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a reply to: Asmodeus3


So once again you ignore numbers... And you are the one suggesting statistic is so important. You also ignore peer review of the data from the SG.

The interesting part is we both agree younger healthy people do not need the vaccine, but we have different reasons as to why. The difference between you and I is I actually look at both sides and not just beat some stupid narrative over and over.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Asmodeus3


So once again you ignore numbers... And you are the one suggesting statistic is so important. You also ignore peer review of the data from the SG.

The interesting part is we both agree younger healthy people do not need the vaccine, but we have different reasons as to why. The difference between you and I is I actually look at both sides and not just beat some stupid narrative over and over.

No it is you who ignore the facts and the numbers and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.


Let me repeat:

This is a very serious reason for the Department of Health in Florida not to recommend the mRNA vaccines for the 18-39 age group of males. It is now public health recommendation in the State of Florida.

Just as the JCVI committee didn't recommend vaccinations for the 5-11 age group in England

More research is done since then where other age groups could be at more risk from the vaccines than from Covid. The 12-17 age group of boys (seem my thread) is at more risk from myocarditis from the vaccines than getting hospitalised with Covid.

In principle, a very bad idea to release the vaccines to young and healthy people without any testing. If testing was performed we would have known the short, medium and long term effects. As more time passes we will get to know much more.


If you have the knowledge and the expertise you can write to the Department of Health in Florida and explain to them why their decisions are bad. Or you can suggest why the vaccines should be given to 12-17 boys despite the facts that show otherwise.

If you agree that the vaccines should not be released to young and healthy people then you agree with the Department of Health in Florida and with the JCVI committee in England and with all the recommendations against vaccinations for the young and healthy.

The stupid narrative and very dangerous one was to vaccinate everyone and everything. [

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

No it is you who ignore the facts and the numbers and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

Once again, my data is from your links you are using for your facts, so how am I ignoring the facts and the numbers? When I actually pull the data from your emotional based posts you accuse me of ignoring it. You pull titles made to create an emotional response as your proof, and I pull the data...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

No it is you who ignore the facts and the numbers and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

Once again, my data is from your links you are using for your facts, so how am I ignoring the facts and the numbers? When I actually pull the data from your emotional based posts you accuse me of ignoring it. You pull titles made to create an emotional response as your proof, and I pull the data...

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

If you agree the vaccines should not be released to young and healthy people then you agree with the Department of Health in Florida and with the JCVI committee in England and with all the recommendations against vaccinations for the young and healthy groups where the risk outweighs the benefits.

I don't think the recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida is a title based on emotional response. Or the peer reviewed publications that I have linked. There is nothing emotional there.

Other members here have indeed emotionally invested in the vaccines and now see their arguments dismantled one by one by facts and reality.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

No it is you who ignore the facts and the numbers and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

Once again, my data is from your links you are using for your facts, so how am I ignoring the facts and the numbers? When I actually pull the data from your emotional based posts you accuse me of ignoring it. You pull titles made to create an emotional response as your proof, and I pull the data...

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

If you agree the vaccines should not be released to young and healthy people then you agree with the Department of Health in Florida and with the JCVI committee in England and with all the recommendations against vaccinations for the young and healthy groups where the risk outweighs the benefits.

I don't think the recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida is a title based on emotional response. Or the peer reviewed publications that I have linked. There is nothing emotional there.

Other members here have indeed emotionally invested in the vaccines and now see their arguments dismantled one by one by facts and reality.

That's the problem, people's emotions from making the wrong choice override facts and logic. The MSM and big pharma offer the fantasy that they made the right choice no matter how many people die in VAERs and that's a drug itself. But every single day the evidence pours out to contrary and the last year has had countless revelations that could fill many books.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

No it is you who ignore the facts and the numbers and you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

Once again, my data is from your links you are using for your facts, so how am I ignoring the facts and the numbers? When I actually pull the data from your emotional based posts you accuse me of ignoring it. You pull titles made to create an emotional response as your proof, and I pull the data...

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

If you agree the vaccines should not be released to young and healthy people then you agree with the Department of Health in Florida and with the JCVI committee in England and with all the recommendations against vaccinations for the young and healthy groups where the risk outweighs the benefits.

