Boys aged 12-17 more at risk from myocarditis after Pfizer jab than Covid

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: igloo

None of the young people, who are most at risk from these shots,

No, no they don't. If you'd watched Trump's whitehouse briefings you'd know that the main reasons for children being vaxxed was to reach herd immunity, not because of the benefits provided by individual immunity.

Of course, the actual risk level is minimal. Most just get mild cold or flu like symptom for a couple of days. Which is pretty common with vaxes. The greatest risk is mild heart inflammation. The actual risk factor is 0.002 percent, and the recommended resolution is simply bed rest for 3-5 days.

So the risk is marginal at best.

if we choose to do the same deep dive into a subject and come out with understanding. Modern society with internet has made this possible.

The difficulty come in that the internet is full of people who are willing to take advantage of the simple fact that most people know very little about the subject matter, in order to gain clicks or subs, or in some cases to sell them fake remedies.

You are perfectly welcome to "do your own research", but you might come out less informed rather than more.

This isn't a new thing, just look at all of the people who buy fuel savers that supposedly give them 300mpg, or who buy those anti-5G devices. It's perfectly possible to put together an authoritative sounding document with flashy graphs and scary sounding phrases, and yet be speaking gibberish.

I've lost track of how many people on this site have fallen for hoaxes over the last couple of years.

Is it your job to track and chastise those who you feel have fallen for hoaxes? What does it matter? Obviously some stuff is simply stupid and people fall for it. That's their learning curve.

More importantly, young people shouldn't be vaccinated for herd immunity in this case. It's simply an unknown. Not enough time passed to guarantee safety. They are the future, not the ancients like myself, some of whom would gladly through innocent youngsters under the bus for the illusion of saving granny.

You might think it "mild" myocarditis but would you risk your child with this vaccine? If they missed their final exams, or wedding, or had to be on heart meds for life because you wanted to save granny does that make it ok?

I simply disagree with the approach that was taken, when young people really faired well with covid for the most part. I have a huge issue with an older generation so selfish they would do this to the youngsters in order to save their own hides. Or as it turned out, the illusion of safety. What the medical system did on the whole was, to my mind, wrong. Not something I read on the internet, but a feeling that something was wrong, coercive and propaganda obvious from day one of this massive scam.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You want kids to get injected with these products when the risk outweigh the benefit??

If you read the OP's source and the sources in my signature, you'll see that the risk is less than 0.002 percent. And even then it's the risk of something that require bed rest to get over.

And I don't remember ever advocating for kids to be vaxxed, but that's just the kind of argument that I'd expect a Brandon loving gun grabber to make.

Did you say herd immunity?! Is this argument around 2 years old? Get vaccinated to protect yourself and the others around you so we can contribute towards herd immunity.

And they're not wrong. The entire reason that covid has caused so many problems is that there wasn't widespread immunity to it.

You can not get herd immunity with a product that doesn't prevent transmission and Infection.

The word that you're looking for here is "reduce". Here's a source ((Link)

Everyone gets infected and rather easily with the new variants.

But the vaxxed get sick at a lower rate, and have shorter periods of sickness. They're also significantly less likely to be seriously sick. Same goes for people with natural immunity.

What you don't seem to understand is that people are on here bringing an alternate view to what the mainstream has been saying. They never believed the mainstream sources to be telling the truth and yet... you keep pushing the mainstream narrative/agenda. We are here discussing this because we don't believe you/mainstream. It's not personal. We just feel there is more to what we're being told.

Reiterating that myocarditis is mostly mild doesn't change the ethical problem of coercing people with shots.
Reiterating that vaxxed get sick at a lower rate doesn't change the fact that hardly anyone got serious covid, if you factor in the whole population, thus a vaccine was unnecessary.
Reiterating the mainstream ad infinitum doesn't change the fact we never believed in it and are not going to.

You are welcome to your beliefs and if you think nothing is amiss in society then that's on you. We disagree.

There are facts to support both views but for me all the official sources/fact checkers get cancelled out when you follow the money and tie it back into the WEF/WHO agendas. Our facts led us to our beliefs. Yours led you to yours. We don't want to discuss yours because it is verbatum the stuff that is coming from questionable sources. Official yes, but propaganda.

My apologies to anyone that doesn't want to be included in this "our/we" rant. I understand there are many subtleties but we don't seem to be allowed to discuss freely without being "corrected".

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think that maybe you're confusing me with the federal government.

