Lost Roman Map has ATLANTIS at Eye of Sahara Africa! (Richat Structure)

The first video that proposed that the Eye of the Sahara was indeed the lost site for the mythical empire/city Atlantis brought up some interesting things to consider about Atlantis. The following video has more details and proof that you may find highly compelling that indeed Atlantis has been found. What is presented makes sense to me and maybe you too.

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a reply to: 727Sky

A favorite subject of mine since I was a teenager!

It does make sense to me, yes.

The idea of North-America rising from the pressure of the glaciers is interesting to ponder. Are there subsisting stories from The whole of the Americas about a disturbing geological event around that time?

There must be traces of the impact it had on the geology.

Also, can't help but wonder about Quetzalcoatl. Was his story as far back? I don't think I've ever heard about his timeline...

a reply to: 727Sky

This was another good one. It makes sense.

I've often wondered where Plato got his facts from.

How Atlantis got on a map when no one had seen it for 9,000 years is beyond me too.

The tale of Atlantis is a story. Why do people always want to make a story into something real. I have to say I'm disappointed in this one.

ETA: I do like having the opportunity to discuss things of this nature, so S&F for you 727Sky.

a reply to: 727Sky

Thank you for uploading something interesting to the site.

I had this theory that the sunken ruin off of Cuba coupled with the ruins of puma punku/Tiahuanaco were the stones on the high altiplano were tossed around as if by a great cataclysm may also be the result of a sudden subsidence on the west coast of part of the US and the Atlantic ocean basin and a simultaneous uplift of the Titcaca region were the sea creatures are basically the same as found off the shore hundreds of miles to the west in the pacific albeit adapted to the fresh water due to the desalination of the lake OR former once sea level fjord over time.

There is evidence that the Amazon for example used to flow west rather than east and during the second world war during flights between south America and western Africa pilots reported seeing what looked like a sunken town or city on the side of a mountain that did not break the water but may once have back during the glacial maximum as well as possibly even having been tipped even deeper down into the sea by such a sea basin subsidence that may have pushed subcrustal magma east toward west Africa causing that land to rise up cataclysmically at about the same time, the dates don't match up though as the estimate for the sunken city off Cuba is about 50.000 years but that is just guesswork and if such a cataclysm occurred not only would it have been more recent perhaps toward the end of the last ice age (Glacial maximum we are really still in the ice age it's called the quaternary glaciation and it's not over yet as we are likely to see a new glacial maximum or several over coming eons, sooner if we are unlucky as it warmed up before they happened).

During these glacial maximum periods sea level can drop two to four hundred feet and perhaps even more and given the isostatic compensation which is simply that when you have a second continent of ice built up on the rocky continents it pushes them down into the crust and causes the subcrustal magma beneath the floating lighter crustal material to move outwards from the depressed areas pushing any other lighter crustal material such as the thinner and now lighter ocean crust upward only for that to them go into reverse when the glaciers melt.

But of course that is always viewed as sedate, in fact it is always cataclysmic at times.

Go to Scandinavia and there are beaches hundreds of feet above sea level that were once at sea level during the glacial maximum which proves that even the 400 feet swing is not enough to account for it so the crustal rebound or isostatic compensation is proven at these sites.

But if during the slow progress of crustal drift the continent of south America for example was to find it's western sea board riding over the remnants of a protocontinent mass which would likely appear as a thicker portion of the pacific crust while simultaneously the isostatic rebalancing act was taking place within the Atlantic whose crust is young and thin then I believe it is reasonable to assume that the entire continental raft of the south American plate or at least great parts of it perhaps toward the equator could have cataclysmically tilted, the eastern sea board would have been pitched into deep water also this motion would have compounded the isostatic compensation by sending a tidal wave of subcrustal magma past the mid Atlantic ridge and under the western African plate causing it to uplift but during this period huge tsunamis would have also washed over both continents and the north American plate and Europe would also have been affected with parts of them sinking as well rising.

Either way I believe that this theory about the Structure is correct, it does indeed match Atlantis very well and the cataclysm would also have sunken sizable amounts of land and many islands within the Atlantic as well.

I personally think this is just one part of a huge global cataclysm that happened at the end of the last ice age or perhaps just before it ended maybe even precipitating it's end by changing ocean current directions etc, note how all those mammoth's suddenly flash froze though that would perhaps push it even further back but not by that much.