I don't think the recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida is a title based on emotional response. Or the peer reviewed publications that I have linked. There is nothing emotional there.

Other members here have indeed emotionally invested in the vaccines and now see their arguments dismantled one by one by facts and reality.

That's the problem, people's emotions from making the wrong choice override facts and logic. The MSM and big pharma offer the fantasy that they made the right choice no matter how many people die in VAERs and that's a drug itself. But every single day the evidence pours out to contrary and the last year has had countless revelations that could fill many books.

Yes, I don't think there is much doubt about the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines. At least to the people who have read a little and who are not emotionally invested in magical elixirs.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

The million-dollar question is why? Is it because the vaccine is not safe or effective? Or, is it because the virus it not much of anything for that age group. The deal is even through the virus has a higher risk for that age group than the vaccine, both risks are really not big to begin with. The reason why FL did what they did has some political aspects to it since they did not care for peer review that was not positive to their "facts", but they even said why they did it.

The risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.

Both low risks, but both have some risk, so they recommend that age group not get vaccinated. Nothing in the report about the vaccine not being safe and effective.

recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida

You keep using this over and over like you got a death grip on it or something, let it go...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

The million-dollar question is why? Is it because the vaccine is not safe or effective? Or, is it because the virus it not much of anything for that age group. The deal is even through the virus has a higher risk for that age group than the vaccine, both risks are really not big to begin with. The reason why FL did what they did has some political aspects to it since they did not care for peer review that was not positive to their "facts", but they even said why they did it.

The risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.

Both low risks, but both have some risk, so they recommend that age group not get vaccinated. Nothing in the report about the vaccine not being safe and effective.

recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida

You keep using this over and over like you got a death grip on it or something, let it go...

It's not a million dollar question. Doctors have shown the tissue damage from the spike protein which is absent of nucleocapsid proteins (meaning vaccine not virus) that occur in the injections site also show up in other areas of the body like the brain in autopsied victims who were ruled to have died from the vaccine. There is the mechanism of action.

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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You are contradicting yourself. My links clearly show that vaccinations may be not the best route for the young and healthy.

The million-dollar question is why? Is it because the vaccine is not safe or effective? Or, is it because the virus it not much of anything for that age group. The deal is even through the virus has a higher risk for that age group than the vaccine, both risks are really not big to begin with. The reason why FL did what they did has some political aspects to it since they did not care for peer review that was not positive to their "facts", but they even said why they did it.

The risk associated with mRNA vaccination should be weighed against the risk associated with COVID-19 infection.

Both low risks, but both have some risk, so they recommend that age group not get vaccinated. Nothing in the report about the vaccine not being safe and effective.

recommendations from the Department of Health in Florida

You keep using this over and over like you got a death grip on it or something, let it go...

Yes it has been answered several times. The vaccines are not safe and effective. If they were safe and effective we wouldn't be in this mess. Regardless of what you may be thinking the safety standards are always there and when vaccines are not safe and effective they are taken out of the market. The Rotavirus vaccine was taken out of the market in 1999 because of its serious adverse reactions 1 in 10,000. If you want to vaccinate 50 million Americans then you will get 5,000 serious adverse reactions including several deaths. The mRNA Covid vaccines have way more serious adverse reaction with 1 in 800. Do the maths on what happens when you want to vaccinate human population or let's say a large part of the population.

It's time that they are withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations start for this major scandal.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Yes it has been answered several times. The vaccines are not safe and effective. If they were safe and effective we wouldn't be in this mess. Regardless of what you may be thinking the safety standards are always there and when vaccines are not safe and effective they are taken out of the market. The Rotavirus vaccine was taken out of the market in 1999 because of its serious adverse reactions 1 in 10,000. If you want to vaccinate 50 million Americans then you will get 5,000 serious adverse reactions including several deaths. The mRNA Covid vaccines have way more serious adverse reaction with 1 in 800. Do the maths on what happens when you want to vaccinate human population or let's say a large part of the population.

It's time that they are withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations start for this major scandal.

It's not just 1 in 10,000 that drives removal from the market. 10 per 100,000 can be very normal as we see with just aspirin that people 50+ in age take for thinning their blood, so is 10 deaths per 100,000 OK with you or do we take aspirin off the market? OK I'll do the math for you, so you are saying there are 16 million deaths and/or serious injuries from the vaccine?

Withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations are not starting, never will because your numbers are just wrong. No need to argue it back and forth as we are now close to two years with the vaccine and there is nothing out there to support but BS Bitchute doom porn. We will recheck at the end of this year too, OK.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's not out of the realm of possibility...

unfortunately, we will probably never know. While the CDC, WHO, NIH, etc were more than willing to skew death numbers, count every death as a covid death, and trumpet all these deaths 24/7 in scrolling death toll numbers on every major news outlet, they want to blame every vaccine injury/death on anything but the vaccine.

originally posted by: MaxxAction

It's not out of the realm of possibility...

unfortunately, we will probably never know. While the CDC, WHO, NIH, etc were more than willing to skew death numbers, count every death as a covid death, and trumpet all these deaths 24/7 in scrolling death toll numbers on every major news outlet, they want to blame every vaccine injury/death on anything but the vaccine.

You see that is the comeback answer in why do the numbers not support 13 million dead or seriously injured? The Government is hiding the real numbers... This might work for one private company, but we are talking the whole world is hiding the "real" numbers, not just a company here and there, or just the CDC etc, THE WHOLE WORLD.

Or the whole world is not hiding the real numbers and people here and on Bitchute are full of it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Having joined you in many of these anti-vax threads I believe most people just don't know how vaccines work with the body's immune system to kill off the virus' many mutated strains. Confusion reigns high with this topic, on both sides because we don't have definitive and joint agreement from the medical professionals because, IMO, lack of enough studies.

The omicron (B.1.1.529) variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the delta variant. However, omicron appears to cause less severe disease. People who are fully vaccinated can get breakthrough infections and spread the virus to others. But the COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness. This variant also reduces the effectiveness of some monoclonal antibody treatments. Omicron has a few major offshoots (sublineages), including BA.5 and BA.2.12.1. BA.5 made up about 88% of COVID-19 infections that had genetic sequencing in the U.S. in August, 2022, according to the CDC.

www.mayoclinic.org...

From the beginning, the medical professionals were always saying the same thing "Covid-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness" .

We never talk about viral load and how that factors into transmissibility, getting infected and re-infection, severity of illness etc. Again, doctors are unsure and that's why more studies need to be done. The same goes with sanitation, as I notice sanitation has drastically slumped at least in my orbit.

Doctors aren’t sure. Some studies seem to show that it does, but others seem to show less of an effect.

What does seem clear is that people with symptoms of COVID-19 are more contagious. And that the viral load tends to peak in the week after their symptoms first appear.

But, doctors say, that doesn’t always mean that those with the highest viral loads are most contagious. For example, someone with a higher viral load but no symptoms may be less contagious than someone with a low viral load who gets very sick.

www.webmd.com...

If we all could agree on how we perceive the Covid-19 vaccines ( all types! ) to work then we can talk about people's state of their immune systems, in conjunction with comorbidities and other factors, and, of course, adverse reactions from the vaccines, which are just now showing up in studies.

The question then becomes, as you pointed out Xtrozero, how does one weigh getting the vax vs. adverse reaction vs. not getting the vax vs. getting Covid-19 vax'd or unvax'd - and some of the studies coming out now as to how Covid-19 attacks many areas of the body is reason for us to try harder to find data that is peer-reviewed in the fields of science that are expert in finding the answers we need to make informed decisions.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Have you ever known someone who was a compulsive liar??

I have, and pretty soon you learn that they aren't to be trusted.

Now, looking back at all the lies we've been told:

Asymptomatic spread is common: Lie
Hospitals were constantly overrun: Lie
Covid could live on surfaces for 72 hours: Lie
Covid could hang in the air for minutes like a hang glider: Lie
Covid could live on the soles of your shoes: Lie
Masks stop transmission: Lie
MRNA covid vaccines are safe and effective: Lie
Ivermectin will kill you: Lie
Hydroxychloroquine will make your heart stop: Lie
2.5m people in the U.S. would die from covid: Lie

