December first UFO's over Wisconsin

a reply to: wavelength

This could be the case, but why?

A rural area in Wisconsin, nobody is claiming to know anything about it (small community) and no permits were taken out to engage in this type of activity which is required.

A hoax to get notoriety in a small town? I'm not sure why anyone would do this.

a reply to: litterbaux
I ment like they might get a permit at a later date too and maybe they just flicked them on to center them.

a reply to: Lichter daraus

Yeah, I get you. I'm falling into the same assumption. Well not exactly. Some kids or some company was playing with some lights and these folks just happen to have caught the show.

I'm glad to see a lot of critical thinking going on in this thread, I thought that was long gone. Thanks for your contributions to the thread.

originally posted by: KKLOCO

I appreciate your compliment.

In response, that’s why I brought up the cloud factor. Are you saying that tech operates better with clouds, mist, fog? In my experience, spotlights are easily exposed with those condition. Like I said, I’m no expert. I learn a lot from you folks!

You're welcome. Love all of this theorizing! It's good to think out of the box. Regarding your question, mist, moisture, haze, etc can all effect the vividness of the beam. Mist/fog can amplify a beam pretty effectively. It depends on the camera, too. Here is a great video of a spot light type "UFO" (it is not on YouTube as far as I know, so I could not embed it): Lights

This is another video of show lights.
No beams here:
People are claiming those were UFOs as well but you can see some comments on YouTube if you click on the video from stagehands and production specialists stating that these are normal show lights from either a concert or an airport. One commenter says he sees them all the time by Niagara falls, they put on a light show daily and the lights follow near identical patterns.

If it was a clear night on the ground, and those are the lowest clouds, it could be spot lights. We only see light beams like you are saying when they have something to reflect off. Hence why hazers are used in light shows.

a reply to: wavelength

If you watch the video from the time I posted, it looks like the trails of the beams are behind, not underneath.

How do you explain that?

Pause at 2:56. The trails even seem to be coming from different directions.

a reply to: wavelength

I'm glad you posted this because I didn't think to look at the trails.

Now I'm even more confused.

originally posted by: wavelength

originally posted by: KKLOCO

I appreciate your compliment.

In response, that’s why I brought up the cloud factor. Are you saying that tech operates better with clouds, mist, fog? In my experience, spotlights are easily exposed with those condition. Like I said, I’m no expert. I learn a lot from you folks!

You're welcome. Love all of this theorizing! It's good to think out of the box. Regarding your question, mist, moisture, haze, etc can all effect the vividness of the beam. Mist/fog can amplify a beam pretty effectively. It depends on the camera, too. Here is a great video of a spot light type "UFO" (it is not on YouTube as far as I know, so I could not embed it): Lights

This is another video of show lights.
No beams here:

People are claiming those were UFOs as well but you can see some comments on YouTube if you click on the video from stagehands and production specialists stating that these are normal show lights from either a concert or an airport. One commenter says he sees them all the time by Niagara falls, they put on a light show daily and the lights follow near identical patterns.

Thanks for posting that for reference. As you can see, the spotlights in the video you posted, are bouncing off of the clouds, partially at their edge. In the video of the OP, you can clearly see the lights elevate, converge, then disappear into the clouds. Clouds are moisture, which is highly reflective. Yet, in the OP video, you can clearly see them go in to the clouds with no reflection from the cloud surface, faintly disappearing after hitting the clouds. What I’m saying is, there is no ground control or contact. These are UAP’s.

a reply to: litterbaux

Most likely this is because of the angle at which the lights are projecting onto the clouds. The spotlights are mounted clustered close together on the ground. They project outward quite a bit to make the pattern we're seeing. Because they are hitting the clouds at an angle (and the clouds themselves are almost never perfectly level, having waves and other undulations), they display a slight "trail".
The trail itself is visible most likely due to the tiny bit of haze/moisture just below the base of the clouds is highlighting what little "beam" is visible, which shows as the trail.

a reply to: wavelength

So you're saying the viewer is looking towards the spotlights which would make the tails vector outward to the viewer.

