal element and what are those that control the world but the largest and most powerful criminal organization ever.

I guess I'm saying I don't think it's totally exclusive at the top, though it might be.

Back to self-fulfilling prophecy, that real possibility has kept me literally pondering for hours. I've become convinced a prophecy self-fulfilled doesn't necessarily negate the prophetic part. But that's not the only reason I was personally able to move past the possibility. It's also just so dang weird, preternatural even, that one philosophy that's not universal would somehow self-fulfill a philosophy most don't adhere to.

You also, I'm pretty sure, refer to the part about people becoming lovers of self, increase of knowledge, etc. Freaky. Deaky. Dead-on. Again, to be fair, someone really in tune with human psychology might make a pretty good guess about that...if there weren't so many other examples of eery accuracy. Intellectually, on my own & rudderless, I'd probably lean towards something along Jungian lines.

One-world government, currency, generational "empire" control (that finally suggested to me preternatural organization in itself) natural disaster/disease, societal breakdown, the perpetual conflict in the ME et al, etc...I've semi-joked before that it was conspiracy theory that led me to God.

When I added it all up, I found it could be heartily debated but I couldn't outright dismiss it. Really enjoying this conversation, I can only imagine how cool and wide-ranging it would be if we didn't have to try and type it all.

I stand corrected. Your a howling at the tree of delusion lol.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Reality bends to the will of the people, not the other way around.

There are also some systems to cull the weak, like banking, and medicine,

as well as a system that eventually kills everybody: sex addiction.

These are examples of systems that harvest people's energy.

In regards to reality bending to the will of the people, this forum is a good example.

There are lots of different wills to bend to, so public discourse must be controlled, to influence the collective will of the people.

In a forum like this, there are a few certain narratives which are promoted to form part of a collective will, which influences people, who then demand a reality.

It seems to me very ironic, to talk about waking up in an illusion, because the very purpose of this forum is to create an illusion of reality!

a reply to: InachMarbank

In a forum like this, there are a few certain narratives which are promoted to form part of a collective will, which influences people, who then demand a reality.

The content on ATS is user generated. Some people are more active on here then others, it's true.

Do you suppose another narrative?

Then add it. A lot of people complain about politics mainlining on this site which has forever changed the atmosphere around here.

Instead of moaning, why don't they contribute more to the topics they prefer instead of just pointing fingers and accomplishing absolutely nothing except to venture into the Mudpit and so play their part in upholding the status quo which they don't want?


Another point to consider is that a form of collective narrative could indicate that people are looking up at the sky and finding it is blue.

If you see something different or simply disagree, this online forum welcomes that discussion and is moderated in my opinion to encourage such debate.

What's the problem?

It seems to me very ironic, to talk about waking up in an illusion, because the very purpose of this forum is to create an illusion of reality!

Oh crap. I've gone off script thanks for pointing that out.

a reply to: 19Bones79

These are all very hypothetical questions, with so many variables it's futile.
anyways the world is as it is, and we got here by walking the walk.
there seems to be a theme runing trough our ancient past, indeed. Considering the documented reactions of native tribes when they encountered advanced civilization, makes me think we've had such encounters before.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I'm seeking the truth, sometimes by engaging in discourse, to test my thoughts and feelings. I'm not trying to compete with manipulative narratives for reality.

The truth doesn't care if it gets 0 stars or a million. It is what it is.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Your words imply that ATS is manipulated.


Do you have any opinions to share so we can test your hypothesis?

a reply to: 19Bones79

I appreciate that ATS gives misfits like me a place to vent. I only want to attack the popular ideas on this site, not the site.

Let's go with the position you are pushing: that the actual me is not the body I can see, touch, feel, think, and operate, existing on this Earth, that I am actually a consciousness existing on another plane.

That is a fallacy. The evidence it is a fallacy are my dreams.

My dreams clearly come from something that has hijacked my consciousness. My dreams are not the kind of thoughts I would think of, nor the ideas I would imagine.

