Boys aged 12-17 more at risk from myocarditis after Pfizer jab than Covid

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You want kids to get injected with these products when the risk outweigh the benefit??

If you read the OP's source and the sources in my signature, you'll see that the risk is less than 0.002 percent. And even then it's the risk of something that require bed rest to get over.

And I don't remember ever advocating for kids to be vaxxed, but that's just the kind of argument that I'd expect a Brandon loving gun grabber to make.

Did you say herd immunity?! Is this argument around 2 years old? Get vaccinated to protect yourself and the others around you so we can contribute towards herd immunity.

And they're not wrong. The entire reason that covid has caused so many problems is that there wasn't widespread immunity to it.

You can not get herd immunity with a product that doesn't prevent transmission and Infection.

The word that you're looking for here is "reduce". Here's a source ((Link)

Everyone gets infected and rather easily with the new variants.

But the vaxxed get sick at a lower rate, and have shorter periods of sickness. They're also significantly less likely to be seriously sick. Same goes for people with natural immunity.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Long term effects take 10 years to manifest.

And you know this how?

The CDC V-safe data showed a 7% rate of severe adverse effects.

Link, please.

Do you understand what "serious" means?

If 7 percent of all vaxxed people had "serious" side effects the effect on the economy would be apocalyptic purely through the increased number of unproductive manhours.

As I showed you earlier, if 7 percent of people really did have serious side effects Amazon alone would loose somewhere between 1.4 and 2.8 million manhours of labor. A loss of that magnitude would drop their stock value like a brick. And yet ... nothing.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You want kids to get injected with these products when the risk outweigh the benefit??

If you read the OP's source and the sources in my signature, you'll see that the risk is less than 0.002 percent. And even then it's the risk of something that require bed rest to get over.

And I don't remember ever advocating for kids to be vaxxed, but that's just the kind of argument that I'd expect a Brandon loving gun grabber to make.

Did you say herd immunity?! Is this argument around 2 years old? Get vaccinated to protect yourself and the others around you so we can contribute towards herd immunity.

And they're not wrong. The entire reason that covid has caused so many problems is that there wasn't widespread immunity to it.

You can not get herd immunity with a product that doesn't prevent transmission and Infection.

The word that you're looking for here is "reduce". Here's a source ((Link)

Everyone gets infected and rather easily with the new variants.

But the vaxxed get sick at a lower rate, and have shorter periods of sickness. They're also significantly less likely to be seriously sick. Same goes for people with natural immunity.

If they have read what I said nobody would agree to get vaccinated with a product where the risks outweigh the benefits. You have to be mad.

There is no herd immunity from these vaccines that neither prevent transmission nor infection. And they don't reduced significantly either of them.

So no, your argument is clearly wrong.

www.livemint.com...

Covid herd immunity not possible during our lifetimes. Expert explains why

a reply to: Asmodeus3

nobody would agree to get vaccinated with a product where the risks outweigh the benefits.

I think that you're confusing the word "risk" with the word "harm". There is a 0.002 percent chance of something happening that does almost zero harm with the vax.

The symptoms are mostly just a slight shortness of breath and palpitations. It feels like mild anxiety.

There is no herd immunity from these vaccines that neither prevent transmission nor infection. And they don't reduced significantly either of them.

Sources in my signature show otherwise, they also substantially reduce the risk of serious sickness, and are you seriously trying to counter my peer reviewed scientific paper with a blog entry from India?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

nobody would agree to get vaccinated with a product where the risks outweigh the benefits.

I think that you're confusing the word "risk" with the word "harm". There is a 0.002 percent chance of something happening that does almost zero harm with the vax.

The symptoms are mostly just a slight shortness of breath and palpitations. It feels like mild anxiety.

There is no herd immunity from these vaccines that neither prevent transmission nor infection. And they don't reduced significantly either of them.

Sources in my signature show otherwise, they also substantially reduce the risk of serious sickness, and are you seriously trying to counter my peer reviewed scientific paper with a blog entry from India?

There is nothing in your signature to show that vaccines prevent transmission and infection or significantly reduced them. If you have the link and quote the paragraph we can discuss it. But yesterday the links you provided were nothing more than titles with no text, discussion and conclusion.

You claimed that vaccines provide herd immunity and there why young boys have to get vaccinated and despite the fact the risks outweigh the benefits.

1) This is madness

2) Covid herd immunity not possible during our lifetimes. Expert explains why

www.livemint.com...

So no again you are wrong

Double post.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

There is nothing in your signature to show that vaccines prevent transmission and infection or significantly reduced them.

Then you clearly didn't read them.