The reason why children are being vaxxed is to reach herd immunity (and to a certain extent to mollify public opinion). Arguing with me over whether or not this is possible is largely moot, since I'm simply telling you why the government is doing it, not advocating that it should be done.

I repeat, as I've had to do so more time than I should, I'm not involved in vax production, distribution, research, or policy. My field is elsewhere.

Of course, the articles that you're quoting largely depend on there being a large reservoir of covid in the community from which new mutations can arise. AKA, unvaxxed people who don't socially distance. The government thinks that it can vax enough people, and get enough people to socially distance, in order to prevent that from happening.

The articles that you're quoting from are largely out of date. They were based on predictions from the winter of 2021, and their conclusions haven't been born our

If you look at the data from the UK and EU, where herd immunity has largely been achieved, through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity. It's why many places have pretty much zero restrictions, while the US is talking about mask mandates and potentially even lockdowns.

The human immune system is a remarkable thing. The very fact that many people got covid and could be asymptomatic really proves that this was a massive fuss over nothing. The vaccines don't even work for long otherwise they wouldn't keep pushing boosters while natural immunity lasts, or at least impart the info from the prior variants for the body to build on. Our immunity learns as we go. The disease needed to blast through. Maybe the government made a big mistake with it's lockdowns/mandates and shouldn't be trusted. This is a conspiracy site after all.

a reply to: igloo

The claim recently was that young children should be vaccinated to help with herd immunity. That's a very old and false argument that nobody accepts anymore due to the nature of a highly mutating virus.

There wound be no herd immunity but there is very good protection against disease and death from everyone who has been infected and survived primary infection. Yes you can be re-infected with other strains but the chances you get sick or die due to Covid are miniscule. Almost impossible in a few words.

From my sources in the last page

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said


Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

Overall, herd immunity will likely never be achieved with COVID-19. The emergence of variants and the waning immunity after both vaccination and natural infection will mean populations across the globe will always be susceptible to a certain degree

Obviously the establishment will try to spin this to cajole more people in the future to get vaccinated as there is no prospect of herd immunity. But as it seems the booster uptakes are very low and with the exception of the elders and the immune-suppressed, most others don't really care. The vaccination campaign is one of the greatest failures in the history of science and medicine.

It is time for legal investigations into this scandal.

a reply to: igloo

What you don't seem to understand is that people are on here bringing an alternate view to what the mainstream has been saying. They never believed the mainstream sources to be telling the truth and yet... you keep pushing the mainstream

The mainstream view isn't always wrong.

Reiterating that myocarditis is mostly mild doesn't change the ethical problem of coercing people with shots.

Sorry, but that's the moral equivalent of telling me that I should hand over all of my guns to Brandon because there's a ridiculously small chance that a random child might shoot themselves with one of them.

The bigger ethical problem is with people comparing the risk of mild sickness from the vax with the risk of serious sickness form covid.

Now, what was that you were saying about my gun concealed carry making you feel unsafe?

a reply to: igloo

The very fact that many people got covid and could be asymptomatic really proves that this was a massive fuss over nothing.

It's killed over 6 million people. Some kind of fuss is clearly justified.

The vaccines don't even work for long

Immunity lasts a lifetime (Jot strictly true, but ...), it's anti-bodies that don't last that long. The boosters aren't to increase immunity, they're to boost anti-body production so that your immediate response to covid is stronger.

Maybe the government made a big mistake with it's lockdowns/mandates and shouldn't be trusted. This is a conspiracy site after all.

In the western world, most of the lockdowns came in response to public pressure, or pressure from opposition politicians.

Do you really think that they wanted to destroy their own economies and to spend all of that money propping them up?

a reply to: igloo

The very fact that many people got covid and could be asymptomatic really proves that this was a massive fuss over nothing.

It's killed over 6 million people. Some kind of fuss is clearly justified.

The vaccines don't even work for long

Immunity lasts a lifetime (Jot strictly true, but ...), it's anti-bodies that don't last that long. The boosters aren't to increase immunity, they're to boost anti-body production so that your immediate response to covid is stronger.

Maybe the government made a big mistake with it's lockdowns/mandates and shouldn't be trusted. This is a conspiracy site after all.

In the western world, most of the lockdowns came in response to public pressure, or pressure from opposition politicians.

Do you really think that they wanted to destroy their own economies and to spend all of that money propping them up?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: igloo

What you don't seem to understand is that people are on here bringing an alternate view to what the mainstream has been saying. They never believed the mainstream sources to be telling the truth and yet... you keep pushing the mainstream

The mainstream view isn't always wrong.