Then figure in all the fake stats, fake deaths, people faking illness for TV interviews, fake pictures of overloaded ERs, and bogus papers, how in the world do you put any trust in any government health organization? To me, that seems much more naive, and maybe stupider than someone who takes the word of an independent researcher or doctor from a website you disapprove of.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Yes it has been answered several times. The vaccines are not safe and effective. If they were safe and effective we wouldn't be in this mess. Regardless of what you may be thinking the safety standards are always there and when vaccines are not safe and effective they are taken out of the market. The Rotavirus vaccine was taken out of the market in 1999 because of its serious adverse reactions 1 in 10,000. If you want to vaccinate 50 million Americans then you will get 5,000 serious adverse reactions including several deaths. The mRNA Covid vaccines have way more serious adverse reaction with 1 in 800. Do the maths on what happens when you want to vaccinate human population or let's say a large part of the population.

It's time that they are withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations start for this major scandal.

It's not just 1 in 10,000 that drives removal from the market. 10 per 100,000 can be very normal as we see with just aspirin that people 50+ in age take for thinning their blood, so is 10 deaths per 100,000 OK with you or do we take aspirin off the market? OK I'll do the math for you, so you are saying there are 16 million deaths and/or serious injuries from the vaccine?

Withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations are not starting, never will because your numbers are just wrong. No need to argue it back and forth as we are now close to two years with the vaccine and there is nothing out there to support but BS Bitchute doom porn. We will recheck at the end of this year too, OK.

1 in 10,000 and 10 in 100,000 is one and the same ratio. Are you confusing basic calculations?

What numbers are wrong?!?!

You probably haven't seen the peer-reviewed publications yet that described the serious adverse reactions to the mRNA Covid vaccines. It's 1 serious adverse reaction to every 800 vaccinees.

You are unable to do the maths as it looks like.
What you have called doom porn is real statistics and not products of someone's imagination. The Swine Flu vaccine was withdrawn for 1 in 100,000 and the Rotavirus vaccine was withdrawn for 1 in 10,000

The 1 in 800 is too high for any vaccine. The withdrawn must come as a result of this simple statistic.

See my other thread.

You question gas been answered: The vaccines are not safe and effective.

There is no need to engage in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: M5xaz
No, those who, in the light of all the deaths from this disease, continue to suggest that the disease itself is benign, advise people to avoid the vaccines (several different ones)

Yes - but none of which have been proven by normal safety testing standards to be safe OR effetive - although it is coming to light that the internal testing that they DID do showed potential massive HARM).

advise others to not wear masks (and to ridicule the mere concept of doing so),

Because even the MSM admits now that all of the garbage 'science' they were relying on to try to claim they were safe or effective has now not only been totally debunked, but has shown that they can be very harmful.?

to advise against social distancing, or any move that has been tried to reduce the spread of the pandemic.

Like destroying our collective businesses and even very lives over a not very dangerous virus (for the vast majority) and more importantly was always destined to become endemic?

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

Royflmao! The Darkside is strong in this one...

But hanging people from lamp posts is purely evil and criminal,

In some cases it would be, but in this case? Not even close. Mass murderers deserve to die in the worst and most public way possible.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Yes it has been answered several times. The vaccines are not safe and effective. If they were safe and effective we wouldn't be in this mess. Regardless of what you may be thinking the safety standards are always there and when vaccines are not safe and effective they are taken out of the market. The Rotavirus vaccine was taken out of the market in 1999 because of its serious adverse reactions 1 in 10,000. If you want to vaccinate 50 million Americans then you will get 5,000 serious adverse reactions including several deaths. The mRNA Covid vaccines have way more serious adverse reaction with 1 in 800. Do the maths on what happens when you want to vaccinate human population or let's say a large part of the population.

It's time that they are withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations start for this major scandal.

It's not just 1 in 10,000 that drives removal from the market. 10 per 100,000 can be very normal as we see with just aspirin that people 50+ in age take for thinning their blood, so is 10 deaths per 100,000 OK with you or do we take aspirin off the market? OK I'll do the math for you, so you are saying there are 16 million deaths and/or serious injuries from the vaccine?

Withdrawn from the market and the legal investigations are not starting, never will because your numbers are just wrong. No need to argue it back and forth as we are now close to two years with the vaccine and there is nothing out there to support but BS Bitchute doom porn. We will recheck at the end of this year too, OK.

1 in 10,000 and 10 in 100,000 is one and the same ratio. Are you confusing basic calculations?