Link 4 "One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half"
Link 5 "Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates"

This is madness

This is is SPARTA?

Reasons, please

Covid herd immunity not possible during our lifetimes. Expert explains why

A Indian blog entry with cherry picked quotes taken out of context proves ... that an Indian blogger can cherry pick quotes out of context?

As per my previous comment, I don't personally think vaxxing kids is particularly effective, but the government disagrees, as do the parents and kids who put pressure in the CDC to start trials.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

There is nothing in your signature to show that vaccines prevent transmission and infection or significantly reduced them.

Then you clearly didn't read them.

Link 4 "One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half"
Link 5 "Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates"

This is madness

This is is SPARTA?

Reasons, please

Covid herd immunity not possible during our lifetimes. Expert explains why

A Indian blog entry with cherry picked quotes taken out of context proves ... that an Indian blogger can cherry pick quotes out of context?

As per my previous comment, I don't personally think vaxxing kids is particularly effective, but the government disagrees, as do the parents and kids who put pressure in the CDC to start trials.

Link 1 & 2 are useless and say nothing.
The other links think that the transmission and infection can be reduced. But we know that the vaccines do not prevent or significantly reduced transmission and Infection.

If you don't like the link then use common sense. How is it possible to get herd immunity when the vaccines don't provide sterilising immunity themselves. It means you don't understand what herd immunity means. No way you can get herd immunity when the vaccines don't prevent transmission and infection.

And in case not even common sense works here is a newspaper from your country and from a left wing newspaper that serves the establishment well. Even then have realised in what lie they were living.

www.theguardian.com...

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

The mistake you are making is that you think everyone else is a layman when it comes to science and medicine.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Link 1 & 2 are useless and say nothing.

Which was why I directed you towards

Link 4 "One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half"
Link 5 "Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates"

Which you clearly didn't read.

But we know that the vaccines do not prevent or significantly reduced transmission and Infection.

Link 4 and link 5 say otherwise.

How is it possible to get herd immunity when the vaccines don't provide sterilising immunity themselves.

Herd immunity doesn't mean that there is no virus circulating, it means that a sufficient number of people won't get seriously sick if they are infected.

here is a newspaper from your country

I'm not American.

The mistake you are making is that you think everyone else is a layman when it comes to science and medicine.

Given that you didn't understand the difference between Risk and Harm, I'd say that you have a basic high school level understanding of these things at best.

You literally linked me into a blog entry thinking that it was a serious scientific piece. By all means, raise the bar and I'll meet you at whatever level of scientific discourse you set.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Link 1 & 2 are useless and say nothing.

Which was why I directed you towards

Link 4 "One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half"
Link 5 "Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates"

Which you clearly didn't read.

But we know that the vaccines do not prevent or significantly reduced transmission and Infection.

Link 4 and link 5 say otherwise.

How is it possible to get herd immunity when the vaccines don't provide sterilising immunity themselves.

Herd immunity doesn't mean that there is no virus circulating, it means that a sufficient number of people won't get seriously sick if they are infected.

here is a newspaper from your country

I'm not American.

The mistake you are making is that you think everyone else is a layman when it comes to science and medicine.

Given that you didn't understand the difference between Risk and Harm, I'd say that you have a basic high school level understanding of these things at best.

You literally linked me into a blog entry thinking that it was a serious scientific piece. By all means, raise the bar and I'll meet you at whatever level of scientific discourse you set.

So you accept that some of the links you provide are useless! That's good.

The other two links you have nowhere they say vaccines prevent transmission and infection or significantly reduce them. Even if they did then they would be wrong.

Have you rediscovered the definition of herd immunity?!
Given that the vaccines cannot do much in prevention and transmission and that the emerging variants are very infectious then there is no herd immunity.

The newspaper is not American but English.

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

www.theguardian.com...

Look it says herd immunity is impossible.

The blog I linked features Shabir A Madhi, Dean Faculty of Health Sciences and Professor of Vaccinology at University of the Witwatersrand who says

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

So your argument about herd immunity has been refuted

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

There is nothing in your signature to show that vaccines prevent transmission and infection or significantly reduced them.

Then you clearly didn't read them.

Link 4 "One dose of COVID-19 vaccine can cut household transmission by up to half"
Link 5 "Study ties COVID vaccines to lower transmission rates"

This is madness

This is is SPARTA?

Reasons, please

Covid herd immunity not possible during our lifetimes. Expert explains why

A Indian blog entry with cherry picked quotes taken out of context proves ... that an Indian blogger can cherry pick quotes out of context?