Reiterating that myocarditis is mostly mild doesn't change the ethical problem of coercing people with shots.

Sorry, but that's the moral equivalent of telling me that I should hand over all of my guns to Brandon because there's a ridiculously small chance that a random child might shoot themselves with one of them.

The bigger ethical problem is with people comparing the risk of mild sickness from the vax with the risk of serious sickness form covid.

Now, what was that you were saying about my gun concealed carry making you feel unsafe?

You are trying to peddle again some rubbish mainstream propaganda and a range of claims that have been refuted repeatedly over the last three years.

Yesterday you were claiming that young boys 12-17, who are at higher risk from the vaccines than Covid, have to be vaccinated so to achieve herd immunity.

I gave you several links but even without links you can't even use common sense. What do you think will happen when the vaccines cannot prevent transmission and infection and when new very infectious variants are emerging frequently?

Anyway this is a reminder from the sources above

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

Overall, herd immunity will likely never be achieved with COVID-19. The emergence of variants and the waning immunity after both vaccination and natural infection will mean populations across the globe will always be susceptible to a certain degree

a reply to: igloo

What does it matter?

It matters because hoaxes generate fear and doubt, and propagate ignorance. Just look at the harm that's been done by hoaxes involving well known vax that have been confirmed as safe with decades of use.

young people shouldn't be vaccinated for herd immunity

It's actually the best time, young people produce stronger immune responses that can protect them into adulthood.

Not enough time passed to guarantee safety.

It's been two years, that's more than enough time. Most dangerous reactions happen within days for most other vaxes.

but would you risk your child with this vaccine?

Yes, children and grandchildren, because I don't believe that there are any significant risks.

If they missed their final exams, or wedding

Then don't take it just before those events.

or had to be on heart meds for life

The form of myocarditis that the vax can cause doesn't do this.

coercive and propaganda

This was actually their plan B. Plan A was to appeal to people's reason using scientific data and statistics, but the anti-vaxxers got there first with hoaxes and caused so much fear and doubt that people didn't want to get vaxxed.

Just remember this, it was TRUMP who put in place Warpspeed which got America the vax, this was supposed to be his triumph, but the liberal backed CDC and other bodies delayed it so that it wasn't on general distribution until after the elections.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You are trying to peddle again some rubbish mainstream propaganda and a range of claims that have been refuted repeatedly over the last three years.

Not that you've been able to provide a single reliable source to refute me, just bitchute videos from chiropractors, homeopaths and assorted nobodies.

you were claiming that young boys 12-17, who are at higher risk from the vaccines than Covid,

If you go back and read the OP's source, it doesn't say that. What it says is that there is a statistically higher chance of a mild reaction tot he vax than to a serious reaction to covid.

There is a greater "risk", but the level of "harm" done is lower.

I gave you several links but even without links you can't even use common sense.

And yet the country with the most successful vax program - The UK - achieve herd immunity last summer through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

Or do you claim that the UK doesn't exist now?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You are trying to peddle again some rubbish mainstream propaganda and a range of claims that have been refuted repeatedly over the last three years.

Not that you've been able to provide a single reliable source to refute me, just bitchute videos from chiropractors, homeopaths and assorted nobodies.

you were claiming that young boys 12-17, who are at higher risk from the vaccines than Covid,

If you go back and read the OP's source, it doesn't say that. What it says is that there is a statistically higher chance of a mild reaction tot he vax than to a serious reaction to covid.

There is a greater "risk", but the level of "harm" done is lower.

I gave you several links but even without links you can't even use common sense.

And yet the country with the most successful vax program - The UK - achieve herd immunity last summer through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

Or do you claim that the UK doesn't exist now?

That is clearly denialism of the facts. Are you trying to play with the words 'risk' and 'harm'. You seem to be in compete denial which is to be expected as you don't seem to understand any of the concepts involved.

'Or do you claim that the UK doesn't exist now'

Strawman!! Never made any such claims.

What??? The UK has achieved herd Immunity???
Any source for this??

You may have ignored the earlier sources

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

Overall, herd immunity will likely never be achieved with COVID-19. The emergence of variants and the waning immunity after both vaccination and natural infection will mean populations across the globe will always be susceptible to a certain degree

And for the UK which doesn't seem to have superpowers the situation is just as in other countries.


inews.co.uk...