What numbers are wrong?!?!

You probably haven't seen the peer-reviewed publications yet that described the serious adverse reactions to the mRNA Covid vaccines. It's 1 serious adverse reaction to every 800 vaccinees.

You are unable to do the maths as it looks like.
What you have called doom porn is real statistics and not products of someone's imagination. The Swine Flu vaccine was withdrawn for 1 in 100,000 and the Rotavirus vaccine was withdrawn for 1 in 10,000

The 1 in 800 is too high for any vaccine. The withdrawn must come as a result of this simple statistic.

See my other thread.

You question gas been answered: The vaccines are not safe and effective.

There is no need to engage in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

Based on VAERs while using the under reporting factor of 40, serious adverse effects are closer to 7-8% just as the CDCs own V-Safe data shows.

originally posted by: quintessentone

Having joined you in many of these anti-vax threads I believe most people just don't know how vaccines work with the body's immune system to kill off the virus' many mutated strains. Confusion reigns high with this topic, on both sides because we don't have definitive and joint agreement from the medical professionals because, IMO, lack of enough studies.

Many vaccines work very differently, so there is no one definition that a vaccine needs to fit to call it successful or not. Going to Afghanistan I had to get the Rabies vaccine and that was 3 shots over a 6-week period, and all it did was extend the timeline of when you were bit to when you start the treatment. It didn't prevent or cure anything BUT could save your life if you were unable to get the treatment quickly.

The omicron (B.1.1.529) variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the delta variant. However, omicron appears to cause less severe disease. People who are fully vaccinated can get breakthrough infections and spread the virus to others. But the COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness. This variant also reduces the effectiveness of some monoclonal antibody treatments. Omicron has a few major offshoots (sublineages), including BA.5 and BA.2.12.1. BA.5 made up about 88% of COVID-19 infections that had genetic sequencing in the U.S. in August, 2022, according to the CDC.

The takeaway is it is effective at preventing severe illness. I'm 62 had COVID like 2 days, others like me about the same. With everyone I know not vacced 20 years younger they had COVID upwards of 2 weeks and said it was the worse flu they have ever had, pure anecdotal, I know, but it is something I have seen over and over.

From the beginning, the medical professionals were always saying the same thing "Covid-19 vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness" .

We never talk about viral load and how that factors into transmissibility, getting infected and re-infection, severity of illness etc. Again, doctors are unsure and that's why more studies need to be done. The same goes with sanitation, as I notice sanitation has drastically slumped at least in my orbit.

This is where much of the problem lies in the professionals talked crap out their butts for a year and called it science when they were just making wild ass guesses. What do they do when they feel they need to talk every day on this, and they don't have the answers yet as the public demands 24/7 news cycle on it? We end up with the mess we have today where most Americans just do not trust anyone anymore.

Doctors aren’t sure. Some studies seem to show that it does, but others seem to show less of an effect.

What does seem clear is that people with symptoms of COVID-19 are more contagious. And that the viral load tends to peak in the week after their symptoms first appear.

Latest studies I have read is 2 days before symptoms and 3 days after unless you have extended illness then that extends it out throughout the illness phase.

But, doctors say, that doesn’t always mean that those with the highest viral loads are most contagious. For example, someone with a higher viral load but no symptoms may be less contagious than someone with a low viral load who gets very sick.

This is true, it seems the sicker you get the more and longer contagious you are.

If we all could agree on how we perceive the Covid-19 vaccines ( all types! ) to work then we can talk about people's state of their immune systems, in conjunction with comorbidities and other factors, and, of course, adverse reactions from the vaccines, which are just now showing up in studies.

The question then becomes, as you pointed out Xtrozero, how does one weigh getting the vax vs. adverse reaction vs. not getting the vax vs. getting Covid-19 vax'd or unvax'd - and some of the studies coming out now as to how Covid-19 attacks many areas of the body is reason for us to try harder to find data that is peer-reviewed in the fields of science that are expert in finding the answers we need to make informed decisions.

I say this all the time that I do not think everyone needs the vaccine, but I'm not an expert on it all and we still have a long way to go in understanding this virus. I have also said that with every drug known to man there is risk and that needs to be weighed with the illness, and this is why I feel the virus risk is high enough for some people and maybe not for others.