As per my previous comment, I don't personally think vaxxing kids is particularly effective, but the government disagrees, as do the parents and kids who put pressure in the CDC to start trials.

The mistake you are making is that you think everyone else is a layman when it comes to science and medicine.

This is so important and ties into the number one abuse of the covid pandemic where science and medicine crossed the ethics line into dictatorship in people's lives. We all have a fundamental right (and responsibility) to educate ourselves about our own health status and make decisions for ourselves.

Our brains are no different than a scientists if we choose to do the same deep dive into a subject and come out with understanding. Modern society with internet has made this possible. Many people who are against the vaccines are well educated, some are actual censored doctors and scientists. Society was brainwashed into thinking that only doctors/scientists can do the thinking for all. That was put in place many decades ago and we pay for it now with our compliance and lack of trust in nature.

People can nitpick for hours over the details but the f'ing stranglehold the medical industry and foundations now have on our individual choices and collective bargaining power is immoral.

None of the young people, who are most at risk from these shots, needed them. They never would have gotten them without massive propaganda that led to peer pressure. No amount of defending the shots can make this damage right. Some of it is physical, but the vast majority of it is psychological and will persist for decades. Part of this damage is the persistent belief that "doctor is right"

I don't downplay the vast amount of knowledge that comes from decades in the field but medical people failed to stand up for their patients in this case. Any GP should have done some research on how new the technology was, the sketchy nature of the pharma participants, the fact the kids were hardly getting covid and insisted on giving it a hard no.

a reply to: igloo

Almost three years into this plandemic, I still wonder where all the bodies are. I can still count on two hands the people I know who got covid, two have multiple severe comorbidities and came through it describing a bad cold. No offense to anyone who lost a loved one, but I'm not seeing it where I live.

On the other hand, I did hear a massive increase in ambulance sirens, spring of 2021, but that must have been the rise in traffic accidents caused by the unvaccinated and their wild ways.

I'm just fascinated by the fact that Alberta's leading cause of death is "unknown"... how scientific.

a reply to: igloo

None of the young people, who are most at risk from these shots,

No, no they don't. If you'd watched Trump's whitehouse briefings you'd know that the main reasons for children being vaxxed was to reach herd immunity, not because of the benefits provided by individual immunity.

Of course, the actual risk level is minimal. Most just get mild cold or flu like symptom for a couple of days. Which is pretty common with vaxes. The greatest risk is mild heart inflammation. The actual risk factor is 0.002 percent, and the recommended resolution is simply bed rest for 3-5 days.

So the risk is marginal at best.

if we choose to do the same deep dive into a subject and come out with understanding. Modern society with internet has made this possible.

The difficulty come in that the internet is full of people who are willing to take advantage of the simple fact that most people know very little about the subject matter, in order to gain clicks or subs, or in some cases to sell them fake remedies.

You are perfectly welcome to "do your own research", but you might come out less informed rather than more.

This isn't a new thing, just look at all of the people who buy fuel savers that supposedly give them 300mpg, or who buy those anti-5G devices. It's perfectly possible to put together an authoritative sounding document with flashy graphs and scary sounding phrases, and yet be speaking gibberish.

I've lost track of how many people on this site have fallen for hoaxes over the last couple of years.

a reply to: AaarghZombies



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Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

www.theguardian.com...

Look it says herd immunity is impossible.



The blog I linked earlier features Shabir A Madhi, Dean Faculty of Health Sciences and Professor of Vaccinology at University of the Witwatersrand who says

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

www.livemint.com...

So your argument about herd immunity has been refuted. Herd immunity cannot be achieved and I don't think anyone has any hopes after 3 years of living with Covid.

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: igloo

Almost three years into this plandemic, I still wonder where all the bodies are. I can still count on two hands the people I know who got covid, two have multiple severe comorbidities and came through it describing a bad cold. No offense to anyone who lost a loved one, but I'm not seeing it where I live.

And that's perfectly normal. Covid has low mortality rate.

The problem isn't individual deaths, it's deaths across the wider community.

America has roughly 47,000,000 seniors.

If 50 percent of them get covid, that's 23,500,000 people

If 1 percent of them die, that's 235,000 people.

That's a pretty terrifying number. It's the equivalent of nuking a small city.

I'm just fascinated by the fact that Alberta's leading cause of death is "unknown"... how scientific.

A better description would be "unknown at the time of publication". Most got a cause later on.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think that maybe you're confusing me with the federal government.

The reason why children are being vaxxed is to reach herd immunity (and to a certain extent to mollify public opinion). Arguing with me over whether or not this is possible is largely moot, since I'm simply telling you why the government is doing it, not advocating that it should be done.

