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I just hope they will be able to tweak a vaccine that works.
originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
Cdc lies. Give me a double blind study then I will get back to you. They should be disbanded for corruption.
Dec. 31, 2022, 7:07 AM CST
By Akshay Syal, M.D.
A new version of omicron has taken hold in the U.S., according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The subvariant of omicron, named XBB.1.5, has raised concerns about another potential wave of Covid cases following the busy holiday travel season.
The CDC projected Friday that about 40% of confirmed U.S. Covid cases are caused by the XBB.1.5 strain, up from 20% a week ago. In the Northeast, about 75% of confirmed cases are reported to be XBB.1.5.
It’s not clear yet where this version of omicron came from, but it appears to be spreading quickly here. There’s no indication it causes more severe illness than any other omicron virus, Dr. Barbara Mahon, director of CDC’s Coronavirus and Other Respiratory Viruses Division, told NBC News.
originally posted by: network dude
good news is, if you get vaccinated, you will still pass this on, still get it, but you will get less sick than you would have, had you not been vaccinated. And please don't ask how that's measured.
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originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: network dude
good news is, if you get vaccinated, you will still pass this on, still get it, but you will get less sick than you would have, had you not been vaccinated. And please don't ask how that's measured.
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It's measured statistically. You look at a large number of individuals who got infected without being vaccinated, you match them demographically by age, sex, and other relevant variables to a group who got infected after getting vaccinated and compare their outcomes. If the vaccinated group has a significantly lower percentage of hospitalizations and/or deaths then that shows that vaccination had a positive effect on the population.
Here's a data base that shows exactly that comparison:
ourworldindata.org...~50%2B
Look at the comparison from July 23, 2002. The death rate per 100,000 of the unvaccinated was 10.62. For vaccinated and boosted it was 0.93. Being vaccinated and boosted cut your risk of death by a factor of ≈ 10 compared to being unvaccinated.
Even though my case is anecdotal it is entirely consistent with this pattern. I am in an age group and with one or more pre-existing conditions that would make my case mortality rate 140x greater than that of an 18-29 year old. But, I am fully vaxxed and boosted. I tested positive for Covid on Christmas Day. I had mild symptoms that lasted for about 4 days and now I am testing negative. I can't prove that vaccination made the difference in my particular case, but it is entirely consistent with the statistics.
Our World In Data is a project of the Global Change Data Lab, a registered charity in England and Wales (Charity Number 1186433).
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: network dude
good news is, if you get vaccinated, you will still pass this on, still get it, but you will get less sick than you would have, had you not been vaccinated. And please don't ask how that's measured.
......
It's measured statistically. You look at a large number of individuals who got infected without being vaccinated, you match them demographically by age, sex, and other relevant variables to a group who got infected after getting vaccinated and compare their outcomes. If the vaccinated group has a significantly lower percentage of hospitalizations and/or deaths then that shows that vaccination had a positive effect on the population.
Here's a data base that shows exactly that comparison:
ourworldindata.org...~50%2B
Look at the comparison from July 23, 2002. The death rate per 100,000 of the unvaccinated was 10.62. For vaccinated and boosted it was 0.93. Being vaccinated and boosted cut your risk of death by a factor of ≈ 10 compared to being unvaccinated.
Even though my case is anecdotal it is entirely consistent with this pattern. I am in an age group and with one or more pre-existing conditions that would make my case mortality rate 140x greater than that of an 18-29 year old. But, I am fully vaxxed and boosted. I tested positive for Covid on Christmas Day. I had mild symptoms that lasted for about 4 days and now I am testing negative. I can't prove that vaccination made the difference in my particular case, but it is entirely consistent with the statistics.
originally posted by: network dude
ZOMG!! I just had a thought....Fauci retired......what we gonna do now brain?
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: network dude
good news is, if you get vaccinated, you will still pass this on, still get it, but you will get less sick than you would have, had you not been vaccinated. And please don't ask how that's measured.
......
It's measured statistically. You look at a large number of individuals who got infected without being vaccinated, you match them demographically by age, sex, and other relevant variables to a group who got infected after getting vaccinated and compare their outcomes. If the vaccinated group has a significantly lower percentage of hospitalizations and/or deaths then that shows that vaccination had a positive effect on the population.
0.0003% - 0-19yrs
0.003% - 20-29yrs
0.011% - 30-39yrs
0.035% - 40-49yrs
0.129% - 50-59yrs
0.501% - 60-69yrs
Considering that the majority of Australian adults have now had at least one booster, this suggests that the incidence of serious adverse reactions per vaccinated person could be more than 1-in-1000. PEI admits that under-reporting is a problem, and observers suggest that an order of magnitude of under-reporting is not unreasonable to consider (most estimates put underreporting at much worse than this).
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
It soo obvious is not funny anymore, pharma wants to use covid as a permanent way of unstoppable income
originally posted by: quintessentone
originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
Omicron = Moronic
Coincidence?
micronO or irocmon?
Joking aside this is no joke.
All About XBB.1.5 Variant
XBB.1.5 is a new recombinant strain and is both more immune-evasive and better at infecting than BQ.1 and XBB, the virologist said adding that it is not ‘typical Omircon’, but a special recombination mixture variant that is further mutated.
XBB was first identified in India in August. It quickly become dominant there, as well as in Singapore. It has since evolved into a family of subvariants including XBB.1 and XBB.1.5.
Andrew Pekosz, a virologist at Johns Hopkins University, said XBB.1.5 is different from its family members because it has an additional mutation that makes it bind better to cells, reported India Today.
“The virus needs to bind tightly to cells to be more efficient at getting in and that could help the virus be a little bit more efficient at infecting people,” Pekosz said.
Scientists at Columbia University have warned that the rise of subvariants such as XBB could “further compromise the efficacy of current Covid vaccines and result in a surge of breakthrough infections as well as re-infections.”
The scientists described the resistance of the XBB subvariants to antibodies from vaccination and infection as “alarming.” The XBB subvariants were even more effective at dodging protection from the omicron boosters than the BQ subvariants.
www.india.com... -cases-india-latest-updates-5832154/
I just hope they will be able to tweak a vaccine that works.
originally posted by: jerryznv
a reply to: Ophiuchus1
This is great...I hope all you vaccinated feel safe! Remember you got vaccinated so you could feel "safe" or because you were at risk and it was medically necessary (or whatever dumb reason you believed)!
I'm still over here rocking this non-vaccinated sign watching the world burn! Bring on the new strains...I'm sure they'll be new vaccines too for you sheep to try out so don't fret too much yet!