It appears there is something on another plane that is plugged into me. But to suggest that that something is me, is a manipulative idea.

a reply to: InachMarbank

I appreciate that ATS gives misfits like me a place to vent. I only want to attack the popular ideas on this site, not the site.

I doubt anybody except yourself called you a misfit, and how would one begin to be one in such a diverse crowd? Is that the chosen image you desire to project? If you haven't noticed we all have quirks.

Attack away. I'm exploring possibilities and see where they lead as much as the next person.

And out of curiosity, where was your consciousness when it was allegedly highkacked?

And where does this something that is plugged into you in another plane join up with your body? In that plane or this plane?

a reply to: 19Bones79

I can only project what I see, hear, think, and feel.

The point I am trying to attack is the idea that you have another chance at life after you die. It's a toxic idea.

I believe my soul to be a machine, or AI, or some kind of demonic entity. Certainly not my consciousness.

My consciousness can only be expressed by my thoughts, feelings, and actions. I can't be in more than 1 place at a time. And I have never left Earth

Of course it's possible to broadcast my actions all over the universe. I'm doing that by commenting on this website.

Electricity can be more than 1 place at the same time. Just look how far the electricity harnessed from Niagara falls can reach, as 1 example.

Perhaps something like viruses, bacteria, and/or other bugs are used to hijack my body, and broadcast what I see, hear, and feel into another plane; they can eat my crap; and if I let them, they can steal the energy from my heart.

if anyones here I have a treat for ya to consider a theory about. For some reason I cant post threads the page doesnt work but if people are still here ill post it.

a reply to: fruitcactus93

Sure

originally posted by: 19Bones79

Even a non-believer such as myself can recognize an intelligence and a plan laid out thousands of years in the making, and the skill of interweaving said plan into folklore, legend and mythology, religion and culture in such a complex and skilled manner as to almost defy any sense of logic as it unfolds exactly as intended.

As if this is not the first time they've been doing it.

I'm leaning towards an intelligence that is not human, ancient, secretive and connected to only a handful of elites that know the true nature of our reality and acts as loyal servants to this intelligence.


It's obvious to me we are a slave species, in every sense of the word.

And that's not even touching the subject of different layers of reality.

Bones, you're pretty much describing the exact narrative as laid out in the Bible. I think our own questions, quest, and research have led us to many of the same conclusions over all.

One example: Once logic it's very self brings us to the conclusion that, hell yes, there appears to be an organized and millennia long plot to control/enslave humanity at large, it begs the bigger question. If one has "thought" themselves this far then I imagine most of us hit the same roadblock. We know man. We know bureaucracy. We know there's no way some "secret society" composed of humans, by themselves, could achieve the magnitude of what's been accomplished. Of course the societies and elites have their part but as puppets as you pointed out.

So we either have to jettison our pretty damn solid theory of this multi-generational worldwide criminal matrix or we have to acknowledge that behind it all is something very powerful, hyper-intelligent and not human that transcends time as we know it.

Anyone who believes such is already coming from a faith-based position, eh? It can be intellectually defended of course--you do so very well--but once we posit a non-human intelligence orchestrating history we are entering the realm of faith.

Been kind of hectic for me lately but I wanted to get back here and bounce it around some more---so I hope the above thoughts are coherent enough as clunky as they are and that your Saturday is like Saturdays should be.

a reply to: The GUT


I starting to think that the legends in the Bible are even much older and have survived different cycles on earth.

I suspect there's much more to our history than what we are being taught.

And if history predates the current theological narrative even though they are interwoven then I suspect we are somewhat of a cargo cult, while the upper echelons of society still has a line of communication with whatever it is on the other side of the curtain.

I draw that conclusion based upon my belief that certain technologies has been reverse engineered as well as through reading about the gods and their epic sky battles in the mythologies of civilizations long gone.

I suspect the good vs evil concept either comes from competing factions or perhaps even different advanced alien races, and maybe even both.

Have a good one.