I repeat, as I've had to do so more time than I should, I'm not involved in vax production, distribution, research, or policy. My field is elsewhere.

Of course, the articles that you're quoting largely depend on there being a large reservoir of covid in the community from which new mutations can arise. AKA, unvaxxed people who don't socially distance. The government thinks that it can vax enough people, and get enough people to socially distance, in order to prevent that from happening.

The articles that you're quoting from are largely out of date. They were based on predictions from the winter of 2021, and their conclusions haven't been born our

If you look at the data from the UK and EU, where herd immunity has largely been achieved, through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity. It's why many places have pretty much zero restrictions, while the US is talking about mask mandates and potentially even lockdowns.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think that maybe you're confusing me with the federal government.

The reason why children are being vaxxed is to reach herd immunity (and to a certain extent to mollify public opinion). Arguing with me over whether or not this is possible is largely moot, since I'm simply telling you why the government is doing it, not advocating that it should be done.

I repeat, as I've had to do so more time than I should, I'm not involved in vax production, distribution, research, or policy. My field is elsewhere.

Of course, the articles that you're quoting largely depend on there being a large reservoir of covid in the community from which new mutations can arise. AKA, unvaxxed people who don't socially distance. The government thinks that it can vax enough people, and get enough people to socially distance, in order to prevent that from happening.

The articles that you're quoting from are largely out of date. They were based on predictions from the winter of 2021, and their conclusions haven't been born our

If you look at the data from the UK and EU, where herd immunity has largely been achieved, through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity. It's why many places have pretty much zero restrictions, while the US is talking about mask mandates and potentially even lockdowns.

I see that your arguments have become very desperate. Initially you tried to argue that 12-17 year old boys should get vaccinated so we can achieve herd immunity and despite the fact that the risk outweighs the benefit of vaccination.

Then I pointed out to you herd immunity is impossible and gave you a link which you didn't even read thinking it's an opinion from a random blogger.. But it featured Shabir A Madhi, Dean Faculty of Health Sciences and Professor of Vaccinology at University of the Witwatersrand who said

The world should not have discussion over 'heard immunity' as it is not going to happen, considering the type of coronavirus mutations that have occurred over such a short period of time, an expert has said

Then again a post by Guardian

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

You then claimed this information is outdated.
First piece is from August 2021 and the second from April 2022. This is another refuted claim.

And a third source

www.healthline.com...

Overall, herd immunity will likely never be achieved with COVID-19. The emergence of variants and the waning immunity after both vaccination and natural infection will mean populations across the globe will always be susceptible to a certain degree.

So again your very poor argument doesn't stand.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I think that maybe you're confusing me with the federal government.

The reason why children are being vaxxed is to reach herd immunity (and to a certain extent to mollify public opinion). Arguing with me over whether or not this is possible is largely moot, since I'm simply telling you why the government is doing it, not advocating that it should be done.

I repeat, as I've had to do so more time than I should, I'm not involved in vax production, distribution, research, or policy. My field is elsewhere.

Of course, the articles that you're quoting largely depend on there being a large reservoir of covid in the community from which new mutations can arise. AKA, unvaxxed people who don't socially distance. The government thinks that it can vax enough people, and get enough people to socially distance, in order to prevent that from happening.

The articles that you're quoting from are largely out of date. They were based on predictions from the winter of 2021, and their conclusions haven't been born our

If you look at the data from the UK and EU, where herd immunity has largely been achieved, through a combination of vaxxing and natural immunity. It's why many places have pretty much zero restrictions, while the US is talking about mask mandates and potentially even lockdowns.

The majority of people have already been infected and don't need the vaccine. The whole vaxx to get herd immunity argument (with unlimited boosters forever) is completely false.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

That is junk science spit out by liars and sociopaths...

Herd immunity may have been established before the vaccine push even started. According to several prominent researchers, by introducing this vaccine, that was already behind the curve due to the speed of mutation of corona viruses, and only targeted one aspect or pathway, S1, they insured that we didn't attain herd immunity.

The vaccines very well could have prolonged this much longer than it would have lasted had we done a few ridiculously simple things: Educate people on proper eating, Vitamin D and minerals supplementation for increased immune function, sequestered the old, infirmed, and those with multiple health issues, allowed the use of off label meds for early treatment, and let the world go about it's business. We could have come through this with flying colors if established science and medical S.O.P had been applied. Instead, we got what we got. A total Cluster#.

The Epoch Times has an article : People Died From mRNA-Vaccine-Damaged Hearts, New Peer-Reviewed German Study Provides Direct Evidence

It`s behind paywall but can look cached version too.