If that was the case, with this low cloud cover needed to perform this illusion, why don't the points converge to a single point before disappearing? I mean they do, kinda do that but not really at the same time.

a reply to: litterbaux

Bingo! Nailed it. The spotlights are coming from somewhere off in the distance, projected in the direction of the camera.

originally posted by: KKLOCO

Thanks for posting that for reference. As you can see, the spotlights in the video you posted, are bouncing off of the clouds, partially at their edge. In the video of the OP, you can clearly see the lights elevate, converge, then disappear into the clouds. Clouds are moisture, which is highly reflective. Yet, in the OP video, you can clearly see them go in to the clouds with no reflection from the cloud surface, faintly disappearing after hitting the clouds. What I’m saying is, there is no ground control or contact. These are UAP’s.

I see what you're saying, but if you watch their patterns, their motion is all centric to their point of origin (which appears to be off in the distance behind that white post just to the left of the second telephone pole). They don't actually elevate, rather, they spread out. On camera, as the light gets closer, it will appear to be going "up" when it is not. And, as litterbaux says, they converge before disappearing (aka, the light turns off). They're not ascending into the clouds like a flying saucer.

I guess I should add my qualifications. My roommate of 6 years was a spotlight operator and audio engineer for a living.

If anyone knows how to upload a pic, take a pic at 2:56 where the tails are clearly coming from different directions and post. For research purposes. I took a pic and uploaded it but it's not available when I try to insert.

Or teach me how =)

a reply to: litterbaux

Here ya go!



Showing my not-so-scientifically calculated point of origin with the blue. Probably somewhere about a mile away or so.

a reply to: wavelength

Thank you so much!

I'm glad we had this conversation. This makes a lot of sense. Throwing you a few stars and I'll be on my way to other mysteries of the universe. Hehe.

a reply to: litterbaux

You're welcome. Always good to discuss strange lights with a fellow northerner.

Oh man, I just noticed something... look at the lights on the "oncoming vehicle"! They get awfully bright right when the lights project.
Maybe that "vehicle" isn't a vehicle at all, but the origin of the spotlights. D'oh on my part, I just noticed this. I guess my projected "point of origin" is a little off, but it's still in the general area; a bit to the right of the lights themselves.

a reply to: wavelength

Naw, the object on the right side of the screenshot wouldn't have that vector if it was produced by those lights.

It came from where you hypothisized.

If that screenshot is all you had, yes, you could assume it's those lights but we have video. Also if you're really into weird stuff check out The Why Files on YouTube. Good luck sleeping tonight!

a reply to: litterbaux

Ahh, you're probably right. I'm just sitting there second guessing my ultra-high-tech blue line engineering diagram, haha.

I'll go give The Why Files a try. I've heard the name before but I've never given them a look, thanks for the recommendation.

I'm not surprised... The Badger State gets a lot of UFO activity

a reply to: litterbaux
i'm a believer because i've seen a ufo myself... However, in this vid the 2 (head)lights in the top left of the frame betray that the windscreen of the filmer's car is reflecting oncoming traffic. That makes it plausible that the 'foo fighters' are also reflections

Yeah it's basically a disco laser light.

Probably a more industrial variant for a stage show or perhaps one of those newer Christmas laser light shows people shine at their homes which are getting more prolific - bouncing off the low level clouds during part of its cycle when it points upwards.

The mirror at the front of one of these laser lights can rotate to extreme angles and make their beams point all over the place. Some stage lighting is placed at the front of a stage pointing slightly upward, so directly above will definitely fall into the angles capable by the mirror/beam emitter.

Disco lighting is fairly inexpensive and anyone can buy it. No permit needed, though certainly here in the UK if you're blasting a high powered one at the sky and you're not a legit operation you'd definitely get a knock on the door. But that's all...it's not a high crime to own and use disco laser lighting lol...I'm sure it's not a high crime in USA either.

Laser pens, now they're a different story. But what's shining in that video is quite innocuous.