I knew it :(vaccine related hearing loss)...

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: rickymouse

My jabbed sister-in-law has just started to have heart palpitations, she phoned the doctor for an appointment and was told unless she went private the wait to see the cardiologist would be a year so they went private and had an immediate appointment. I just shut up and am keeping my fingers crossed for her. So it looks like unless you can afford a private doc you have to treat yourself.

Respect to you for biting your tongue.

I've had to do it a few times now.

a reply to: MaxxAction
According to this: COVID-19 and hearing loss - Studies indicate sudden hearing loss is possible—but rare—after infection or vaccination
So it would seem vax or natural immunity, some people are just SOL.

a reply to: MaxxAction

I have read a lot of these reports, thanks for posting. It's good to get confirmation from a professional.

As you know, it's still better then not being vaccinated.

a reply to: daskakik

The word "rare'" is getting bandied about such that whatever they are referring to as no longer that.

originally posted by: anonentity

New Zealand. Even getting a Doctors appointment is a slow business. The health service is under great pressure.

Places like France and other heavy socialized healthcare have been having issues for a good while, years. Its not that affordable for the country as a whole and so cuts happen and major delays are the norm, so it isn't so much the pandemic or the view the vaccine is putting more people in the hospital.

a reply to: GopiGrl
My point was really more geared at pointing out, regardless of how rare this is, that the people who are predisposed to suffer from some of the side effects of the vaccines were probably going to have trouble from natural exposure anyway. It is a lose-lose for them either way.

Still, I disagree, the article in the OP says 6.66 in 100,000.

I think that fits the definition of rare without the need to redefine.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

You should go talk to the victims on the react19 or covidvaccinevictims forums and tell them they are all lying.

Your words not mine....

I'm just suggesting if the vaccine causes every disease in the books then there should be people with dozens at a time, maybe 100s. I'm not commenting on whether people have issues with the vaccine, I'm just commenting on your never ending over the top fear porn.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

You should go talk to the victims on the react19 or covidvaccinevictims forums and tell them they are all lying.

Your words not mine....

I'm just suggesting if the vaccine causes every disease in the books then there should be people with dozens at a time, maybe 100s. I'm not commenting on whether people have issues with the vaccine, I'm just commenting on your never ending over the top fear porn.

This is analogous to you saying there weren't many jews dying during world War 2 and its a "conspiracy theory," and that's on a much smaller scale.

Saying hitler was killing jews is "doom porn."

It doesn't matter whether it's hearing loss, or myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attacks, strokes, autoimmune disorders, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia, allergic reactions, and a range of other in a very long list.

Everything seems to be 'rare' and 'mild' according to the vaccine apologists, denialists of reality, and defenders of the pharmaceutical companies.

a reply to: daskakik

Most of these institutions draw their funding from the pharma giants...

they will ALWAYS say something like that in their papers, at least until the numbers are so high you couldn't be a reasonable person and believe it to be "Rare."

a reply to: MaxxAction
It is your source.

Also, where are you going to get numbers from if not from some a group like this or the opposing side pulling numbers from who knows where?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It doesn't matter whether it's hearing loss, or myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attacks, strokes, autoimmune disorders, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia, allergic reactions, and a range of other in a very long list.

Everything seems to be 'rare' and 'mild' according to the vaccine apologists, denialists of reality, and defenders of the pharmaceutical companies.

It's all super rare even though its happening with extreme frequency.


Cannot maths.

a reply to: daskakik

I don't care as long as it's real...

EVERY paper I have read about some horrible potential side effect of this vaccine, it is like they have to pay homage to the Pharma Gods by saying something about how many lives have been saved by the vaccine, even though they're writing a paper about death from myocarditis, or blood clots, or whatever. Weird.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
Diamonds are found frequently but that doesn't mean they are not rare.

Maybe you cannot grasp what rare means.

a reply to: MaxxAction
It is still your source and it says what it says.

a reply to: MaxxAction

The most ludicrous ever association is unvaxxed individuals and higher rates of road accidents which has been covered in another thread.

A vaccine may cause hearing loss or tinnitus or whatever. But how being vaxxed protecting someone from road accidents. I wonder how this paper made it through the peer-review process....

But the peer-review process has been corrupted long time ago. Especially in the biomedical sciences.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
This is analogous to you saying there weren't many jews dying during world War 2 and its a "conspiracy theory," and that's on a much smaller scale.

Saying hitler was killing jews is "doom porn."

Well no it is not as there is proof of millions of dead Jews. We all do understand there are risks with the vaccine, risks with every drug known to man, and that is why we all agree the mandates were about the the most bat sh!t crazy thing they could have done since the low risks of the vaccine was not worth the low risks of the virus for many healthy age groups, but it was for some. In other words, why use any drug you do not need to use.

If you want an analogy here it would be like ALL of us knowing that swimming with sharks is a danger and then you come along to prove that point by saying million of people are eaten by sharks every year.

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: daskakik

I don't care as long as it's real...

EVERY paper I have read about some horrible potential side effect of this vaccine, it is like they have to pay homage to the Pharma Gods by saying something about how many lives have been saved by the vaccine, even though they're writing a paper about death from myocarditis, or blood clots, or whatever. Weird.

Spot on!

Let's say someone dies from myocarditis due to vaccination. Or let's say he/she gets seriously injured from the vaccines. The authors describe the injury and the cause analytically but they almost never forget to remind the audience of how safe and effective the vaccines are. As if they are in a delusional state.

But we don't have always to assume that they pay homage to the big pharma. They may have to do so in order to survive given their professions, funding, etc.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It doesn't matter whether it's hearing loss, or myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attacks, strokes, autoimmune disorders, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia, allergic reactions, and a range of other in a very long list.

Everything seems to be 'rare' and 'mild' according to the vaccine apologists, denialists of reality, and defenders of the pharmaceutical companies.

This is the issue here. What people do is take the x per million and suggest x per 100 to over emphasis their point. One person here keeps saying 7% of people who get the vaccine have serious issues, as example. The reality is they do not need to do that because when we see something like 100 per million doctors and scientist take notice, so there is no need to inflate it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
It doesn't matter whether it's hearing loss, or myocarditis, pericarditis, heart attacks, strokes, autoimmune disorders, thrombosis with thrombocytopenia, allergic reactions, and a range of other in a very long list.

Everything seems to be 'rare' and 'mild' according to the vaccine apologists, denialists of reality, and defenders of the pharmaceutical companies.

This is the issue here. What people do is take the x per million and suggest x per 100 to over emphasis their point. One person here keeps saying 7% of people who get the vaccine have serious issues, as example. The reality is they do not need to do that because when we see something like 100 per million doctors and scientist take notice, so there is no need to inflate it.

You don't know about the exact percentages given that whether emenates from the establishment cannot be trusted. There needs to be an independent investigation as well as a legal investigation on the number of deaths and vaccine injuries.

The 'rare' and 'mild' explanations are not very believable as they have no evidence attached on them and are usually emenating from the establishment or from vaccine apologists and denialists of reality.