(I am actually a creationist so my opinion is that the dating is off anyway and this can also all be explained by the great flood but to me this just proves part of that).

a reply to: Deplorable

Troy was a story till it was found, havent followed it but I know there was an announcement some time ago in the right general area for Sodom and Gomorrah as well, stories about amazon cities that are starting to be found thanks to lidar also.

Just because it was a story doesnt mean it wasnt true, has to be a reason the story persisted.

Also dont look at it as some big super advanced city with fusion etc... just another advanced for its time trading nation then the theory doesnt feel as far fetched.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Deplorable

Troy was a story till it was found, havent followed it but I know there was an announcement some time ago in the right general area for Sodom and Gomorrah as well, stories about amazon cities that are starting to be found thanks to lidar also.

Ah well the Roman's claimed it for their ancestral home and knew where it was. They use to travel to it and visit it

Here are the sources of Roman's who mentioned it:

[1] Lucan, De bello civili 9.966-99. Lucan records the anecdote that as Caesar walked through a patch of grass, one of the locals called out to him: 'They buried Hector there. Take care not to offend his ghost!'

[2] Thus Erskine (2001:248-50).

[3] Austin (1964:216).

[4] Virgil's literary patron was Augustus' close confidant Maecenas.

[5] Elder Pliny, Naturalis historia 5.124.

[6] Vermeule (1995:476, with note 100).

[7] See Vermeule (1995:477), Sage (2000:217-18).

a reply to: Irishhaf

""just another advanced for its time trading nation then the theory doesnt feel as far fetched."


We live on a planet with primitive tribes still existing along side of advanced cultures in today's age.

I am not sure how advanced they were, but what Nation on Earth today will be talked about twelve thousand years from now?

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Deplorable

Troy was a story till it was found, havent followed it but I know there was an announcement some time ago in the right general area for Sodom and Gomorrah as well, stories about amazon cities that are starting to be found thanks to lidar also.

Ah well the Roman's claimed it for their ancestral home and knew where it was. They use to travel to it and visit it

Here are the sources of Roman's who mentioned it:

[1] Lucan, De bello civili 9.966-99. Lucan records the anecdote that as Caesar walked through a patch of grass, one of the locals called out to him: 'They buried Hector there. Take care not to offend his ghost!'

[2] Thus Erskine (2001:248-50).

[3] Austin (1964:216).

[4] Virgil's literary patron was Augustus' close confidant Maecenas.

[5] Elder Pliny, Naturalis historia 5.124.

[6] Vermeule (1995:476, with note 100).

[7] See Vermeule (1995:477), Sage (2000:217-18).

If the Romans only had such few quotes about Troy then is not possible that an even more ancient civilization would have very little if any written history of it.

As for the likely cause of the destruction of Atlantis, most people apparently still tend to ignore the writings of Immanuel Velikovsky.

That was a very interesting video. I assumed that Atlantis was probably a myth until I watched this video. The fact those two maps show Atlantis in almost exactly the same spot is pretty interesting, but then you go onto Google Earth and look at that spot and you find a massive circular formation visible from space. That cannot just be a coincidence, surely.

It actually blew my mind to see how big the formation was, and I don't think there's any other formation like it on Earth. You can also see that entire area has been washed out by a flood or similar disaster. Scientists believe that flooding occurred some time around 12 thousand years ago, which is right around the Younger Dryas period, a time sea levels rose rapidly.

So we know some sort of extreme event occurred at that time, and Atlantis was right in the path of destruction. That does explain a lot of the mythology around Atlantis, the wise leaders who fled Atlantis and sailed to other parts of the world to share their knowledge, most importantly their knowledge about building massive structures like they did in Atlantis.

Scientists seem to believe it's a natural formation caused by erosion, which I guess is possible, but they still haven't fully investigated its origins. But if this was once a city then it's very clear human civilization was once much more advanced than we give them credit for. Wikipedia has a few interesting things to say about the Richat Structure:

Work on dating the structure was done in the 1990s.[12] Renewed study of the formation of the structure by Matton et al. (2005) and Matton (2008) confirmed the conclusion that it is not an impact structure. The circular distribution of ridges and valleys is explained as the formation of cuestas by the differential erosion of alternating hard and soft rock layers uplifted as a dome by an underlying alkaline igneous complex of Cretaceous age.[13]