Herd immunity ‘will never be reached’ in the UK but Covid-19 vaccine protection is enough

That's written in July of last year and in complete contradiction with what you claimed. And in complete contradiction to what is known now after 3 years of Covid.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Are you trying to play with the words 'risk' and 'harm'.

Playing no, explaining, yes.

When you vax a kid there is a slight risk of something that would cause mild harm.

If a kid gets covid, there is lower risk of something that would cause greater harm.

I could put this into a mathematical equation for you if that would make you feel better.

You may have ignored the earlier sources

I've read them, and disagreed with the science behind them. They're also out of date. The UK achieved herd immunity after they were published through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

in complete contradiction with what you claimed.

So ... you're quoting the MSM at me as an unimpeachable source?

Does that mean that you're pushing the mainstream agenda, and that I'm the plucky outsider disputing the narrative?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Are you trying to play with the words 'risk' and 'harm'.

Playing no, explaining, yes.

When you vax a kid there is a slight risk of something that would cause mild harm.

If a kid gets covid, there is lower risk of something that would cause greater harm.

I could put this into a mathematical equation for you if that would make you feel better.

You may have ignored the earlier sources

I've read them, and disagreed with the science behind them. They're also out of date. The UK achieved herd immunity after they were published through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

in complete contradiction with what you claimed.

So ... you're quoting the MSM at me as an unimpeachable source?

Does that mean that you're pushing the mainstream agenda, and that I'm the plucky outsider disputing the narrative?

I am not just quoting the MSM!! I am saying that even the MSM accepts there would be no herd immunity cancelling the initial pseudo-philosophies in relation to herd immunity via mass vaccinations. They have cancelled themselves if you have realised it.

And there is no need to quote anyone as long as you have common sense and know the basics in infectious diseases. How can you get herd immunity with crippled vaccinations and with new highly infectious variants?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

What is your acceptable number of kids dying from the vaccination?

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
a reply to: AaarghZombies

What is your acceptable number of kids dying from the vaccination?

The most important question is would you give these potentially hazardous products to children who have miniscule risk from Covid and when it is more than clear 12-17 boys are at more risk from the vaccines than hospitalised from Covid. This is madness.

The idea about herm.immunity propagated above has been debunked long time ago. There is no herd immunity.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The UK achieved herd immunity after they were published through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

I don't think that the UK has officially reached herd immunity.....unless you can show me a link that says they did?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The UK achieved herd immunity after they were published through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity.

I don't think that the UK has officially reached herd immunity.....unless you can show me a link that says they did?

I have already answered his claim which is false and even the mainstream accepts. But there is no need to refer to publications. How on Earth there could be herd immunity with a rapidly mutating and very infectious virus and with a crippled vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission and infection??


Here are some of the quotes from the sources I provided above.

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

Overall, herd immunity will likely never be achieved with COVID-19. The emergence of variants and the waning immunity after both vaccination and natural infection will mean populations across the globe will always be susceptible to a certain degree

And for the UK which doesn't seem to have superpowers the situation is just as in other countries.

Herd immunity ‘will never be reached’ in the UK but Covid-19 vaccine protection is enough

It is the most debunked argument among the many the establishment tried to propagate. Same arguments are used by vaccine apologists and lockdown advocates.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
You then claimed this information is outdated.
First piece is from August 2021 and the second from April 2022.

That's especially funny considering half his sig links are from 2021.

The vaccine cult has made a cottage industry out of hypocrisy.

Anything he links you to that's older than 8 months, just tell him it's outdated and can be disregarded. That's his standard, after all.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
You then claimed this information is outdated.
First piece is from August 2021 and the second from April 2022.

That's especially funny considering half his sig links are from 2021.

The vaccine cult has made a cottage industry out of hypocrisy.

Anything he links you to that's older than 8 months, just tell him it's outdated and can be disregarded. That's his standard, after all.

It's not just a source that might be outdated. Some information may never become outdated but the problem here is common sense. Not everyone has lost common sense and not everyone is a layman.
How can you have herd immunity when one variant appears after the other being highly infectious when at the same time we have a crippled vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission and infection. Are we serious they herd immunity with be achieved??

Herd immunity has been debunked long time ago. It was a trick to cajole people to get vaccinated to protect granny.

a reply to: face23785

And from another thread since we have been exposed multiple times to different variants this information is the most vital from all


www.science.org...

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine

It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”

No reason why young and healthy people should put themselves in danger with an experimental, untested, and potentially hazardous product. There is a much better solution which confers much better protection and no need to queue every 3-4 months to get jabbed with Pfizer's or Moderna's products