A 2011 multianalytical study on the Richat megabreccias concluded that carbonates within the silica-rich megabreccias were created by low-temperature hydrothermal waters, and that the structure requires special protection and further investigation of its origin.[14]
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The Richat Structure is the location of exceptional accumulations of Acheulean artifacts.[16][17] These Acheulean archaeological sites are located along wadis that occupy outermost annular depression of this structure. Pre-Acheulean stone tools also have been found in the same areas. These sites are associated with rubbly, outcrops of quartzite that provided the raw material needed for the manufacture of these artifacts.
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The gravelly deposits consist of mixture of slope scree, debris flow, and fluviatile or even torrential flow deposits. The finer grained, sandy deposits consist of eolian and playa lake deposits. The latter contain well-preserved freshwater fossils. Numerous concordant radiocarbon dates indicate that the bulk of these sediments accumulated between 15,000 and 8,000 BP during the African humid period. These deposits lie directly upon deeply eroded and weathered bedrock.[18]

Richat Structure

originally posted by: ConsciousRoots

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Deplorable

Troy was a story till it was found, havent followed it but I know there was an announcement some time ago in the right general area for Sodom and Gomorrah as well, stories about amazon cities that are starting to be found thanks to lidar also.

Ah well the Roman's claimed it for their ancestral home and knew where it was. They use to travel to it and visit it

Here are the sources of Roman's who mentioned it:

[1] Lucan, De bello civili 9.966-99. Lucan records the anecdote that as Caesar walked through a patch of grass, one of the locals called out to him: 'They buried Hector there. Take care not to offend his ghost!'

[2] Thus Erskine (2001:248-50).

[3] Austin (1964:216).

[4] Virgil's literary patron was Augustus' close confidant Maecenas.

[5] Elder Pliny, Naturalis historia 5.124.

[6] Vermeule (1995:476, with note 100).

[7] See Vermeule (1995:477), Sage (2000:217-18).

If the Romans only had such few quotes about Troy then is not possible that an even more ancient civilization would have very little if any written history of it.

Gobekli Tepe, some 370 miles away from Troy and pre-dating it by some 4,000 or 5,000 years, contributed to the development of civilisation. But no examples of writing have been found there.

Returning to Troy: it's likely that the Romans' supposed connection with that city was a fiction, designed to boost their image. In reality, it's more likely that what eventually became Ancient Rome started out as a settlement beside the Tiber.

Many traditional foundation stories like to claim that the founders of such-and-such a place came from afar, a very long time ago. Hence the Romans claiming the Trojans as their ancestors; the English claiming similar descent through their legendary founder, Brutus (Geoffrey of Monmouth; from Nennius); etc. etc.

And it seems that the evidence for Caesar's actually visiting Troy/Ilion is "surprisingly slight." There is no mention by either Strabo, or Caesar himself. And Erskine points out that Lucan was writing poetry, not history, and wasn't above taking a good deal of poetic licence when occasion required: in this case, encouraged by Caesar's mention of having delayed a few days in Asia (Erskine 248-250 [thanks to Hanslune for this source, which I'd not encountered previously).

Troy itself was founded some time in the 4th millennium (depending which layer is in question). There is some evidence of writing from a seal dating to c. 1200 BC, but that's all:

One of the most striking finds from Troy VIIb1 is a hieroglyphic Luwian seal giving the names of a woman and a man who worked as a scribe. The seal is important since it is the only example of preclassical writing found at the site ... V11b

So I don't think it's safe to use the Romans' legendary claims about Troy to draw any particular conclusions about supposed lost civilisations and missing documentary records.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: 727Sky

Thank you for uploading something interesting to the site.

I had this theory that the sunken ruin off of Cuba coupled with the ruins of puma punku/Tiahuanaco were the stones on the high altiplano were tossed around as if by a great cataclysm may also be the result of a sudden subsidence on the west coast of part of the US and the Atlantic ocean basin and a simultaneous uplift of the Titcaca region were the sea creatures are basically the same as found off the shore hundreds of miles to the west in the pacific albeit adapted to the fresh water due to the desalination of the lake OR former once sea level fjord over time.

One instance only. One person claims to have found a seahorse on the bank of Titicaca. A dried-up seahorse.
There are no other creatures in Titicaca that are "basically the same" as in the Pacific. But the entire region is dotted with saline lakes, the origins of which are well understood and do not involve any cataclysm. No doubt there are some kind of saltwater creatures in them, the ones that aren't dried up anyway.

Harte

originally posted by: coamanach
It does make sense to me, yes.

The idea of North-America rising from the pressure of the glaciers is interesting to ponder. Are there subsisting stories from The whole of the Americas about a disturbing geological event around that time?

There must be traces of the impact it had on the geology.

Also, can't help but wonder about Quetzalcoatl. Was his story as far back? I don't think I've ever heard about his timeline...

You might enjoy reading 'The Adam and Eve Story the History of Cataclysms'; there's a free PDF version that I very much enjoyed.

The famous CIA document, finally with a revised, readable and fully digital version. This curious text gained a lot of attention as the 2010's approached their end, and as science finally started to acknowledge the fact that there is a big possibility that the Magnetic Pole Shift can, indeed, be a cataclysmic event that destroys everything, and that this cataclysm might be imminent. A discussion that, for years, was shut down by the use of terms "conspiracy theory" and "pseudoscience", is finally starting to gain the attention it needs; even though it might be too late now. This is only a single part of a vast literature dealing with the subject of Magnetic Pole Shift. We hope this book is read only as the first step on your research on this extremely important topic.
[books.google.com...]

That led me to explore Charles Hapgood's writings on a pole shift, and then James Churchward's writings about the birth of mankind on the lost continent of MU.

None of these are books for the biased or close-minded readers, as they're still considered pseudoscience. You have to be a true conspiracy theorist to enjoy such works.

P.S. Trust the science! (They'll catch up eventually....)

a reply to: 727Sky

Do some digging in the Richat structure.
It's the only way to be sure.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
It actually blew my mind to see how big the formation was, and I don't think there's any other formation like it on Earth. You can also see that entire area has been washed out by a flood or similar disaster. Scientists believe that flooding occurred some time around 12 thousand years ago, which is right around the Younger Dryas period, a time sea levels rose rapidly.

The Richat Structure is one of several known examples of an eroded dome and was absolutely not flooded by any sea level rise associated with the end of the last Ice Age.
Its elevation (400 feet above sea level) is FAR too great, and the distance to the ocean is 300 miles from the site.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrderSo we know some sort of extreme event occurred at that time, and Atlantis was right in the path of destruction. That does explain a lot of the mythology around Atlantis, the wise leaders who fled Atlantis and sailed to other parts of the world to share their knowledge, most importantly their knowledge about building massive structures like they did in Atlantis.

You are mischaracterizing modern speculation from the fringe as mythology. There IS no actual mythology associated with Atlantis, and there IS no story of Atlantean leaders fleeing Atlantis in the only ancient source for the story (Plato's Dialogues "Timaeus" and "Critias.")

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Did Plato lie about Solon and the Scrolls of Aziz?

For me the concentric circles are enough proof that this is indeed the place Plato described. He called it Atlantis and now we have a myopic vision of what Atlantis means; a lone great prehistory civilisation.

But I think there were probably other great cities that may have been part of a single power/culture coexisting. Many of the places that present clues of being Atlantis are the ruins of this global civilisation - just not Atlantic itself. All of these cities probably fell in the same era due to whatever caused a cataclysmic event, or simply climate change.

That particular city described by Plato is imo without too much doubt the eye of Africa.

a reply to: Harte

The Richat Structure is one of several known examples of an eroded dome and was absolutely not flooded by any sea level rise associated with the end of the last Ice Age.
Its elevation (400 feet above sea level) is FAR too great, and the distance to the ocean is 300 miles from the site.

You really have a way of twisting words don't you. I didn't say it was flooded by rising sea levels, I said sea levels rose rapidly during the Younger Dryas period, even faster than they were already rising due to the ice age ending, because something happened in that time period which caused large floods and released a lot of water into the oceans (something probably caused a lot of ice to suddenly melt), and it occurred at the same time all that sedimentary material was dumped across the area.

You clearly didn't see the post I made a week ago analyzing rising sea levels since the end of the last ice age, I'm aware it wasn't submerged by rising seas, but the area was clearly flooded somehow. And I'd like to see another similar structure on the scale of the Richat Structure and with the same symmetry, got any examples to show? I looked and couldn't see any similar examples on the African continent. However, after thinking about this topic a bit more, I think it's certainly possible the Richat Structure is a natural formation and people chose to make it into a city because of the shape.

You are mischaracterizing modern speculation from the fringe as mythology. There IS no actual mythology associated with Atlantis, and there IS no story of Atlantean leaders fleeing Atlantis in the only ancient source for the story (Plato's Dialogues "Timaeus" and "Critias.")

Once again you are misinterpreting my words. I was referring to the mythology about the wise leaders who sailed around the world after the Great Flood, the myths which are shown in Graham Hancock's recent Netflix show. I was saying it would make sense for those people to come from Atlantis if it did get destroyed by a large flood, not that they are said to be from Atlantis in the mythology, although it wouldn't surprise me if some ancient myths do say that.